TigerNeddyK
Well-known member
No more Luke brooks intellect players please .. May looks a lot smarter than that to me !
Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion
- Thread starter MacDougall
- Start date
yeahcaz
Well-known member
has to be used how the dogs used Kurt Mann this last season who’s also had injury dramas throughout his career.
40 odd impact minutes in the middle. He’ll absolutely get injured playing 80 on an edge every week, god help us if we’ve signed him as a centre
I’m not so sure. If he is soo keen on staying at the Broncos he will be pushing hard to get a new deal/ and not in a rush to do it either.wouldn’t surprise me if we still sign him for 2026 but still doesn’t fix it in the short term.
X marks spot as Broncos keep Hetherington
Brisbane forward Kobe Hetherington's manager has explained why new coach Michael Maguire refused a release.www.aapnews.com.au
yeahcaz
Well-known member
How many more sin bins did we have than the 2nd most team genuinely. You’d think we’d improve next season solely of the fact we surely couldn’t get as many sin bins again
851
Well-known member
As it stands now yes, but right side secondrow with no Bateman is still an issue, not sure Seyfarth is the long term option there, but I am hopeful he keeps improving
Kelce68
Well-known member
Yep.
Fitness is a cop out. That's not to say it's (obviously) not fundamentally important, but it's (more often than not) not the key reason teams struggle.
Execution x talent wins football games.
Execution plays into defence just as much as attack. It's a jammer being covered on the sweep, it's the centre making the correct read, it's harmonious connection between the entire edge, it's a unified line both during the set and on kick-chase, it's diffusing the vast majority of kicks, it's a blocker or escort not missing their assignment, it's knowing when to pressure playmakers and when to hold off, it's being effective at first contact, it's controlling the player on the way to ground effectively in order to get your markers and defensive line set etc.
And in attack, it's the obvious stuff. Be better connected, take your chances, make sure passes stick, decoys hitting side shoulders, etc., all that good stuff we know. But it includes discipline as you mentioned.
The fittest teams can fail to execute and go longer without it affecting the game as much. But the best teams tilt the game in their favour through execution on both sides of the ball and rarely need to dig deep in order to stay in the game. It seemed a weekly occurrence from us.
All NRL preseasons do a sufficient job at preparing their players for the rigours of the season-proper. Then, once we're 6-8 rounds in, match fitness takes over and teams (not individuals) are largely congruent in their overall fitness levels.
If that wasn't the case, we would expect to see teams who have no ball and are run ragged in the early rounds, start to dominate from a fitness perspective as the season wears on, simply due to the fact that they'd have been asked to do so much more in-game work than other sides, therefore improving their fitness.
But we don't.
Execution x talent wins football games.
Last edited:
jrtiger
Well-known member
do you think he can deal with playing 60 mins week to week in the middle?
jrtiger
Well-known member
there’s not much doing. he’s probably the best on the market for what we need.
furthermore it’s a good signing. he’s proven in first grade, a defensively minded 13 with high legspeed and is ready to take the next step in his career as he enters his prime.
there’s guys like Duncan, Butcher, Brandon Smith and McInnes on the market but I think there’s less questions around Kobe than any of those I mentioned.
Kelce68
Well-known member
I know you're a fan and I trust your judgement.
My concern, and I don't think that's the right word, is the height of his ceiling and whether or not he solves some of our fundamental problems, long-term.
Short term, absolutely.
jrtiger
Well-known member
I think he’s one of those guys Richardson constantly speaks of that is a known, solid commodity that does his job week-to-week.
doesn’t have a high ceiling, sure, but you build the flair, impact and x-factor around him.
Kelce68
Well-known member
That's the $2005 question isn't it mate?
magpies forever
Well-known member
Yeah, I would like to see him sign with WT early for 2026 so we know and can then look to do some deal for 2025 but I suspect the reasoning you say is more likely. Delay for him to see how 2025 goes with Broncos. Nothing wrong with wanting to stay in QLD / Brisbane if you like it and want to. Surely moving interstate for career is somewhat of a last option.
Kelce68
Well-known member
It's a fair argument. And the best teams are built on those types of players.
The key there is what we put around him as you said.
I can see him slotting into a number of well-built packs and doing a great job.
At the moment, with our pack looking the way it is, it's hard to see the forest for the trees in terms of where, when and how we're going to fill out the rest of the pack, so KH's value to our pack, as a prospective unit, is difficult to gauge.
As I said earlier though, he improves our pack immediately, regardless of longer-term plans.
Myself personally while I may be critical on here at times it doesn't mean I don't have hope for next year... And I'd say we all do otherwise why would we still be here.
The beauty of sport is that 2% of you just never know
None of us are death riding him. We all want him to succeed it's just that many of us doubt that he can. Although you are right in that we don't know what happens at training and if he can actually coach there is solid foundations for those doubts. He lacks experience. He has been involved in the coaching of 2 spoons. He couldn't get the best out of any of the senior players and a known conflict with at least one. Couldn't convince Utoikamanu or Papali'i there was a future here with other lesser names also walking out and even more not committing their future here.
Of course there is the chance that despite the optics he could become a great coach and turn the club around. It seems unlikely and there is nothing wrong with stating that. However unlikely we may believe it to be, it doesn't mean we don't hope that he can.
Betterdays22
Well-known member
Have you totally drawn a line through Matamua jr? Keeping in mind he is only 21 and I know we need someone for the now but I thought he showed glimpses last year. We didn't have the luxury of a ball playing lock considering how consistently we were getting rolled in attack and defence. Needs to add more tenacity aggression in his running game and tackling but I think he can be a useful player IF we nab 1 or 2 more decent props and our outside backs yardage game is as promised.
You've watched way more of him through the juniors and for the magpies than me, is he a lost cause?
For every point/ argument directed at Benji -Maguire experienced coach" suffered equal level of criticism - failing to improve the squad past it, over trained, old school blah blah. And who you ever support or don't support between the two the old "yeah but he had a stronger squad arguement comes up"
The issue is the lack of quality first and foremost in the team and the loser mentality that is ingrained throughout the whole club including off the field - history will show prior to Maguire/ Benji that attracting and retaining players is difficult and we have a talent for lumping our coaches with dud contracts that are near impossible to offload.
The issue is the lack of quality first and foremost in the team and the loser mentality that is ingrained throughout the whole club including off the field - history will show prior to Maguire/ Benji that attracting and retaining players is difficult and we have a talent for lumping our coaches with dud contracts that are near impossible to offload.
Staff online
-
DempsModerator