Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[yeahcaz]

Literally don’t give a crap what type of person he is. All this carry on about the “type of person to represent my Tigers “ is just rubbish. I want people who can play and are desperate to win. Anything else is a whatever. It’s about winning.
We don’t have a Mr Congeniality award in the NRL.
Is he the best centre around now? No. Is he light years better than anyone else we have in the centres - a resounding yes. Give him a reasonable tight contract with the right incentives or out the door. He’ll straighten up.

So same should go for Flanagan to replace madge

Depends on whether you think Flanagan is a better coach than Madge - in my opinion he’s not.
Also drug cheats are scum. I wouldnt be saying that if Scott had been pinged for drugs.
And I think you know exactly what I mean re not being Choir boys.

Yes I do. Thus clubs dramatic rebuild can be done with a different coach. The game has surpassed Madge, his style doesn’t work anymore.

How would you describe Madges style?

That’s his biggest downfall, he doesn’t have one.

Watch anyone with some footy know how and they all say we have no identity on the field which is true. We’re not a gritty defensive team, nor are we a flashy attacking team.

Maguire has come in known for being a defensive coach and correct me if I’m wrong has us playing some of, if not the worst defence we’ve had in our existence. Now I understand the rules have shifted dramatically in the last 2 seasons but it’s Maguires inability to adapt which is most worrying.

The attack has improved but again, rule changes. We’ve literally outscored some teams in the top 8 but we are bottom 3 in defence. Genuinely believe if he stays next season, will get the spoon. I don’t see any dramatic changes happening in the off season where practically the same squad will just gel defensively


His style is there for all to see.

New rules reward attack and stifle defence. with defence its hard to compare YOY as its bad all round. even then if you are not top 2 you go backwards. blowouts are massive this year

Call me Stevie then because I can’t see it. The attack is a messy and doesn’t look to have any plan or shape to it.

 

[the_third]

Literally don’t give a crap what type of person he is. All this carry on about the “type of person to represent my Tigers “ is just rubbish. I want people who can play and are desperate to win. Anything else is a whatever. It’s about winning.
We don’t have a Mr Congeniality award in the NRL.
Is he the best centre around now? No. Is he light years better than anyone else we have in the centres - a resounding yes. Give him a reasonable tight contract with the right incentives or out the door. He’ll straighten up.

So same should go for Flanagan to replace madge

Depends on whether you think Flanagan is a better coach than Madge - in my opinion he’s not.
Also drug cheats are scum. I wouldnt be saying that if Scott had been pinged for drugs.
And I think you know exactly what I mean re not being Choir boys.

Yes I do. Thus clubs dramatic rebuild can be done with a different coach. The game has surpassed Madge, his style doesn’t work anymore.

How would you describe Madges style?

That’s his biggest downfall, he doesn’t have one.

Watch anyone with some footy know how and they all say we have no identity on the field which is true. We’re not a gritty defensive team, nor are we a flashy attacking team.

Maguire has come in known for being a defensive coach and correct me if I’m wrong has us playing some of, if not the worst defence we’ve had in our existence. Now I understand the rules have shifted dramatically in the last 2 seasons but it’s Maguires inability to adapt which is most worrying.

The attack has improved but again, rule changes. We’ve literally outscored some teams in the top 8 but we are bottom 3 in defence. Genuinely believe if he stays next season, will get the spoon. I don’t see any dramatic changes happening in the off season where practically the same squad will just gel defensively


His style is there for all to see.

New rules reward attack and stifle defence. with defence its hard to compare YOY as its bad all round. even then if you are not top 2 you go backwards. blowouts are massive this year

Call me Stevie then because I can’t see it. The attack is a messy and doesn’t look to have any plan or shape to it.

cal me Stevie is great haha

 

[Needaname]

I note at the time the decision to leave Inglis on the field was compared to the swift action of Bellamy to remove Jess Bromwich from the field after he badly injured his hand. Again I leave it to you to draw your own conclusions on the issue.

