Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[twentyforty]

I can only wish the roosters are enticing players with money, but I think the uncomfortable truth is that players are going there to be successful and sacrificing the money. If this generation values winning over money, our hill gets even steeper to climb, Ryan Matterson was on $180K at the chooks . When his upgrade request got leaked, whilst a WT. Many started to entertain the notion of the roosters actually being under the cap.

The Roosters are NEVER under the salary cap.This cr3p about players playing for unders "just to be at the Roosters" is a Politus inspired myth .Just because payments dont show up on the books, dont think for a second players are not receiving delayed payments for years after they retire from third parties, supposedly at arms length from the club.

1000 % Agree this happens..
Even retired players joke about it yet we get done for offering Farah a job AFTER footy when he was also leaving our club..
I've said it for years now but all payment should be paid through NRL and TPA need to be scrapped or heavily looked at by NRL.. Unfortunately the NRL have no balls to fix it

That doesn’t stop lumps of cash handed out

As suggested before, all players should be on a points system. The more valuable a player is the higher the points.All clubs can pay players what they want , however they can only spend the same amount of points. If a player is a local junior, you get a discount . If a players is a local junior and stays with the club 10 years , you get a discount. If you buy a player that was a junior at another club, you never can get these discounts, not matter how long he stays. The

beauty of this system is it would stop the likes of the Rorters waiting for all the other clubs(like the Tigers ) spending the time developing these kids just to have them "stolen " with more money. For one thing , clubs like the Rorters would be forced to develop their own juniors and Uncle Nicks paper bags would be rendered redundant in buying any more premierships.

All clubs have brown paper bags. Some have more in the bag.

 

[cochise]

If we somehow get Hodgson and they don't take Liddle I would be on the phone to Dogs for a swap for Cotric..
I don't think they will get Moloney from Eels so might be tempted.

Honestly if that’s the case Madge wanted another Prop send him to Dogs in exchange for Thompson we might have to throw a bit of money as well but that’s what I’d be doing

I spoke with Cotric today he likes the dogs thinks they will be top 8 I asked him why players don't come to the Tigers he said they don't want to lose he absolutely loves Ricky Stuart said Rick loves his players looks after them and genuinely takes an interest in there wellbeing


Just goes to show that Cotric is as dumb as the rest of the dogs.They have a better chance of going back to back spooners than making the 8 imo.Though i am sure his bank balance is far healthier playing for them

I don’t think they are any chance to get the spoon. They’re a pretty good roster.

Still a mid table roster but not in the running for the spoon.

 

[jadtiger]

If we somehow get Hodgson and they don't take Liddle I would be on the phone to Dogs for a swap for Cotric..
I don't think they will get Moloney from Eels so might be tempted.

Honestly if that’s the case Madge wanted another Prop send him to Dogs in exchange for Thompson we might have to throw a bit of money as well but that’s what I’d be doing

I spoke with Cotric today he likes the dogs thinks they will be top 8 I asked him why players don't come to the Tigers he said they don't want to lose he absolutely loves Ricky Stuart said Rick loves his players looks after them and genuinely takes an interest in there wellbeing


Just goes to show that Cotric is as dumb as the rest of the dogs.They have a better chance of going back to back spooners than making the 8 imo.Though i am sure his bank balance is far healthier playing for them

I don’t think they are any chance to get the spoon. They’re a pretty good roster.

On paper they had a roster better than ours this year after their spending spree buying players on overs,they sucked and have done exactly the same for next year.I see them closer to the spoon that the 8 back to back spoons is quite possible.

 

[avocadoontoast]

If we somehow get Hodgson and they don't take Liddle I would be on the phone to Dogs for a swap for Cotric..
I don't think they will get Moloney from Eels so might be tempted.

Honestly if that’s the case Madge wanted another Prop send him to Dogs in exchange for Thompson we might have to throw a bit of money as well but that’s what I’d be doing

I spoke with Cotric today he likes the dogs thinks they will be top 8 I asked him why players don't come to the Tigers he said they don't want to lose he absolutely loves Ricky Stuart said Rick loves his players looks after them and genuinely takes an interest in there wellbeing


Just goes to show that Cotric is as dumb as the rest of the dogs.They have a better chance of going back to back spooners than making the 8 imo.Though i am sure his bank balance is far healthier playing for them

I don’t think they are any chance to get the spoon. They’re a pretty good roster.


