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The Point seems to be missed here...

We bought Luai to be the man, Luai came here to be the man...
Now we just offered huge money to a bloke to come have Luai play under him.
It's NOT a back up plan, It's a complete change in direction.
What does that tell Luai about the clubs direction and belief in him?
(All previously well sold, I'm sure)

If I was top class, at the top of my game at my job
and my boss was looking to buy an old bloke on his last legs to come in over me,
I'd certainly be reassessing my options - Especially if I had as many as Luai does.
(And all the contract options to go along with those options)
It’s a good point.
Looks like Benji is agreeing with the comments Ivan Cleary made a few years back
 

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The Point seems to be missed here...

We bought Luai to be the man, Luai came here to be the man...
Now we just offered huge money to a bloke to come have Luai play under him.
It's NOT a back up plan, It's a complete change in direction.
What does that tell Luai about the clubs direction and belief in him?
(All previously well sold, I'm sure)

If I was top class, at the top of my game at my job
and my boss was looking to buy an old bloke on his last legs to come in over me,
I'd certainly be reassessing my options - Especially if I had as many as Luai does.
(And all the contract options to go along with those options)
I don’t know how the Reynolds approach was handled internally but I just can’t see Richo and Benji disrespecting Luai like that. I think they have enough sense to have spoken to Luai and only moved forward once they were comfortable he was on board with the plan. 🤷‍♂️
 
The Point seems to be missed here...

We bought Luai to be the man, Luai came here to be the man...
Now we just offered huge money to a bloke to come have Luai play under him.
It's a back up plan, It's a complete change in direction.
What does that tell Luai about the clubs direction and belief in him?
(All previously well sold, I'm sure)

If I was top class, at the top of my game at my job
and my boss was looking to buy an old bloke on his last legs to come in over me,
I'd certainly be reassessing my options - Especially if I had as many as Luai does.
(And all the options to go along with those options)
Good players want to play with good players they know they can't do it alone - the very reason why we can't retain many of the players we want to keep - aka your man Brooks.
We know Luai is a confident bloke but he also knows what it takes to win a premiership and that means surrounding yourself with the right players instead of throwing good players to the wolves and expecting them to have all the answers - or backing teenagers not yet ready.
For every fan who doesn't rate Reynolds there is one that does and for two years on more than reasonable money it's hardly outrage stuff.
 
Good players want to play with good players they know they can't do it alone - the very reason why we can't retain many of the players we want to keep - aka your man Brooks.
We know Luai is a confident bloke but he also knows what it takes to win a premiership and that means surrounding yourself with the right players instead of throwing good players to the wolves and expecting them to have all the answers - or backing teenagers not yet ready.
For every fan who doesn't rate Reynolds there is one that does and for two years on more than reasonable money it's hardly outrage stuff.

Are you insinuating I don't rate him?
Where did I say that...

I rate him,
But also would bet the current halves at the club (And their Management)
raised eyebrows at such an approach.
 
It just seemed like a very odd decision when we have so much invested already in our halves, monetarily with Luai and with young guys like Fainu and Mason. The halves for us aren’t exactly a priority when we are short on middles and a strike centre. The fact they won’t pursue DCE or any other established halfback makes it even more odd. Especially given how vocal Richo and Benji have been about being very selective with who they want to bring the club, If you are being selective, you don’t make reactionary decisions like that. It’s almost like they just wanted a win in the player market after being rejected by a teenager.
 
If he goes on the market he’s possibly the first $1.5m player.

2nd best halfback in the comp and only 21.
Even with Dodds 750k Souths will still need to free up more funds, 750k would be way unders, I'd imagine 1.1 -1.2 million a season would be what he would be on.
 
Are you insinuating I don't rate him?
Where did I say that...

I rate him,
But also would bet the current halves at the club (And their Management)
raised eyebrows at such an approach.
I'm not insinuating anything about you rating or not rating Luai.
What is wrong with approaching the best players that are available to strengthen your squad - especially a three peat wooden spoon squad who just lost one of the most hyped juniors in history to a club that continues to raid other clubs to strengthen its position and is doing a pretty good job of it

Luai has come from an environment where he was surrounded by quality. The best teams have the best players that's what wins you premierships and if you could get Reynolds /Luai combo at 750k a season for two years - to replace Galvin - you mighten see it as good business but I'd say there would be plenty who do.
 
