Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Speed2burn]

He’s twice the attacking player Tino is. Tino is proving to be only mildly better than Staines. The Panthers know which players are worth losing and which ones aren’t. That also goes for a certain 5/8 who shall remain nameless.

Yes, I’ve acknowledged his attack is good. It’s his defense that has a huge question mark. Maybe the reason why only the ESL would look at him?

 

[Tom Shines]

We have had very little continuity in the halves the whole season and it shows.

Yes ..but it is what it is ….i think they need to see what Latu can bring to the table now because they need to decide whether to extend him and how much to pay him

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Yes, I’ve acknowledged his attack is good. It’s his defense that has a huge question mark. Maybe the reason why only the ESL would look at him?

It will do him good over there. He’s exposed too much at this level. Over there, he can easily dominate.

 

[Tom Shines]

He is simply not worth 450-500k.
As I say if we were paying him his true value of 300k it would not be a problem as he could be dropped to reserve grade if he was not playing well.
But when you are paying a winger 500k you need superstar qualities, not someone who rips in and has a red hot crack, but does not have the size, speed or ability to do anything special.

300k is Skelton money 😂…

Turuva is 23 yrs old still hasn’t peaked ,..played a 100 games already including in the best club team in the past 50 years ..

He is younger than Junior Toupo who a lot of people want to tell you is still developing

 

[Vicious]

300k is Skelton money 😂…

Turuva is 23 yrs old still hasn’t peaked ,..played a 100 games already including in the best club team in the past 50 years ..

Yes and they had him in reserve grade for a portion of the season before he signed with us and were not willing to pay anywhere near what we are paying him.
Maybe their talent ID and player evaluations are much better than ours ?
They would not go any higher than 800k for Luai, I think they were spot on with that as well.
They are not willing tj pay big money for an ageing and slowing Moses Leota, once again they are correct.
And it’s certain they would not pay anywhere near 909k for a player with limited ability such as Jahream Bula.
We are dumb and gullible and then wonder why we do not have the money to at least try and sign genuine match winners.

 

[Speed2burn]

It will do him good over there. He’s exposed too much at this level. Over there, he can easily dominate.

I think he’ll showcase his talent over there. I think he’s a product of the environment at the saints sadly. Probably could have reached better heights at a stronger club

 

[Tom Shines]

Yes and they had him in reserve grade for a portion of the season before he signed with us and were not willing to pay anywhere near what we are paying him.
Maybe their talent ID and player evaluations are much better than ours ?

Huh ? He played in two grand finals for them ..played well actually …imagine some of our other outside backs being targeted by a Bellamy game plan in a grand final …I can’t either..rather I don’t want too..

 

[Tom Shines]

Yes and they had him in reserve grade for a portion of the season before he signed with us and were not willing to pay anywhere near what we are paying him.
Maybe their talent ID and player evaluations are much better than ours ?
They would not go any higher than 800k for Luai, I think they were spot on with that as well.
They are not willing tj pay big money for an ageing and slowing Moses Leota, once again they are correct.
And it’s certain they would not pay anywhere near 909k for a player with limited ability such as Jahream Bula.

Both Bula and Turuva would be snapped up on the open market at the same money …in less than a week.. we are a shit team that players won’t accept unders to play at

 

[Vicious]

Huh ? He played in two grand finals for them ..played well actually …imagine some of our outside backs being targeted by a Bellamy game plan in a grand final …I can’t either..rather I don’t want too..