On paper they had a roster better than ours this year after their spending spree buying players on overs,they sucked and have done exactly the same for next year.I see them closer to the spoon that the 8 back to back spoons is quite possible.

I give them no chance for the spoon.

 

[TheDaBoss]

If we somehow get Hodgson and they don't take Liddle I would be on the phone to Dogs for a swap for Cotric..
I don't think they will get Moloney from Eels so might be tempted.

Honestly if that’s the case Madge wanted another Prop send him to Dogs in exchange for Thompson we might have to throw a bit of money as well but that’s what I’d be doing

I spoke with Cotric today he likes the dogs thinks they will be top 8 I asked him why players don't come to the Tigers he said they don't want to lose he absolutely loves Ricky Stuart said Rick loves his players looks after them and genuinely takes an interest in there wellbeing


Just goes to show that Cotric is as dumb as the rest of the dogs.They have a better chance of going back to back spooners than making the 8 imo.Though i am sure his bank balance is far healthier playing for them

I don’t think they are any chance to get the spoon. They’re a pretty good roster.


On paper they had a roster better than ours this year after their spending spree buying players on overs,they sucked and have done exactly the same for next year.I see them closer to the spoon that the 8 back to back spoons is quite possible.

I give them no chance for the spoon.

13th-14th worst outcome

Worst outcome for us..obv spoon

However if we get 9th with this draw...i will be pissed

 

[avocadoontoast]

If we somehow get Hodgson and they don't take Liddle I would be on the phone to Dogs for a swap for Cotric..
I don't think they will get Moloney from Eels so might be tempted.

Honestly if that’s the case Madge wanted another Prop send him to Dogs in exchange for Thompson we might have to throw a bit of money as well but that’s what I’d be doing

I spoke with Cotric today he likes the dogs thinks they will be top 8 I asked him why players don't come to the Tigers he said they don't want to lose he absolutely loves Ricky Stuart said Rick loves his players looks after them and genuinely takes an interest in there wellbeing


Just goes to show that Cotric is as dumb as the rest of the dogs.They have a better chance of going back to back spooners than making the 8 imo.Though i am sure his bank balance is far healthier playing for them

I don’t think they are any chance to get the spoon. They’re a pretty good roster.

Still a mid table roster but not in the running for the spoon.

Agree, they’re nowhere near bottom 4

 

[cochise]

If we somehow get Hodgson and they don't take Liddle I would be on the phone to Dogs for a swap for Cotric..
I don't think they will get Moloney from Eels so might be tempted.

Honestly if that’s the case Madge wanted another Prop send him to Dogs in exchange for Thompson we might have to throw a bit of money as well but that’s what I’d be doing

I spoke with Cotric today he likes the dogs thinks they will be top 8 I asked him why players don't come to the Tigers he said they don't want to lose he absolutely loves Ricky Stuart said Rick loves his players looks after them and genuinely takes an interest in there wellbeing


Just goes to show that Cotric is as dumb as the rest of the dogs.They have a better chance of going back to back spooners than making the 8 imo.Though i am sure his bank balance is far healthier playing for them

I don’t think they are any chance to get the spoon. They’re a pretty good roster.

Still a mid table roster but not in the running for the spoon.

Agree, they’re nowhere near bottom 4

I see them on the fringe of the 8, if they miss the 8 I will be extremely happy lol

 

[happy_tiger]

I can only wish the roosters are enticing players with money, but I think the uncomfortable truth is that players are going there to be successful and sacrificing the money. If this generation values winning over money, our hill gets even steeper to climb, Ryan Matterson was on $180K at the chooks . When his upgrade request got leaked, whilst a WT. Many started to entertain the notion of the roosters actually being under the cap.

The Roosters are NEVER under the salary cap.This cr3p about players playing for unders "just to be at the Roosters" is a Politus inspired myth .Just because payments dont show up on the books, dont think for a second players are not receiving delayed payments for years after they retire from third parties, supposedly at arms length from the club.

