Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[hodgo]

Any chance of getting Averillo this year and how much less are we offering blore. It was reported he was on 450 at the storm ( i know we dont know whether thats true), that doesn't seem excessive for him.

 

[phil1986]

I can’t help it you missed the video which was shown for all to see.
Time was not mentioned, just money spent.
Whether that strategy has recently changed or not I don’t know, but we recently lost Monson Hopoate to the Bulldogs, so maybe not.

Richo was very clear about this when he left in an interview.

He mentioned that they had to flip this on its head.

Too many young kids on big money.

He confirmed they changed this approach.

 

[wstigers11]

Regardless of money spent tou still need the people makjng the recruitment decisions to know what they are doing.
As an example the Bulldogs thought having two 5/8’s in Galvin and Burton would be a good halves combination and they thought Bailey Hayward was a better number 9 than Reed Mahoney even though he had only spent minimal time playing there.
I don’t know if it is Gus or Ciraldo, but someone is off with the fairies.

Gus’ Penrith days repeating itself

 

[weststigers]

They don’t spend any more than Parra or Canterbury…it’s not just a matter of money …probably more the coaching expertise and a bit of luck getting a solid crop of juniors coming through together and holding onto them …

If you can't pay your development coaches a decent quid, what sort of coach are we getting and what commitment can we expect from them? Apparently our Cup coach is a part-timer?

 

[Vicious]

Richo was very clear about this when he left in an interview.

He mentioned that they had to flip this on its head.

Too many young kids on big money.

He confirmed they changed this approach.

That is correct and it makes a bit of sense, but we have some of our supporters complaining about us losing too many promising young kids.
I have been pointing out this is part of the reason why, just as much if not more so than lack of funding.

 

[Fish88]

Look at Ipap

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good to see the news about toa and blore come out

starford has interest from super league also, but the manly deal probably only option for nrl, parramatta did sniff but have gone cold

blore would prefer to come back to the tigers, money is the issue , st george happy to match current storm deal , tigers not willing to go that high

the narrative around samuela is silly we have the money, we are just looking to move on some contracts that have not worked out

If Blore's current deal is 450k that is not unreaonable. Sam F favoured position is in the middle so that could, or Blore could potentially play some middle. He's an out and out consistent first grader that improves our squad. He would be a good signing.

 

[Tom Shines]

If you can't pay your development coaches a decent quid, what sort of coach are we getting and what commitment can we expect from them? Apparently our Cup coach is a part-timer?

I’ve told you the WT owners are tight asses mate … that’s not changing I’m tipping .., so what’s the solution ?

 

[Tom Shines]

How does their spending compare then? You need the funding to have the best coaching expertise & resources for their development.

It’s not luck when they’ve lost players every year after winning competitions and replace them with ease. That’s the elite Jnr system they’ve set up working

but why don’t Parra and Canterbury have them same success ? Do you think they spend more than them?

 

[wstigers11]

but why don’t Parra and Canterbury have them same success ? Do you think they spend more than them?

You were the one telling me what they spend…

 

[Tom Shines]

You were the one telling me what they spend…

I understand they all spend around $5m a year each extra on top of the NRL grant on their football departments … if this is not the case than let me know …

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

good to see the news about toa and blore come out

starford has interest from super league also, but the manly deal probably only option for nrl, parramatta did sniff but have gone cold

blore would prefer to come back to the tigers, money is the issue , st george happy to match current storm deal , tigers not willing to go that high

the narrative around samuela is silly we have the money, we are just looking to move on some contracts that have not worked out

Somehow I feel if Starford goes to Manly, he would come good. I don't know what it is but Manly are somehow able to turn our rejects into capable first graders.

 

[jadtiger]

If Manly do their due diligence, not sure how he passes a medical though. So I guess we better be quiet about it lol

Manly owe us one because we took Peg Leg Ballin off them despite being aware he could probably never be fit enough to play football again.

 

[weststigers]

I’ve told you they are tight asses mate … that’s not changing I’m topping .., so what’s the solution ?

I was mainly responding to the idea that “it’s not just money, it’s probably coaching expertise.”

But when people say “it’s more about coaching expertise,” my question is: how do you attract and keep that expertise without properly funding it?

In the NRL, money doesn’t just mean buying players. The cap limits that.

Money buys the support around the cap:

• better assistant coaches
• better recruitment
• better pathways and junior development
• better rehab and high performance
• better football admin and list management

That’s the boring stuff good clubs seem to get right. And where we are not limited by a cap. It's up to us. We have to stop hoping one coach, one signing, or one freak crop of juniors fixes everything because it won't.

Money doesn't guarantee premierships and the Broncos don’t win every year. But strong resources usually keep you in the conversation more often than not.

The clubs with the strongest resources tend to sit around the top more often. It does not guarantee titles. It does not remove luck, injuries etc. and it doesn't mean every dollar is spent well. But over a long enough period, properly funded clubs usually have more margin for error than poorly resourced ones.

For the Tigers, the answer isn’t about reckless spending. It’s sustained investment in the football department and pathways over 5 to 10 years. I don't see any other way.

Otherwise we’re basically relying on:

• a miracle crop of juniors
• a freak player coming through/being signed
• the perfect coach that fixes everything
• A lot of luck going our way

That might happen once every few decades, but it's not a serious plan.