I'm sorry, on this one you've completely lost your mind. Comparing a systematic drug, salary cap and ban cheat with the odd injured player. An injured player in no way being consistently applied to Maguire as a coach, or independent of the actions of any other prominent coach.

You point out Craig Bellamy removing Jesse Bromwich, what about Cam Smith playing last year's GF with broken ribs? After he had already spent the previous 2 months taking painkillers for a chronic shoulder injury.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2020-cameron-smith-rib-injury-melbourne-storm-vs-penrith-panthers-grand-final/news-story/07bedde4b11e727cd06f4fb83d89b163

Trent Robinson knowingly played Cooper Cronk with a broken scapula, what the club doctor described as an injury more common to vehicular accidents. Borderlining the amount of anaesthetic they could safely administer.
https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/10/01/how-cooper-cronk-overcame-car-crash-injury-to-win-a-grand-final/
>"Robbo (Roosters coach Trent Robinson) was really calm, he was saying 'If it's negative news I don't want to hear about it, you just have to give him every minute'," Ibrahim said.
>"That fracture is what you see with motorbike accidents and car accidents. It was the width of his scapula – the entire width. Which would have been 15cm. We cut the jersey off at half-time.
>The other thing to note is that it was the maximum dose we could give him. Anything more and it starts playing with your heart. If you give someone too much local anaesthetic their heart goes into a funny rhythm. We gave him 20ml before the match and 15ml at half-time. The maximum we could give him was 45mL.

Tim Sheens knowingly played Pat Richards in the 2005 decider with ankle ligament injuries - couldn't even finish the match.

Brett Morris played that match in Origin 2014 with a broken shoulder, permitted by coach Laurie Daley.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/brett-morris-bravely-played-most-of-state-of-origin-match-with-broken-shoulder-20140530-zrt6c.html

Wayne Bennett named Shane Webcke to START in the 2000 Grand Final despite having a broken arm.
https://www.broncos.com.au/news/2020/04/21/webcke-named-for-grand-final-despite-broken-arm/

Newcastle coach Malcolm Reilly named Andrew Johns in the 1997 decider after he had punctured his lung and broken two ribs in the prior 2 weeks.

Ricky Stuart named Chris Flannery in the 2004 Grand Final side, despite having ruptured a testicle the week prior.

So don't give us this nonsense rubbish that Madge is somehow different or uniquely dismissive of player welfare when I can so easily list off the most famous, most decorated coaches not just leaving injured players on the field, but knowingly naming them to play despite very significant existing injury and risk. Absolute baloney.

Love it! While your at it why don’t you find the quote unquote from Sam Burgess regarding his own decision to stay out on the field despite being told at half time by the club doctor he could lose an eye.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kalminer.com.au/sport/rugby-league/south-sydney-star-sam-burgess-reveals-he-could-have-lost-his-eye-playing-on-in-2014-nrl-grand-final-ng-b881522576z.amp

 

[balmain boy]

So Scott on 500k. How much would we be prepared to pay?

 

[Radoush]

So Scott on 500k. How much would we be prepared to pay?

600K at least

 

[AdelaideTiger]

If Canberra pay some frieght on Scott, I would say it makes our deal for mbye to the drags a bit of an easier choice. While Scott hasn't looked right at Canberra, name a player who has... he'd easily be the fastest and most naturally athletic back in our top 17. Very opportunistic Signing at the right price and solves a MASSIVE problem for us this year. Think his "off field" issues are a bit over blown as well tbh.

 

[Needaname]

Origin

Played Origin?

 

[yeahcaz]

Origin

Played Origin?

He never has

 

[AdelaideTiger]

Origin

Played Origin?

