Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[frullens]

William Kei has been promoted to the top 30 for 2022 alongside Ryan Hoffman this was confirmed by email to me by Pascoe.

And those two promotions are huge indictments on our recruitment and retention. Neither are remotely close to first grade standard and are blocking the paths of players who might be.

We're still paying for the mistakes in the past. If we can manage to swap Hoffman, Kei, Garner, and potentially a few others we have the room to revamp the squad with a higher calibre of player.

Kei is a funny one. While some players on top 30 or dev contracts were playing up a grade he was playing down a grade in Flegg. And he didn't stand out in Flegg and didn't make the trip to Queensland despite not being listed as injured. Effectively he's a young Nof. If we let Nof go there could be room for him if he can lift his game.

It is the issue with development contracts, they guarantee promotion into the top 30.

Is that across the board? Or just something that west's tigers have been doing?

Across the board. It makes building your squad hard as for the players you have of contract there is often a development player that needs to be added to fill that spot in the top 30.

Particularly if that development player isn't ready for first grade

Exactly, I have never liked them for this reason.

What's the alternative? Just sign developing players to jersey flegg & KOE cup - and the promote if ready?

 

[frullens]

William Kei has been promoted to the top 30 for 2022 alongside Ryan Hoffman this was confirmed by email to me by Pascoe.

And those two promotions are huge indictments on our recruitment and retention. Neither are remotely close to first grade standard and are blocking the paths of players who might be.

We're still paying for the mistakes in the past. If we can manage to swap Hoffman, Kei, Garner, and potentially a few others we have the room to revamp the squad with a higher calibre of player.

Kei is a funny one. While some players on top 30 or dev contracts were playing up a grade he was playing down a grade in Flegg. And he didn't stand out in Flegg and didn't make the trip to Queensland despite not being listed as injured. Effectively he's a young Nof. If we let Nof go there could be room for him if he can lift his game.

It is the issue with development contracts, they guarantee promotion into the top 30.

Is that across the board? Or just something that west's tigers have been doing?

Across the board. It makes building your squad hard as for the players you have of contract there is often a development player that needs to be added to fill that spot in the top 30.

Particularly if that development player isn't ready for first grade

Odds obviously not in his favour but you never know, could have a blinder of a pre season and regain old form and fight his way into some selection. What’s the worse that could happen ? We lose some games ?

Do think we can do better in developing and coaching so they are ready. Seyfarth has been the best example but plenty of others where we have tried them one or two games and said they aren't up to scratch, never to play again

 

[cochise]

William Kei has been promoted to the top 30 for 2022 alongside Ryan Hoffman this was confirmed by email to me by Pascoe.

And those two promotions are huge indictments on our recruitment and retention. Neither are remotely close to first grade standard and are blocking the paths of players who might be.

We're still paying for the mistakes in the past. If we can manage to swap Hoffman, Kei, Garner, and potentially a few others we have the room to revamp the squad with a higher calibre of player.

Kei is a funny one. While some players on top 30 or dev contracts were playing up a grade he was playing down a grade in Flegg. And he didn't stand out in Flegg and didn't make the trip to Queensland despite not being listed as injured. Effectively he's a young Nof. If we let Nof go there could be room for him if he can lift his game.

It is the issue with development contracts, they guarantee promotion into the top 30.

Is that across the board? Or just something that west's tigers have been doing?

Across the board. It makes building your squad hard as for the players you have of contract there is often a development player that needs to be added to fill that spot in the top 30.

Particularly if that development player isn't ready for first grade

Exactly, I have never liked them for this reason.

What's the alternative? Just sign developing players to jersey flegg & KOE cup - and the promote if ready?

That is what used to happen before we had development contracts, I have reached out to get an answer on exactly the mechanism that they work under.

 

[cochise]

William Kei has been promoted to the top 30 for 2022 alongside Ryan Hoffman this was confirmed by email to me by Pascoe.

