Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Dennisspicer1]

I agree with what you are saying.
If our only option is to pair Luai and Latu in the halves, Luai needs to wear the 7 and take control, not leave it to a young rookie in Latu.

Luai is a five eight,
Not a half back.

 

[clontarfkid]

he’s gonna debut for the cows game

Id like to take a peek at him real soon,which will give us a better perspective on how much we need Toa
Im presuming May gets resigned
But a game or two in Reggies...then the real deal

 

[clontarfkid]

Do you have any other info for us Kade?

Who the big fish is we’re supposedly hunting for next season?

Gotta be careful in any conversation that involves Isaac Moses and the noun "facts"..because they are mutually exclusive
Having said that,ADS recent performances are worth more than the $350 weve allegedly offered

 

[liltiger]

It always amazes me to hear people talking about a draft as if that's something that would be positive for the Tigers - I assume it's just because we've been crap for so long that people start to assume any other system would have to be better. Literally the one advantage this club should have going for it is a massive junior catchment area, which a draft would immediately render irrelevant. All a draft would mean is that we'd be competing with the bigger, richer clubs without any edge.

The reason why the AFL draft sort of works isn't the draft itself but the incredibly restrictive contracts players coming into the league are put under. You can't be an unrestricted free agent in the AFL until you have been at a club for eight years and even then if you're in the top earners on a list your current club has the right to match any offer. People might want the NRL to introduce similar rules but it's never going to happen - for one thing, severely restricting the earnings capabilities of young league players would just reopen the talent drain to union, in Australia or offshore. The AFL doesn't have this concern.

And despite all that, the AFL still has lousy clubs down at the bottom year after year and big names more or less perpetually at the top. Yes, when players force a trade to a preferred club their current club gets draft picks. But they just get used on more young talent that then leaves.

Basically, what would happen in a draft would be a turbocharged version of what happens now. Bad teams like the Tigers would get the best talent at 18 years old (assuming we don't make a balls up of our picks, which, hmm), would give it first grade experience up until more or less exactly the point at which it starts to really flourish... and then lose it to bigger teams. The difference would be that instead of having the chance to supplement your Galvins and Makasinis - top five draft picks - with a heap of 30-50 pick equivalents, all the lower picks go to the teams that are also doing the poaching.

Basically, building a system like Penrith or Canberra would become impossible because the talent all gets artificially shared round at 18. At this point there's no purpose for a club to invest in pathways and juniors. The NRL itself has no interest in long-term planning so grassroots rugby league would get starved of funding.

Basically, a draft would be terrible for the game and terrible for clubs like the Tigers. It's a dreadful idea and one that ought to be sealed in concrete and dropped in the ocean.

Right because a salary cap system that was designed to work in conjunction with a draft would be worse than that same salary cap system that has a hard cap but allows unlimited 3rd party arrangements. Kent was saying on his podcast he knows of currently 6 clubs breaking the salary cap to varying degrees from minor to massively.
The Galvin situation for instance, in order to let him break contract early and go to the Bulldogs, they would have to negotiate with us. More than likely we would have gotten their first round draft pick as compensation in next year's draft. So next year we would have pick no 6 and pick no 14 in the first round if we finished as we are now. That would compensate us a lot more than 150k.
To say the system only works because the clubs at the bottom are poorly run is an assumption we don't know for sure, as we don't have the added 3rd party funds to build a team like the top teams atm. How can an salary cap work if there are allowed to be unlimited dollars thrown at players outside of it. It's insane. The theory of players at clubs taking unders to stay togeather is garbage. It's only unders on the salary cap but the rest is topped up by 3rd parties. The system works if you have access to them otherwise your struggling to compete.
To suggest the afl draft system would be worse than what we have now is silly.

 

[Dennisspicer1]

Here’s the highlights from that game I’m still waiting to see the

rain.

Had a look at your video,
And apologise, don't know what game I was thinking of then, irrespective we beat them, and yep it was wet,
So we only won because the Doggies got wet.

 

[hodgo]

We do this as fans alot. Win a game player x plays well, need to retain him at all costs, player plays 3 good games a year.

We cant keep doing this if we want to improve. For the record I love Ad and his attitude, but he has been here for x amount of years and last sat defintaely isnt the norm. If he can reproduce that for the rest of the season sure bump up the value but i would want to see it.

We have carried AD on a good contract for a fair few years with little to show. Ideally he gets the chance and rips it up for the rest of the year but we cant sign him up for 1 good game at a position we may not even want him to play long term.

Toa is the same im hoping his fall from form is the busted shoulder but his track record says this is him. I hope its not because he has been electric at times this year but he is every year.

 

[Tiger Tarl]

Finally got some crumbs re. Doueihi's contract talks. So Dragon's offer is still at $400k for 2 seasons (not $500k as some reported). Our Offer is now at $350k for 2 seasons. If Doueihi extends with us, then he doesn't have to pay Moses commission. If he goes with Dragons then he pays Moses 8% commission, which is $32k, ostensibly making his salary $368k per year at the Dragons. For the sake of $18k, I think he stays. Probably could get a third party to cover that anyway as a local junior... My only concern is if he gets offended by Richo refusing to budge on the price.

 

[weststigers]

We do this as fans alot. Win a game player x plays well, need to retain him at all costs, player plays 3 good games a year.

We cant keep doing this if we want to improve. For the record I love Ad and his attitude, but he has been here for x amount of years and last sat defintaely isnt the norm. If he can reproduce that for the rest of the season sure bump up the value but i would want to see it.