1000 % Agree this happens..
Even retired players joke about it yet we get done for offering Farah a job AFTER footy when he was also leaving our club..
I've said it for years now but all payment should be paid through NRL and TPA need to be scrapped or heavily looked at by NRL.. Unfortunately the NRL have no balls to fix it

That doesn’t stop lumps of cash handed out

As suggested before, all players should be on a points system. The more valuable a player is the higher the points.All clubs can pay players what they want , however they can only spend the same amount of points. If a player is a local junior, you get a discount . If a players is a local junior and stays with the club 10 years , you get a discount. If you buy a player that was a junior at another club, you never can get these discounts, not matter how long he stays. The
beauty of this system is it would stop the likes of the Rorters waiting for all the other clubs(like the Tigers ) spending the time developing these kids just to have them "stolen " with more money. For one thing , clubs like the Rorters would be forced to develop their own juniors and Uncle Nicks paper bags would be rendered redundant in buying any more premierships.

All clubs have brown paper bags. Some have more in the bag.

And some are too smart to get caught out .....

As proven in the Farah situation .....we have proven we aren't too smart .....so why would you risk it to play footy in a bottom 4 side and risk you representative jerseys etc .....you don't play SOO when you probably should costs you 90 k alone .....

 

[jirskyr]

It's painful always clicking on this thread and not getting any positive news

Yeah if it isn't 30 pages in a day ....don't open .....bad news on the doorstep ....I couldn't one more step .....

Normally after a Pom offering we get about 10 pages of instant activity, but even he did not stir up much interest today.
Sadly you have to be realistic, we were absolutely terrible last year and have basically got the same squad..so what’s to get excited about

Nobody said you had to get excited. Personally I think that's been part of the issue with Tigers, people getting over-excited about a club that has consistently proven to be below average.

 

[bathursttiger1]

If we somehow get Hodgson and they don't take Liddle I would be on the phone to Dogs for a swap for Cotric..
I don't think they will get Moloney from Eels so might be tempted.

Honestly if that’s the case Madge wanted another Prop send him to Dogs in exchange for Thompson we might have to throw a bit of money as well but that’s what I’d be doing

I spoke with Cotric today he likes the dogs thinks they will be top 8 I asked him why players don't come to the Tigers he said they don't want to lose he absolutely loves Ricky Stuart said Rick loves his players looks after them and genuinely takes an interest in there wellbeing


Just goes to show that Cotric is as dumb as the rest of the dogs.They have a better chance of going back to back spooners than making the 8 imo.Though i am sure his bank balance is far healthier playing for them

I don’t think they are any chance to get the spoon. They’re a pretty good roster.

Still a mid table roster but not in the running for the spoon.

I’d laugh at Barrett if they got the spoon next year.

 

[jirskyr]

As suggested before, all players should be on a points system. The more valuable a player is the higher the points.

I'll say this every time, and it's not a slight against you, but can anyone please show me a professional league of any sport globally that has a centrally-assigned points cap system in place? Can't work, won't work.

 

[jirskyr]

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/sport/26-seq-junior-stars-going-the-other-way-to-sydney-nrl-clubs-like-the-roosters-bulldogs-and-wests-tigers/news-story/f70fd2363af84ed341dcd74879d1f9e1%3famp

Looks like we have recruited well from QLD with the focus on pathways

The Wests Tigers have six of the best – Queensland schoolboys merit prop Herman Tofaeono (Keebra Park SHS), 2021 joint Justin Hodges medallist Chris Faatugu (Marsden SHS), outstanding Wavell No. 13 Junior Taungatua (Wavell SHS), middle forward Mou Taumaletila (Marsden SHS) and utility Kienan Tempest (Marsden SHS) who is a David Stagg clone.

Throw in brilliant Kirwan SHS outside back talent Dudley Dotoi from Far North Queensland and you have a bag full of good kids headed to the Wests Tigers.


And yet the majority of the forum are still carrying on like Jason Taylor is running things.

People need to wake up to the fact that this club is indeed doing good things and stop blaming them for the past mistakes.