And those two promotions are huge indictments on our recruitment and retention. Neither are remotely close to first grade standard and are blocking the paths of players who might be.

We're still paying for the mistakes in the past. If we can manage to swap Hoffman, Kei, Garner, and potentially a few others we have the room to revamp the squad with a higher calibre of player.

Kei is a funny one. While some players on top 30 or dev contracts were playing up a grade he was playing down a grade in Flegg. And he didn't stand out in Flegg and didn't make the trip to Queensland despite not being listed as injured. Effectively he's a young Nof. If we let Nof go there could be room for him if he can lift his game.

It is the issue with development contracts, they guarantee promotion into the top 30.

Is that across the board? Or just something that west's tigers have been doing?

Across the board. It makes building your squad hard as for the players you have of contract there is often a development player that needs to be added to fill that spot in the top 30.

Particularly if that development player isn't ready for first grade

Odds obviously not in his favour but you never know, could have a blinder of a pre season and regain old form and fight his way into some selection. What’s the worse that could happen ? We lose some games ?

Do think we can do better in developing and coaching so they are ready. Seyfarth has been the best example but plenty of others where we have tried them one or two games and said they aren't up to scratch, never to play again

The aim of our investment in pathways is to have players entering our system more prepared for NRL football than they have have been previously, this is really below the guys on development contracts as they are working with our coaches and trainers but hopefully that translates to the development guys as well.

 

[weststigers]

William Kei has been promoted to the top 30 for 2022 alongside Ryan Hoffman this was confirmed by email to me by Pascoe.

And those two promotions are huge indictments on our recruitment and retention. Neither are remotely close to first grade standard and are blocking the paths of players who might be.

We're still paying for the mistakes in the past. If we can manage to swap Hoffman, Kei, Garner, and potentially a few others we have the room to revamp the squad with a higher calibre of player.

Kei is a funny one. While some players on top 30 or dev contracts were playing up a grade he was playing down a grade in Flegg. And he didn't stand out in Flegg and didn't make the trip to Queensland despite not being listed as injured. Effectively he's a young Nof. If we let Nof go there could be room for him if he can lift his game.

It is the issue with development contracts, they guarantee promotion into the top 30.

Is that across the board? Or just something that west's tigers have been doing?

Across the board. It makes building your squad hard as for the players you have of contract there is often a development player that needs to be added to fill that spot in the top 30.

Particularly if that development player isn't ready for first grade

Odds obviously not in his favour but you never know, could have a blinder of a pre season and regain old form and fight his way into some selection. What’s the worse that could happen ? We lose some games ?

Do think we can do better in developing and coaching so they are ready. Seyfarth has been the best example but plenty of others where we have tried them one or two games and said they aren't up to scratch, never to play again

The aim of our investment in pathways is to have players entering our system more prepared for NRL football than they have have been previously, this is really below the guys on development contracts as they are working with our coaches and trainers but hopefully that translates to the development guys as well.

Does this apply to junior game plans and attacking/defensive structures as well?

I'd imagine it would be beneficial to teach the first grade style throughout the juniors so by the time they get to NRL, they know their job and the whole experience isn't totally foreign?

I think the Storm do something of this nature.

 

[twentyforty]

William Kei has been promoted to the top 30 for 2022 alongside Ryan Hoffman this was confirmed by email to me by Pascoe.

And those two promotions are huge indictments on our recruitment and retention. Neither are remotely close to first grade standard and are blocking the paths of players who might be.

We're still paying for the mistakes in the past. If we can manage to swap Hoffman, Kei, Garner, and potentially a few others we have the room to revamp the squad with a higher calibre of player.

Kei is a funny one. While some players on top 30 or dev contracts were playing up a grade he was playing down a grade in Flegg. And he didn't stand out in Flegg and didn't make the trip to Queensland despite not being listed as injured. Effectively he's a young Nof. If we let Nof go there could be room for him if he can lift his game.

It is the issue with development contracts, they guarantee promotion into the top 30.

Is that across the board? Or just something that west's tigers have been doing?