We have carried AD on a good contract for a fair few years with little to show. Ideally he gets the chance and rips it up for the rest of the year but we cant sign him up for 1 good game at a position we may not even want him to play long term.

Toa is the same im hoping his fall from form is the busted shoulder but his track record says this is him. I hope its not because he has been electric at times this year but he is every year.

Unless you're To'a...then even if you play well you need to be released immediately

 

[Tcat]

Finally got some crumbs re. Doueihi's contract talks. So Dragon's offer is still at $400k for 2 seasons (not $500k as some reported). Our Offer is now at $350k for 2 seasons. If Doueihi extends with us, then he doesn't have to pay Moses commission. If he goes with Dragons then he pays Moses 8% commission, which is $32k, ostensibly making his salary $368k per year at the Dragons. For the sake of $18k, I think he stays. Probably could get a third party to cover that anyway as a local junior... My only concern is if he gets offended by Richo refusing to budge on the price.

Bump our offer up and match it. Just get it done. There's more upside than downside with his versatility.

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

Well yeah...not saying it's a threat...but, with the right conditions, some players will defect. There's also a lot of players in AU, NZ and SA that come from a rugby background and may stay in the game. League does get a lot of players that have played both games believe it or not.

It's never a threat in the beginning. It's usually a slow erosion over time if they're not careful.

You don't have to tell me there's a lot of players that that play both codes growing up, did it myself back when Methuselah was a boy, also got 2 sons that did the same as did a few of their mates.Every weekend was a logistical nightmare ferrying a car load of young blokes from game to game. I just don't it'll end up being a major issue, but who knows I'm old to admit I've wrong before and I'll probably be wrong again only time will tell. Cheers

 

[weststigers]

You don't have to tell me there's a lot of players that that play both codes growing up, did it myself back when Methuselah was a boy, also got 2 sons that did the same as did a few of their mates.Every weekend was a logistical nightmare ferrying a car load of young blokes from game to game. I just don't it'll end up being a major issue, but who knows I'm old to admit I've wrong before and I'll probably be wrong again only time will tell. Cheers

Yeah mate. It's a wait and see scenario. They key is to not be complacent.

On a different note...is it true you like Jazz?

 

[Tiger Stripes]

Finally got some crumbs re. Doueihi's contract talks. So Dragon's offer is still at $400k for 2 seasons (not $500k as some reported). Our Offer is now at $350k for 2 seasons. If Doueihi extends with us, then he doesn't have to pay Moses commission. If he goes with Dragons then he pays Moses 8% commission, which is $32k, ostensibly making his salary $368k per year at the Dragons. For the sake of $18k, I think he stays. Probably could get a third party to cover that anyway as a local junior... My only concern is if he gets offended by Richo refusing to budge on the price.

Finally some logic. Hope it is true. And after the tax man gets a bit of the extra.....not worth the upheaval?

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

Yeah mate. It's a wait and see scenario. They key is to not be complacent.

On a different note...is it true you like Jazz? Up

Yeah mate. It's a wait and see scenario. They key is to not be complacent.

On a different note...is it true you like Jazz?

Some jazz is cool, more of nod to" the only band that really matters" The Clash.

 

[liltiger]

Bump our offer up and match it. Just get it done. There's more upside than downside with his versatility.

360k for 2 years is a no brainer for him imo. I was reluctant to re-sign him. But if we bump our offer by 10k it's only 360k a year. That's nothing for his utility value.

 

[Roar_Power]

Bump our offer up and match it. Just get it done. There's more upside than downside with his versatility.

360k for 2 years is a no trainer for him imo. I was reluctant to re-sign him. But if we bump our offer by 10k it's only 360k a year. That's nothing for his utility value.

Would be great if we could get Jack Bird off the books; maybe a couple of years in the SL will pop up.

 

[Tiger_Yoshi]

Would be great if we could get Jack Bird off the books; maybe a couple of years in the SL will pop up.

Bird has 1 year left on his contract…hope he goes

 

[gregjm87]

One week before the Dogs played us in the wet,
They flogged Manly at Brooky 42 to 4 in an absolute torrential downpour,
Yet everyone is making the excuse for the Dogs not being able to play their normal open game due to the rain, and that was an advantage to the Tigers,

WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH.

Dogs normal game isn't 'open'. As I said in the post you replied to it is out working teams with mobility through the middle. Line speed, wrestle and discipline as well as footwork and to a lesser extent short passing at the line.

However you may also notice it was at Alliance. The ground conditions were recorded as good and the weather fine.

 

[gregjm87]

Had a look at your video,
And apologise, don't know what game I was thinking of then, irrespective we beat them, and yep it was wet,
So we only won because the Doggies got wet.

No. We did not only win because it was wet. The weather was a contributing factor in the win.

 

[innsaneink]

You don't have to tell me there's a lot of players that that play both codes growing up, did it myself back when Methuselah was a boy, also got 2 sons that did the same as did a few of their mates.Every weekend was a logistical nightmare ferrying a car load of young blokes from game to game. I just don't it'll end up being a major issue, but who knows I'm old to admit I've wrong before and I'll probably be wrong again only time will tell. Cheers

Yep been there too...we had so many between dundas shamrocks and dundas valley vikings,training times had to be worked on between the two some years ...lucky union was sat and.league sundays

 

[Westoz]

Mavrik Geyer 1 year deal