Maybe the club should communicate a lot better with there stake holders … if this younger talent is on the books TELL us ,explain what’s happening and the direction the club is taking . COMMUNICATION costs nothing it’s easy but the most fundamental resource that organisation do not use effectively.

Still feel it wouldn't matter. Most people are still hung up on Josh Addo Carr etc

I actually met Addo Carr on Cup Day. Lovely fella. Asked him why he didn't come back to the Tigers and he said we didn't want him

At the price he was asking...

Can only take a man at his word

For sure. I just recollect a heads of agreement or was that latrell?

There was a HOA but only if the Storm agreed to a release for 2021. WT wouldn't agree to a player swap to secure the release so the Heads of Agreement was null and void

Doesn't that suggest we wanted him?

Fact that we wouldn't agree to any player swap to secure his release would suggest we didn't want him that much

You do realise it doesn't work that way?

It does for players under contract at clubs with backbone and when players have integrity not to down tools. We had to release Momorovski to secure Laurie. Exactly the same

And if the player doesn't want to move to Melbourne?

as Penrith said with .ansour you will not be playing first grade, so he took up a swap with souths

Pretty different situation when you are asking someone to move to a different state.

Also there was no swap with Souths, Mansour was just released from his Penrith contract.

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

Sea Eagles have released Cade Cust from the final year of his contract to allow him to pursue an opportunity outside of the NRL.

 

[jirskyr]

If we somehow get Hodgson and they don't take Liddle I would be on the phone to Dogs for a swap for Cotric..
I don't think they will get Moloney from Eels so might be tempted.

Honestly if that’s the case Madge wanted another Prop send him to Dogs in exchange for Thompson we might have to throw a bit of money as well but that’s what I’d be doing

I spoke with Cotric today he likes the dogs thinks they will be top 8 I asked him why players don't come to the Tigers he said they don't want to lose he absolutely loves Ricky Stuart said Rick loves his players looks after them and genuinely takes an interest in there wellbeing

So players don’t want to come to the Tigers cos they don’t want to lose. But he loves it at the Dogs. Righto

Despite the bad season, Tigers in 2021 had 2 more wins than Bulldogs managed all of 2020 and 2021 combined.

 

[Russell]

I can only wish the roosters are enticing players with money, but I think the uncomfortable truth is that players are going there to be successful and sacrificing the money. If this generation values winning over money, our hill gets even steeper to climb, Ryan Matterson was on $180K at the chooks . When his upgrade request got leaked, whilst a WT. Many started to entertain the notion of the roosters actually being under the cap.

The Roosters are NEVER under the salary cap.This cr3p about players playing for unders "just to be at the Roosters" is a Politus inspired myth .Just because payments dont show up on the books, dont think for a second players are not receiving delayed payments for years after they retire from third parties, supposedly at arms length from the club.

1000 % Agree this happens..
Even retired players joke about it yet we get done for offering Farah a job AFTER footy when he was also leaving our club..
I've said it for years now but all payment should be paid through NRL and TPA need to be scrapped or heavily looked at by NRL.. Unfortunately the NRL have no balls to fix it

That doesn’t stop lumps of cash handed out

As suggested before, all players should be on a points system. The more valuable a player is the higher the points.All clubs can pay players what they want , however they can only spend the same amount of points. If a player is a local junior, you get a discount . If a players is a local junior and stays with the club 10 years , you get a discount. If you buy a player that was a junior at another club, you never can get these discounts, not matter how long he stays. The beauty of this system is it would stop the likes of the Rorters waiting for all the other clubs(like the Tigers ) spending the time developing these kids just to have them "stolen " with more money. For one thing , clubs like the Rorters would be forced to develop their own juniors and Uncle Nicks paper bags would be rendered redundant in buying any more premierships.

Who allocates the points? This could also be rorted.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

If we somehow get Hodgson and they don't take Liddle I would be on the phone to Dogs for a swap for Cotric..
I don't think they will get Moloney from Eels so might be tempted.