Across the board. It makes building your squad hard as for the players you have of contract there is often a development player that needs to be added to fill that spot in the top 30.

Particularly if that development player isn't ready for first grade

Odds obviously not in his favour but you never know, could have a blinder of a pre season and regain old form and fight his way into some selection. What’s the worse that could happen ? We lose some games ?

Do think we can do better in developing and coaching so they are ready. Seyfarth has been the best example but plenty of others where we have tried them one or two games and said they aren't up to scratch, never to play again

The aim of our investment in pathways is to have players entering our system more prepared for NRL football than they have have been previously, this is really below the guys on development contracts as they are working with our coaches and trainers but hopefully that translates to the development guys as well.

Does this apply to junior game plans and attacking/defensive structures as well?

I'd imagine it would be beneficial to teach the first grade style throughout the juniors so by the time they get to NRL, they know their job and the whole experience isn't totally foreign?

I think the Storm do something of this nature.

It won’t happen without committed, motivated team players in the organisation who understand the value of the part they play. A good start would be to have all teams in the same jersey.

 

[DGilly]

Lomax should be top priority alongside a player swap for Brooks, Watching the Dogs game it was clear he threw it deliberately. A house divided cannot stand, he needs to go.

Geez people say some really stupid things.
If you look at the last game Brooks wasn’t the main culprit. Brooks was the only one chasing the bulldogs breaks and covering. To lose 30+ is more on the whole squad than the halfback. He didn’t throw an intercept pass, didn’t shy from making a tackle and didn’t set the opposition up. Yes he played terrible but others played alot worse.

I didn't say he was the only player throwing it did I?

 

[JC99]

Hoffman had a good year in NSW cup but Madge picked just about everyone over him to play centre this year, hopefully he goes okay

Kei got injured and was struggling in Flegg when he came back. Can't see him playing first grade anytime soon next year

I don't think the development contracts HAVE to result in the player joining the top 30 at the end of them, wasn't Tuilagi a club option for joining the top 30 in 2022?

 

[Roar_Power]

Hoffman had a good year in NSW cup but Madge picked just about everyone over him to play centre this year, hopefully he goes okay

Kei got injured and was struggling in Flegg when he came back. Can't see him playing first grade anytime soon next year

I don't think the development contracts HAVE to result in the player joining the top 30 at the end of them, wasn't Tuilagi a club option for joining the top 30 in 2022?

Personally I wasn't excited about Hoffman in 2021. Let in some soft tries with ordinary defence. I don't think he will make it at NRL level but happy to be proven wrong. I do think it's a wasted top 30 spot however. Ogden has much more upside.

 

[boonboon]

Hoffman had a good year in NSW cup but Madge picked just about everyone over him to play centre this year, hopefully he goes okay

Kei got injured and was struggling in Flegg when he came back. Can't see him playing first grade anytime soon next year

I don't think the development contracts HAVE to result in the player joining the top 30 at the end of them, wasn't Tuilagi a club option for joining the top 30 in 2022?

Personally I wasn't excited about Hoffman in 2021. Let in some soft tries with ordinary defence. I don't think he will make it at NRL level but happy to be proven wrong. I do think it's a wasted top 30 spot however. Ogden has much more upside.

I really think people are overrating players in Jersey Flegg when they are 21.

Hoffman played the full season in NSW cup despite still bein eligible for Jersey Flegg next year

Ogden is older then hoffman plaing his last year in Jersey Flegg yet only got 2 games of NSW cup.

That tells me Hoffman is 2 yrs in front of Ogden and much more likel to nake it.

 

[tigerman 0]

Sorry but I don’t rate Hoffman at all

 

[Demps]

Sorry but I don’t rate Hoffman at all

He might win ya over, need to see more of him.

 

[JC99]

Hoffman had a good year in NSW cup but Madge picked just about everyone over him to play centre this year, hopefully he goes okay

Kei got injured and was struggling in Flegg when he came back. Can't see him playing first grade anytime soon next year

I don't think the development contracts HAVE to result in the player joining the top 30 at the end of them, wasn't Tuilagi a club option for joining the top 30 in 2022?

