Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

tony soprano said:
I understand just saying have to be careful on spend externally otherwise there will be no money left for the good juniors coming through, we've already spent a bit next year
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I agree, always a balancing act. I think the rest of the roster is in a pretty good place but there is a big hole at 2RW that doesn't look like being closed this year and it will cost us wins.
 
batboy said:
I think we're doing it wrong by having all our development deals tied up in good kids...
There's good reserve grade players around at other clubs on development deals...
Out of all the kids that we've used that position and money for - we've got around 20-30 games back. Blokes like Kelma and the likes, are playing QCup... Go after some of them.

I also believe Freebairn and Dias should be on a dev. deals - If they go full time, We might get that extra out of them they're just short ATM.
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With Players who are on Train and trial deals eligible to play NRL now same as development players it's not that much difference..

We have Ben Stevanovic, Billy Stapleton, Christian Ma’anaima, Iverson Fuatimau, Junior Pauga, Liam Scolari, Logen Dillon, Rua Ngatikaura, Tom Freebairn. all on Train and trial deals who can play NRL after round 10..all playing State Cup they could also be promoted to the NRL squad at anytime..

Fuatimau mentioned as a bolter by Nof for round 1 could point to an elevation replacing Hoffman.. though I don't take much stock in Nofoaluma's opinions..
 
Geo said:
With Players who are on Train and trial deals eligible to play NRL now same as development players it's not that much difference..

We have Ben Stevanovic, Billy Stapleton, Christian Ma’anaima, Iverson Fuatimau, Junior Pauga, Liam Scolari, Logen Dillon, Rua Ngatikaura, Tom Freebairn. all on Train and trial deals who can play NRL after round 10..all playing State Cup they could also be promoted to the NRL squad at anytime..

Fuatimau mentioned as a bolter by Nof for round 1 could point to an elevation replacing Hoffman.. though I don't take much stock in Nofoaluma's opinions..
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out of that crop I feel Scolari and Dillon are definite first graders, and there's every chance Ma'anaima, Rua and Fuatimau end up there at some point. the only issue is T&T offers minimal security, and if another club comes knocking with a more secure deal we're in some strife.
 
Geo said:
With Players who are on Train and trial deals eligible to play NRL now same as development players it's not that much difference..

We have Ben Stevanovic, Billy Stapleton, Christian Ma’anaima, Iverson Fuatimau, Junior Pauga, Liam Scolari, Logen Dillon, Rua Ngatikaura, Tom Freebairn. all on Train and trial deals who can play NRL after round 10..all playing State Cup they could also be promoted to the NRL squad at anytime..

Fuatimau mentioned as a bolter by Nof for round 1 could point to an elevation replacing Hoffman.. though I don't take much stock in Nofoaluma's opinions..
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Train and Trialists are also up for grabs aren't they?
They're not actually under contract at the club....
 
batboy said:
Train and Trialists are also up for grabs aren't they?
They're not actually under contract at the club....
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There is no set number...introduced last year due to covid..players can stay on them for the season if necessary.. play after Round 10 in 2022 at this stage.. last year they could play from the start..they are not NRL contracted players.. it is the level above a State Cup contract..it's similar to the old 2nd tier cap system..

Pauga played for us last year without being elevated to the NRL top squad..if they play part of their salary is factored into the Cap..

I suspect it will be similar this year if Clubs are hit by covid outbreaks..
 
tigerballs said:
Yep. It takes a particular type to play NRL. I think Pole is too small for NRL, taking into account his age. Same with the second rowers on development contracts. Some can make a top 30 but when we're talking outstanding talent, there's a certain physical element that separates the men from the boys. How many Australian schoolboys make the NRL? Very few when you consider these were the elite juniors. There's a special talent in separating the wheat from the chaff.
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I believe the "particular type" of player is evolving at the moment and more hastily due to the rule and interchange changes, with sheer size no longer providing the same benefits. Unless of course such stature is coupled with speed, explosiveness or ball playing abilities.

Might be wrong, but expect it to develop further as the season progresses.
 
Size still matters though. Even half backs are huge now. Comparing the two #1 7s from their eras, we see:

Allan Langer:
Height165 cm (5 ft 5 in)
Weight76 kg (12 st 0 lb; 168 lb)

Nathan Cleary:
Height182 cm (6 ft 0 in)
Weight92 kg (14 st 7 lb)

That's a fair chunk of difference.
 
Geo said:
There is no set number...introduced last year due to covid..players can stay on them for the season if necessary.. play after Round 10 in 2022 at this stage.. last year they could play from the start..they are not NRL contracted players.. it is the level above a State Cup contract..it's similar to the old 2nd tier cap system..

Pauga played for us last year without being elevated to the NRL top squad..if they play part of their salary is factored into the Cap..

I suspect it will be similar this year if Clubs are hit by covid outbreaks..
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I'm aware of the set up, and I understand what you're saying...
What I'm saying, Is players signed to development deals, Are signed.
Train and trial players - What stops another club signing them?
They're not signed as such.... To my knowledge?
 
batboy said:
I'm aware of the set up, and I understand what you're saying...
What I'm saying, Is players signed to development deals, Are signed.
Train and trial players - What stops another club signing them?
They're not signed as such.... To my knowledge?
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Nothing.. but being on a development deal doesn't stop other Clubs signing players either..Laurie was on a development contract at the Panthers when we signed him..
 
tiger_scott said:
Size still matters though. Even half backs are huge now. Comparing the two #1 7s from their eras, we see:

Allan Langer:
Height165 cm (5 ft 5 in)
Weight76 kg (12 st 0 lb; 168 lb)

Nathan Cleary:
Height182 cm (6 ft 0 in)
Weight92 kg (14 st 7 lb)

That's a fair chunk of difference.
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Wow I would've thought Alf was heavier than that, he was a chunky unit.
Cleary's alien head would weigh 30kg on its own.
 
Geo said:
Nothing.. but being on a development deal doesn't stop other Clubs signing players either..Laurie was on a development contract at the Panthers when we signed him..
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A development contract is annual, like a nrl contract. So they can't just get up and go mid season, without the club releasing them.

I think Train and trial are monthly contracts and have the ability to be annulled with immediate effect if there's an NRL contract offer.
 
Geo said:
Nothing.. but being on a development deal doesn't stop other Clubs signing players either..Laurie was on a development contract at the Panthers when we signed him..
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Well, That's a moot point - No contract ever seems to stop anyone from ending up somewhere else.
Didn't we sign Laurie for the years after his contract and then agitate a release (Swap Momo) To get him earlier?
Either way, If we have prospects signed to Development deals, That contract is under the same negotiation limitations as all contracts. Young fellas on Train and Trial can be gone anywhere, anytime....

My point is, We tie up hopefuls to these contracts (Usually with not much output)
- When other clubs tie up guys with NRL experience on the same contracts.
Wouldn't surprise me if Naiqama is on one at the Roosters??

Maybe we can better use these Spots / Contracts...
 
You seem to know a bit about development players and system batboy, I know where to go for some info now 👍
 
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