Honestly if that’s the case Madge wanted another Prop send him to Dogs in exchange for Thompson we might have to throw a bit of money as well but that’s what I’d be doing

I spoke with Cotric today he likes the dogs thinks they will be top 8 I asked him why players don't come to the Tigers he said they don't want to lose he absolutely loves Ricky Stuart said Rick loves his players looks after them and genuinely takes an interest in there wellbeing


Just goes to show that Cotric is as dumb as the rest of the dogs.They have a better chance of going back to back spooners than making the 8 imo.Though i am sure his bank balance is far healthier playing for them

I don’t think they are any chance to get the spoon. They’re a pretty good roster.

Still a mid table roster but not in the running for the spoon.


I’d laugh at Barrett if they got the spoon next year.

No chance

 

[BAGNF05]

As suggested before, all players should be on a points system. The more valuable a player is the higher the points.

I'll say this every time, and it's not a slight against you, but can anyone please show me a professional league of any sport globally that has a centrally-assigned points cap system in place? Can't work, won't work.

I see no reason why it couldn’t work, but it won’t happen because the people with the power ($) don’t want it.

 

[BAGNF05]

If we somehow get Hodgson and they don't take Liddle I would be on the phone to Dogs for a swap for Cotric..
I don't think they will get Moloney from Eels so might be tempted.

Honestly if that’s the case Madge wanted another Prop send him to Dogs in exchange for Thompson we might have to throw a bit of money as well but that’s what I’d be doing

I spoke with Cotric today he likes the dogs thinks they will be top 8 I asked him why players don't come to the Tigers he said they don't want to lose he absolutely loves Ricky Stuart said Rick loves his players looks after them and genuinely takes an interest in there wellbeing

So players don’t want to come to the Tigers cos they don’t want to lose. But he loves it at the Dogs. Righto

Despite the bad season, Tigers in 2021 had 2 more wins than Bulldogs managed all of 2020 and 2021 combined.

How many good wins did we have, we preyed on injured teams in large part.

 

[2041]

As suggested before, all players should be on a points system. The more valuable a player is the higher the points.

I'll say this every time, and it's not a slight against you, but can anyone please show me a professional league of any sport globally that has a centrally-assigned points cap system in place? Can't work, won't work.

100% this. The whole idea is a complete non-starter. All it does is distort player cost, not "fix" it. Depending on how the points are assigned, it would likely be a disaster for solid first graders who happen to have played a game or two of rep football and are now given rep-level points, while wildly overvaluing unproven talent. Instead of allowing clubs to keep the players they have developed, it would force them into Joseph Suaalii style bidding wars over "next big thing" talent that has a very low points score.

Every time I get into a conversation with a points system advicate they have to tweak the system in response to every problem.

What about players who get international caps for second tier nations - would they carry the same points weighting as Australia internationals? *Oh no, it would be half.* So teams would be incentivised to sign Tongan and Kiwi players rather than Australians - how would that go down? *Oh no, Tonga and NZ are good now, so they would have full weighting.* So some guy who plays a couple of games off the bench for Tonga has the same weighting as an Australian international? *It could be based on number of games played.* But some international teams play more than others.

And so it goes on, until they end up saying actually there would just be a panel of judges who decide how many points to assign everyone. Which basically turns roster construction into "are you a better judge of talent than Gorden Tallis, Neil Henry and Braith Anasta". There's no way any system that relies on external judgement of talent is going to work.

 

[2041]

If we somehow get Hodgson and they don't take Liddle I would be on the phone to Dogs for a swap for Cotric..
I don't think they will get Moloney from Eels so might be tempted.

Honestly if that’s the case Madge wanted another Prop send him to Dogs in exchange for Thompson we might have to throw a bit of money as well but that’s what I’d be doing

I spoke with Cotric today he likes the dogs thinks they will be top 8 I asked him why players don't come to the Tigers he said they don't want to lose he absolutely loves Ricky Stuart said Rick loves his players looks after them and genuinely takes an interest in there wellbeing

So players don’t want to come to the Tigers cos they don’t want to lose. But he loves it at the Dogs. Righto

Despite the bad season, Tigers in 2021 had 2 more wins than Bulldogs managed all of 2020 and 2021 combined.

How many good wins did we have, we preyed on injured teams in large part.

How many "good wins" did the Dogs have as a matter of interest?