Personally I wasn't excited about Hoffman in 2021. Let in some soft tries with ordinary defence. I don't think he will make it at NRL level but happy to be proven wrong. I do think it's a wasted top 30 spot however. Ogden has much more upside.

I really think people are overrating players in Jersey Flegg when they are 21.

Hoffman played the full season in NSW cup despite still bein eligible for Jersey Flegg next year

Ogden is older then hoffman plaing his last year in Jersey Flegg yet only got 2 games of NSW cup.

That tells me Hoffman is 2 yrs in front of Ogden and much more likel to nake it.

Hoffman had a good season, wasn't electric and didn't produce highlight clips but from what I saw was pretty consistent and did his job well.

With Talau out there's two centre spots up for grabs if he wants one.

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

Hoffman had a good year in NSW cup but Madge picked just about everyone over him to play centre this year, hopefully he goes okay

Kei got injured and was struggling in Flegg when he came back. Can't see him playing first grade anytime soon next year

I don't think the development contracts HAVE to result in the player joining the top 30 at the end of them, wasn't Tuilagi a club option for joining the top 30 in 2022?

Personally I wasn't excited about Hoffman in 2021. Let in some soft tries with ordinary defence. I don't think he will make it at NRL level but happy to be proven wrong. I do think it's a wasted top 30 spot however. Ogden has much more upside.

I really think people are overrating players in Jersey Flegg when they are 21.

Hoffman played the full season in NSW cup despite still bein eligible for Jersey Flegg next year

Ogden is older then hoffman plaing his last year in Jersey Flegg yet only got 2 games of NSW cup.

That tells me Hoffman is 2 yrs in front of Ogden and much more likel to nake it.

Hoffman had a good season, wasn't electric and didn't produce highlight clips but from what I saw was pretty consistent and did his job well.

With Talau out there's two centre spots up for grabs if he wants one.

Hoffman won’t be a star, but will develop into a first grader

 

[supercoach]

Hoffman had a good year in NSW cup but Madge picked just about everyone over him to play centre this year, hopefully he goes okay

Kei got injured and was struggling in Flegg when he came back. Can't see him playing first grade anytime soon next year

I don't think the development contracts HAVE to result in the player joining the top 30 at the end of them, wasn't Tuilagi a club option for joining the top 30 in 2022?

Personally I wasn't excited about Hoffman in 2021. Let in some soft tries with ordinary defence. I don't think he will make it at NRL level but happy to be proven wrong. I do think it's a wasted top 30 spot however. Ogden has much more upside.

I really think people are overrating players in Jersey Flegg when they are 21.

Hoffman played the full season in NSW cup despite still bein eligible for Jersey Flegg next year

Ogden is older then hoffman plaing his last year in Jersey Flegg yet only got 2 games of NSW cup.

That tells me Hoffman is 2 yrs in front of Ogden and much more likel to nake it.

Hoffman had a good season, wasn't electric and didn't produce highlight clips but from what I saw was pretty consistent and did his job well.

With Talau out there's two centre spots up for grabs if he wants one.

Hoffman won’t be a star, but will develop into a first grader

I see him in the near future heading into the backrow.

 

[TigerWest]

Hoffman had a good year in NSW cup but Madge picked just about everyone over him to play centre this year, hopefully he goes okay

Kei got injured and was struggling in Flegg when he came back. Can't see him playing first grade anytime soon next year

I don't think the development contracts HAVE to result in the player joining the top 30 at the end of them, wasn't Tuilagi a club option for joining the top 30 in 2022?

Personally I wasn't excited about Hoffman in 2021. Let in some soft tries with ordinary defence. I don't think he will make it at NRL level but happy to be proven wrong. I do think it's a wasted top 30 spot however. Ogden has much more upside.