If you want a solution that doesn't involve added expense, then you and I are sitting in the same boat, fresh out of ideas. If they won’t fund the gap themselves, then they need to find someone who will, or build a structure so good that it can genuinely outperform richer clubs and I don't have the expertise to know how one would achieve such a thing with no money.

 

[wstigers11]

I was mainly responding to the idea that “it’s not just money, it’s probably coaching expertise.”

But when people say “it’s more about coaching expertise,” my question is: how do you attract and keep that expertise without properly funding it?

In the NRL, money doesn’t just mean buying players. The cap limits that.

Money buys the support around the cap:

• better assistant coaches
• better recruitment
• better pathways and junior development
• better rehab and high performance
• better football admin and list management

That’s the boring stuff good clubs seem to get right. And where we are not limited by a cap. It's up to us. We have to stop hoping one coach, one signing, or one freak crop of juniors fixes everything because it won't.

Money doesn't guarantee premierships and the Broncos don’t win every year. But strong resources usually keep you in the conversation more often than not.

The clubs with the strongest resources tend to sit around the top more often. It does not guarantee titles. It does not remove luck, injuries etc. and it doesn't mean every dollar is spent well. But over a long enough period, properly funded clubs usually have more margin for error than poorly resourced ones.

For the Tigers, the answer isn’t about reckless spending. It’s sustained investment in the football department and pathways over 5 to 10 years. I don't see any other way.

Otherwise we’re basically relying on:

• a miracle crop of juniors
• a freak player coming through/being signed
• the perfect coach that fixes everything
• A lot of luck going our way

That might happen once every few decades, but it's not a serious plan.

If you want a solution that doesn't involve added expense, then you and I are sitting in the same boat, fresh out of ideas. If they won’t fund the gap themselves, then they need to find someone who will, or build a structure so good that it can genuinely outperform richer clubs and I don't have the expertise to know how one would achieve such a thing with no money.

💯💯💯

 

[EllisFan]

That is correct and it makes a bit of sense, but we have some of our supporters complaining about us losing too many promising young kids.
I have been pointing out this is part of the reason why, just as much if not more so than lack of funding.

Lots of reasons kids would leave the club based on our history. Need to fix our FG side and all of a sudden most kids will want to stay put.

 

[Tom Shines]

I was mainly responding to the idea that “it’s not just money, it’s probably coaching expertise.”

But when people say “it’s more about coaching expertise,” my question is: how do you attract and keep that expertise without properly funding it?

In the NRL, money doesn’t just mean buying players. The cap limits that.

Money buys the support around the cap:

• better assistant coaches
• better recruitment
• better pathways and junior development
• better rehab and high performance
• better football admin and list management

That’s the boring stuff good clubs seem to get right. And where we are not limited by a cap. It's up to us. We have to stop hoping one coach, one signing, or one freak crop of juniors fixes everything because it won't.

Money doesn't guarantee premierships and the Broncos don’t win every year. But strong resources usually keep you in the conversation more often than not.

The clubs with the strongest resources tend to sit around the top more often. It does not guarantee titles. It does not remove luck, injuries etc. and it doesn't mean every dollar is spent well. But over a long enough period, properly funded clubs usually have more margin for error than poorly resourced ones.

For the Tigers, the answer isn’t about reckless spending. It’s sustained investment in the football department and pathways over 5 to 10 years. I don't see any other way.

Otherwise we’re basically relying on:

• a miracle crop of juniors
• a freak player coming through/being signed
• the perfect coach that fixes everything
• A lot of luck going our way

That might happen once every few decades, but it's not a serious plan.

If you want a solution that doesn't involve added expense, then you and I are sitting in the same boat, fresh out of ideas. If they won’t fund the gap themselves, then they need to find someone who will, or build a structure so good that it can genuinely outperform richer clubs and I don't have the expertise to know how one would achieve such a thing with no money.

I’m not going to disagree with you mate … just saying that money on its own is not the be all and end all …hence the comparison with Canterbury and Parramatta … its working for Penrith though without a doubt ..although really only the past 6-7 years in the main, whilst they have been big spenders a lot longer than that

The Tigers are never going to be in that league, so they are simply going to have to find another way to get it done

 

[weststigers]

but why don’t Parra and Canterbury have them same success ? Do you think they spend more than them?

Here is the latest financial report from Parra - it is $12 million or so on football related expenses. less than half of Brisbane. Everyone is focusing (incorrectly) on revenues....it's the expenses that matter here.

 

[EllisFan]

Here is the latest financial report from Parra - it is $12 million or so on football related expenses. less than half of Brisbane. Everyone is focusing (incorrectly) on revenues....it's the expenses that matter here.

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And probably not the ones that are in reports

 

[weststigers]

Here is the latest financial report from Parra - it is $12 million or so on football related expenses. less than half of Brisbane. Everyone is focusing (incorrectly) on revenues....it's the expenses that matter here.

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Holman Barnes has Football Expenses at 1.5 million - how do you even compete?

 

[gregjm87]

His comments were related to the kids promised top 30 contracts and getting paid before they had proven themselves or in some cases they proved they are not first grade talent yet we had to give them a contract because it was promised to them a year or two before. There are multiple examples of this and i believe Will Craig is thankfully the last one we will flush through the system.

I know for a fact that Gus is out there poaching the pick of the players and paying them good coin (for a 15 - 18yr old & outside of salary cap) to sign up in the Dogs junior system.

Everyone claims they know for a fact clubs are making payments outside the cap (and I believe they likely are). Why not report what you know, make it public knowledge and maybe have the NRL look into it?