Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Cobarcats said:
It's weird how we all see things differently.
I thought Gards was good for the club. Got the young fellas up in a grandfinal and nearly got a win in controversial circumstances when Noddy got COVID.
I was amazed he didn't get the gig when madge was released.
I'm hoping this experiment going forward will work. If it does it could be skies the limit.... if it doesn't I don't think we'll be surprised.
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I was very surprised he didn't get the gig over Noddy, he should've been the walk up starter.
I don't think he is a terrible coach, he has some talent.
However I don't rate him as high as others do because of how much of decline we have been over the years which he has played a part in & how bad a coached team we have looked.
 
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tony soprano said:
Spooners can't knock back good players. The article today made the club look stupid (if true)
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It shouldn't matter about Moses. Why annoys me is that the board or whoever is getting involved in the future coach plans.already. this is the same people that have gone through 5-6 coaches in the last few years.

Fair dinkum they should just pick the coach then put a sock in it.
 
SeanT said:
It shouldn't matter about Moses. Why annoys me is that the board or whoever is getting involved in the future coach plans.already. this is the same people that have gone through 5-6 coaches in the last few years.

Fair dinkum they should just pick the coach then put a sock in it.
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DT latest report said its not true.
 
jadtiger said:
The "Sheens walks on water brigade" will blame Madge and everybody else rather than admit it was his ineptitude which allowed players to leave mid season and not replace them.Sheens has his paws all over the wooden spoon as do many others.2023 will probably be the biggest manure fight our club has ever had,in some ways i wish that i was not around to see it but i support and love my club and will still be there despite my expectations
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Fully agree, Sheens allowed the spoon to happen. Sure they will say their focus is on next year and beyond which I have no doubts would take a bucket load of time however they didn't support Noddy how they should've. I know Noddy says he knew what he signed up for but no matter how they spin it, it was a shocking move all round.

I don't agree with Sheens being coach & Benji coming in afterwards just feels like groundhog day which we have done before but this time round he just won't reap the benefits + with a rookie coach it has never worked here.

Re Madge, loved his enthusiasm but his time was up our mode of operation was declining even further the longer he was running the side. Our structures and results are impacted by various things but he just wasn't delivering. He & his staff however shouldn't have been the only one's exited as our continued decline over the last few years are across the board.
 
twentyforty said:
It is very unfair to hang the spoon on Madge, particularly when he had no control over that outcome.
We were told the season was a write off as we sent players to other clubs. Gardiner had to go too, because he showed some coaching talent.
If we get the spoon again in 23 will that be on Madge as well?
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The season was gone, done and dusted while Maguire was at the helm. Our trajectory under Maguire was down.
 
pawsandclaws1 said:
The season was gone, done and dusted while Maguire was at the helm. Our trajectory under Maguire was down.
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2 points:-

1. It's hard to blame our current status on Madge. I think he made significant improvements in our recruitment and maybe even retention. Signing players like IP and Api may mean we were on the up.
2. Sheens decisions made us a significantly worse team this year. I don't think we get the spoon if Madge was retained and Luc and Nofo weren't released to other clubs.

At the same time Madge didn't get us to the finals and it's hard to retain the role if you aren't at least doing that.

We'll have to see what happens next season and the seasons following this one. I think we have a good number of juniors coming through and a decent team and cap position to build around.

If Sheens is actually making good decisions and he along with Benji and Robbie are better coaches than Madge we should make significant improvements.

We have to wait and see what happens.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
Fully agree, Sheens allowed the spoon to happen. Sure they will say their focus is on next year and beyond which I have no doubts would take a bucket load of time however they didn't support Noddy how they should've. I know Noddy says he knew what he signed up for but no matter how they spin it, it was a shocking move all round.

I don't agree with Sheens being coach & Benji coming in afterwards just feels like groundhog day which we have done before but this time round he just won't reap the benefits + with a rookie coach it has never worked here.

Re Madge, loved his enthusiasm but his time was up our mode of operation was declining even further the longer he was running the side. Our structures and results are impacted by various things but he just wasn't delivering. He & his staff however shouldn't have been the only one's exited as our continued decline over the last few years are across the board.
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I don't get the ground hog day comments when we've tried the other coach approach the past 10 years.

Sheens Marshall is a different approach.

Wouldn't it be ground hog day if they keept going through coaches?
 