I really think people are overrating players in Jersey Flegg when they are 21.

Hoffman played the full season in NSW cup despite still bein eligible for Jersey Flegg next year

Ogden is older then hoffman plaing his last year in Jersey Flegg yet only got 2 games of NSW cup.

That tells me Hoffman is 2 yrs in front of Ogden and much more likel to nake it.

Hoffman had a good season, wasn't electric and didn't produce highlight clips but from what I saw was pretty consistent and did his job well.

With Talau out there's two centre spots up for grabs if he wants one.

Hoffman won’t be a star, but will develop into a first grader

The club must see something, otherwise he wouldn’t still be here?

 

[jadtiger]

Hoffman had a good year in NSW cup but Madge picked just about everyone over him to play centre this year, hopefully he goes okay

Kei got injured and was struggling in Flegg when he came back. Can't see him playing first grade anytime soon next year

I don't think the development contracts HAVE to result in the player joining the top 30 at the end of them, wasn't Tuilagi a club option for joining the top 30 in 2022?

Personally I wasn't excited about Hoffman in 2021. Let in some soft tries with ordinary defence. I don't think he will make it at NRL level but happy to be proven wrong. I do think it's a wasted top 30 spot however. Ogden has much more upside.

I really think people are overrating players in Jersey Flegg when they are 21.

Hoffman played the full season in NSW cup despite still bein eligible for Jersey Flegg next year

Ogden is older then hoffman plaing his last year in Jersey Flegg yet only got 2 games of NSW cup.

That tells me Hoffman is 2 yrs in front of Ogden and much more likel to nake it.

Hoffman had a good season, wasn't electric and didn't produce highlight clips but from what I saw was pretty consistent and did his job well.

With Talau out there's two centre spots up for grabs if he wants one.

Hoffman won’t be a star, but will develop into a first grader

I agree and to be honest we need players to be first graders not necesseraly "stars".

 

[tony soprano]

Has anyone posted the juniors article from dt?

 

[finnzo]

Has anyone posted the juniors article from dt?

I haven’t seen it yet and would like to give it a read please post

 

[cochise]

William Kei has been promoted to the top 30 for 2022 alongside Ryan Hoffman this was confirmed by email to me by Pascoe.

And those two promotions are huge indictments on our recruitment and retention. Neither are remotely close to first grade standard and are blocking the paths of players who might be.

We're still paying for the mistakes in the past. If we can manage to swap Hoffman, Kei, Garner, and potentially a few others we have the room to revamp the squad with a higher calibre of player.

Kei is a funny one. While some players on top 30 or dev contracts were playing up a grade he was playing down a grade in Flegg. And he didn't stand out in Flegg and didn't make the trip to Queensland despite not being listed as injured. Effectively he's a young Nof. If we let Nof go there could be room for him if he can lift his game.

It is the issue with development contracts, they guarantee promotion into the top 30.

Is that across the board? Or just something that west's tigers have been doing?

Across the board. It makes building your squad hard as for the players you have of contract there is often a development player that needs to be added to fill that spot in the top 30.

Particularly if that development player isn't ready for first grade

Odds obviously not in his favour but you never know, could have a blinder of a pre season and regain old form and fight his way into some selection. What’s the worse that could happen ? We lose some games ?

Do think we can do better in developing and coaching so they are ready. Seyfarth has been the best example but plenty of others where we have tried them one or two games and said they aren't up to scratch, never to play again

The aim of our investment in pathways is to have players entering our system more prepared for NRL football than they have have been previously, this is really below the guys on development contracts as they are working with our coaches and trainers but hopefully that translates to the development guys as well.

Does this apply to junior game plans and attacking/defensive structures as well?

I'd imagine it would be beneficial to teach the first grade style throughout the juniors so by the time they get to NRL, they know their job and the whole experience isn't totally foreign?

I think the Storm do something of this nature.

I think a lot of it is training and coaching methods, I know they are doing work on nutrition etc down with the trainers in the junior clubs.