No. Was in the conversation 2 years ago though before being injured

 

[yeahcaz]

If Canberra pay some frieght on Scott, I would say it makes our deal for mbye to the drags a bit of an easier choice. While Scott hasn't looked right at Canberra, name a player who has... he'd easily be the fastest and most naturally athletic back in our top 17. Very opportunistic Signing at the right price and solves a MASSIVE problem for us this year. Think his "off field" issues are a bit over blown as well tbh.

Didn’t the raiders sack him though ? Pretty sure he’d be taking bare minimum anywhere

 

[yeahcaz]

Origin

Played Origin?

No. Was in the conversation 2 years ago though before being injured

Lol so was Nofoaluma and everyone here hates him

 

[cochise]

Origin

Played Origin?

No. Was in the conversation 2 years ago though before being injured

Lol so was Nofoaluma and everyone here hates him

Only person to speak about Nofa playing origin is Nofa

 

[Milky]

I don’t think madge is the right coach for Scott..he should take a pay cut and go back to Melb (if they’ll take him) or go to chooks. He’s not the type of player a struggling club needs..

 

[AdelaideTiger]

If Canberra pay some frieght on Scott, I would say it makes our deal for mbye to the drags a bit of an easier choice. While Scott hasn't looked right at Canberra, name a player who has... he'd easily be the fastest and most naturally athletic back in our top 17. Very opportunistic Signing at the right price and solves a MASSIVE problem for us this year. Think his "off field" issues are a bit over blown as well tbh.

Didn’t the raiders sack him though ? Pretty sure he’d be taking bare minimum anywhere

Not sure, he's been stood down, has he been sacked?

 

[BZN]

Scott isn't exactly a great defender. He would actually be our best centre - just don't see him working out long term

Surely they don't sign him just for this year though.

He averages 90% tackle rate...this season.

Eh, that stat isn't a super effective way to measure an outside backs stats. Doesn't really show if they're rushing up and missing tackles or letting people run past them and he struggled for raiders early this year

He has averaged 85-87 all his career. He also excelled in Origin defensively.

He can defend.

He is a long way from being a decent bloke though...

He’s never played origin ?

Sorry, meant to say he was very good in big games like finals.

A good read below on him from a couple of years back. He has legit issues.

Our problem is every bloke with issues we have brought is has failed so far. On the plus side, he is much younger than the others were.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/i-hit-rock-bottom-storm-star-opens-up-on-mental-health-battle-20191011-p52zr8.html

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[Curaeus]

The bit I read on Scott coming to us suggested it might just be a loan type deal for the balance of this season to cover WT injury issues.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Our three quarter line is a shambles. Need two centres and another winger. Scott even with his inability to repeat his form at Canberra would still be our best centre. Kepaoa is out, Hoffmann not in the frame. Pauga is suspect in defence, Talau isn't kicking on and BJ and JTJ are not delivering.

 

[HabboTiger]

Scott on loan rest of season

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Come on down Curtis… Scott in Mbye out to the Drags, chuck in Cini or whoever this week just get it done.

 

[jirskyr]

Robinson destroyed walker, Sualli out with a season ending injury. who is questioning him?

I agree and I'm surprised there hasn't been any comment on Roosters rushing him into grade on a special NRL waiver, to only have him last 5 matches.

They literally campaigned earlier in the year about having the boy's best interests at heart, and were bristling at suggestions they were being selfish and careless; he's only lasted a handful of matches.

Obviously NRL is a tough game and unexpected / uncontrollable injuries occur, but the point is to minimise the risk against young bodies and minds, hence why the NRL brought in the 18-year old rule. It was introduced after a systematic NRL-wide review into pathways and junior development, not some one-off decision made in a pub one Friday afternoon.

Trent Robinson is full of it, he'll do whatever it takes to win. I don't dislike him for that, I dislike the pretense that he won't risk a player to win. He put Cronk into that grand final with a cracked shoulder blade, because he didn't have confidence that Roosters could get the job done without him.

Trent Robinson gets a free pass simply because the Roosters win enough matches, and have lots of friends in high places.