Jedi_Tiger said:
NRL players union are pushing for 500k exemptions for long service players in the collective bargaining agreement
If that gets approved then I can see why Sheens is keen on keeping Brooks if it can shave 500k off the cap
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that would mean a Brooks contract for 2024 worth 650k is only worth 150k to the salary cap
we would be stupid to not sign him
 
pawsandclaws1 said:
The season was gone, done and dusted while Maguire was at the helm. Our trajectory under Maguire was down.
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Maguire was a dead man walking before the season started. Even after he was gone we still had 12 games to play.
We have made the playoffs 3 times from 23 seasons. We have always been a bottom 8 side with a minute period of success, it shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone who learns that we sacked the coach who gave us that success. You can pull out any trajectory you like, but I’m surprised the Maguire coached team got as many wins, given the state of the cap he inherited and the club’s reputation for mismanagement.
 
tony soprano said:
DT latest report said its not true.
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Mighty_Tiger said:
Fully agree, Sheens allowed the spoon to happen. Sure they will say their focus is on next year and beyond which I have no doubts would take a bucket load of time however they didn't support Noddy how they should've. I know Noddy says he knew what he signed up for but no matter how they spin it, it was a shocking move all round.

I don't agree with Sheens being coach & Benji coming in afterwards just feels like groundhog day which we have done before but this time round he just won't reap the benefits + with a rookie coach it has never worked here.

Re Madge, loved his enthusiasm but his time was up our mode of operation was declining even further the longer he was running the side. Our structures and results are impacted by various things but he just wasn't delivering. He & his staff however shouldn't have been the only one's exited as our continued decline over the last few years are across the board.
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I’m not sure Sheens really allowed the sooon to happen. Was a combination of both inexperienced coaching and shocking injury toll.
I find it hard to believe he’s that egotistical to want the club to hit the pits.
Anyway, as I keep repeating, what’s done is done and only next season counts in the short term and then on to 25 in the longer term.
Let’s revisit this after half a dozen games next year.
 
As much as I would love to have either Moses or Munster the reality is they would cost a major part of our salary cap , and we need them type of players but we grunt up front before anything else , we could get two backrowers for the price of one of them
 
Jedi_Tiger said:
that would mean a Brooks contract for 2024 worth 650k is only worth 150k to the salary cap
we would be stupid to not sign him
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Or Nofo is free. Let's see if Brooks stays or not and if he performs.

The only spine players we have that ideally we retain are Api (we already have him for 3 season) and Hastings. Brooks, Laurie and Douieihi all failed to perform up to the required standard of first graders this season. Doueihi was the worst out of the lot but he was coming back from an ACL and he probably has the most upside out of all of them.

It's tempting to low ball all of them and if they stay at least we are getting value for money. For instance Doueihi should probably be offered a contract as a decent NRL centre. $650k sounds too much for Doueihi and too much for Brooks and Laurie as well.

Is Hastings even worth that money ?

I'm actually fine with our forwards (excluding an edge backrower) and outside backs. Sure if we can get a good deal or recruit marquee talent in those positions we should do it.

I think our big problem is our spine and the players in those positions were in general poor.
 
1. Daine Laurie
2. David Nofaluma
3. AD (rough patch but great player)
4.
5. Ken Mamalolo
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7.
8. Stefano Utoikamano
9. Api
10. Joffa
11.
12. Isiah Papalili
13. Jackson Hastings

14. Shawn Blore
15. Fonua Pole
16. Alex Twal
17. Justin Matamua

Fill in the gaps of some quality players and we can compete imo
 
teddy23 said:
1. Daine Laurie
2. David Nofaluma
3. AD (rough patch but great player)
4.
5. Ken Mamalolo
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7.
8. Stefano Utoikamano
9. Api
10. Joffa
11.
12. Isiah Papalili
13. Jackson Hastings

14. Shawn Blore
15. Fonua Pole
16. Alex Twal
17. Justin Matamua

Fill in the gaps of some quality players and we can compete imo
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Munster and Moses halves combination??

We have heavy heavy salary to throw - may as well hunt for the big fish
 
tiger_one said:
Spine?
Forwards?
The truth is out there.
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It's interesting. I view our problem as the spine and one edge backrower and depth.

Put it this way I don't think we'll improve unless Brooks, Laurie and Doueihi play significantly better consistently. They can all put in the occasional cracking game but they all fail to perform consistently.
 
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