I'm not insinuating anything about you rating or not rating Luai.
What is wrong with approaching the best players that are available to strengthen your squad - especially a three peat wooden spoon squad who just lost one of the most hyped juniors in history to a club that continues to raid other clubs to strengthen its position and is doing a pretty good job of it

Luai has come from an environment where he was surrounded by quality. The best teams have the best players that's what wins you premierships and if you could get Reynolds /Luai combo at 750k a season for two years - to replace Galvin - you mighten see it as good business but I'd say there would be plenty who do.
I think he made it clear why it was wrong. It goes against everything we had planned for Luai. It’s an acknowledgment that him leading the team has been a failure and we need to go in a different direction.
 
I think he made it clear why it was wrong. It goes against everything we had planned for Luai. It’s an acknowledgment that him leading the team has been a failure and we need to go in a different direction.
You think he can't lead a team with strengthened squad? It's about building a better football team around him. It's got nothing to do about questioning his ability to lead.
 
Someone was saying that players like Bateman, kelmmer and Sullivan can contribute toward the number required pre 30june.. can't remember if it was here or on a podcast.
It's now been on here a number of times, not sure where else you may have seen but it appears to be the correct interpretation.

Personally I was hoping to get a couple of signings before June 30 that would hopefully improve our squad right now and develop some combinations in real game time situations prior to next season.
 
The Point seems to be missed here...

We bought Luai to be the man, Luai came here to be the man...
Now we just offered huge money to a bloke to come have Luai play under him.
It's NOT a back up plan, It's a complete change in direction.
What does that tell Luai about the clubs direction and belief in him?
(All previously well sold, I'm sure)

If I was top class, at the top of my game at my job
and my boss was looking to buy an old bloke on his last legs to come in over me,
I'd certainly be reassessing my options - Especially if I had as many as Luai does.
(And all the contract options to go along with those options)
True, but do you believe Luai’s overall kicking game and 5th tackle options have been at an acceptable level for someone getting paid 1.3 million dollars per season ?
Without an above average kicking game the team and its results will suffer, so we have to either rely on Luai making a big improvement in this area, or we have tj find someone scale that can and shift him back to 5/8.
 
True, but do you believe Luai’s overall kicking game and 5th tackle options have been at an acceptable level for someone getting paid 1.3 million dollars per season ?
Without an above average kicking game the team and its results will suffer, so we have to either rely on Luai making a big improvement in this area, or we have tj find someone scale that can and shift him back to 5/8.

Nope,
But that has little to do with the ramifications of buying over the top of him,
When that was not the directive when signing him.

But now you mention it,
Do you think he's getting the time and space required to play off the Front foot from the Middle Forwards?
Do you believe he's getting the edge threats he should be from the Back Rowers?
There's more to a kicking game than a boot to a ball...

Do you think - It's fair negotiation for the club to basically look to replace him in the job he was bought (and sold) here to do for the next 2 years
- After 12 games only in a new (and young) team that's had it's share of challenges....
 
True, but do you believe Luai’s overall kicking game and 5th tackle options have been at an acceptable level for someone getting paid 1.3 million dollars per season ?
Without an above average kicking game the team and its results will suffer, so we have to either rely on Luai making a big improvement in this area, or we have tj find someone scale that can and shift him back to 5/8.

What Luai has brought to the club culture wise is worth 2 million+ a season. There are plenty of clubs out there who would love what we currently have in this regard..

I am confident the kicking game will come in good time.
 
I know Luai came to us to be our Batman,but he's still playing the Robin role a bit.

Cleary may be somewhat right with his comments.

He's going alright,still plays the same role he did at penrith.Same trick shots,
that had more success at penrith. I think his confidence wouldn't as high with us now,as of the
start of the year.Though I think another offseason will do him good.

I've been watching some old panther games to get a gauge on Taylan May but was noticing
Luai more. Whilst he's good with a good left side to help him he loves to draw attention and
run a switch. At penrith he'd flick it to Cleary with Edwards wrapping around creating the overlap and
had good finishers like Sunny etc. We aren't there yet but I can see why we are looking at a half
given Latu not being on the field much. I think Latu can do the job if he can stay on the field.
Bula would have to be ready for the switch more.At the moment it's going to May(was galvin) and
we're hitting it up. More comes down to coaching and positional play with players in motion.
We don't play deep enough when he switches it and are too flat footed. We'll get better as a team
when we play to Luai's strengths and have Latu out there more. Taylan on Luai's hip with skelton
and Latu,bula,KPP and sunny for a switch could get better with time to me. I can see why they went
for Reynolds.Wouldn't complain if we inquired about DCE either,he'd help our general kicking
game too.I do think Latu is the future for us though.

In saying that,Storm showed us we need to focus on our middle more. Which is a game within itself.
Api's a weapon just wished we had better middles around him.
 

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