So you think he is a genuine 450-500k player ?
At the Panthers he was earning a near minimum wage and played a very basic role for them which allowed them to pay big money for their genuine stars and match winners.
He is a decent player and always gives his best, but once wingers are being paid uk around 500k or more they cannot be just good solid players who give their best, they need to have special qualities to regularly come up with big plays that help turn games in their teams favour.
The only special qualities Turuva has is running the ball fearlessly out of the danger zone and being a very good finisher when given try scoring opportunities within the red zone.
Have you ever seen him score a long range try ?
Not in the past couple of years and he very rarely makes a long line break either.
When you combine that with a dull boring fullback who doesn’t have a step or any unpredictability in his game, combine thatcwith second rowers who try hard, but are really middle forwards doing their best on an edge and you combine that with outside backs who are not good enough or fast enough to make long range line breaks and are not good enough defensively to make up for it.
We have very limited attacking threatcandcwondsefcwhy we struggle tj score points anywhere other than some games at Leichhardt Oval where we get plenty of decisions go our way and plenty of ball possession because of it.
I can excuse an 18y.o Makasini as our dopey coach should have seen the signs very early in the season that he was struggling mentally and physically and he should not have been exposed tjo this high pressure situation we now find ourselves in.

 

[Tom Shines]

So you think he is a genuine 450-500k player ?
At the Panthers he was earning a near minimum wage and played a very basic role for them which allowed them to pay big money for their genuine stats and match winners.
He is a decent player and always gives his best, but once wingers are being paid uk around 500k or more they cannot be just good solid players who give their best, they need to have special qualities to regularly come up with big plays that help turn games in their teams favour.
The only special qualities Turuva has is running the ball fearlessly out of the danger zone and being a very good finisher when given try scoring opportunities within the red zone.
Havevyouvecercseen him score a long range try ?
Not in the past couple of years and he very rarely makes a long line break either.
When you combine that with a dull boring fullback who doesn’t have a step or any unpredictability in his game, combine tgatcwitbvsecondcriwers who alm try, but are really middle forwards doing their best on an edge and you combine that with outside backs who are not good enough or fast enough to make long range line breaks and are not good enough defensively to make up for it, what have you actually got that warrants even being mentioned as a decent quality team ?
I can excuse an 18y.o Makasini as our dopey coach should have seen the signs very early in the season that he was struggling mentally and physically and he should not have been exposed tjo this high pressure situation we now find ourselves in.

Do you think they would both get the same money now at other clubs or not ? Don’t just single out Penrith for comparison …. They compete for players with 18 other clubs ,,,

I think they are both worth the money of the new deals signed … Can you understand that Turuva has not reached his full ceiling yet at 23 years old? He has been pretty much been played out of his best position all season ..

Bula has limitations in his game … a good club would improve his upper body strength which is his main weakness in my view …can’t break tackles or struggle to place the ball across the line ..

As I’ve said,,,pretty much the entire team has fallen off the cliff… not sure why you would spend so much time trying to single out these two

 

[Vicious]

Do you think they would both get the same money now at other clubs or not ? Don’t just single out Penrith for comparison …. They compete for players with 18 other clubs ,,,

I think they are both worth the money of the new deals signed … Can you understand that Turuva has not reached his full ceiling yet at 23 years old? He has been pretty much been played out of his best position all season ..

Bula has limitations in his game … a good club would improve his upper body strength which is his main weakness in my view …can’t break tackles or struggle to place the ball across the line ..

As I’ve said,,,pretty much the entire team has fallen off the cliff… not sure why you would spend so much time trying to single out these two

Because their pay packets say they are supposed to be doing something out of the ordinary to help turn games in our favour, particularly close grinding games against a team who was lucky with win one game all season prior to playing us.
Or do you think it should fall back on the players getting paid less than them to do it ?

 

[Tom Shines]

Or do you think it should fall back on the players getting paid less than them to do it ?

They aren’t the two highest paid players in the team mate..

 

[hodgo]

I was going through have a hiatus of the forum but I'm a sucker for trying to fix a problem I have no control over.

My current thought process and would love others opinions do we have 4 5/8s that are around or could potentially be 1st grade player and zero organising halves.( Madden is not it)
I know people mocked the thought but does a game manager like Reynolds change us. I think it does I actually think we need a brains player that moves us around the park and kicks the lights out. Doesn't have to be be a star but elite on those 2 metrics.

We have no-one that can kick long, short and accurate. We rarely grubber we cant hit the corners with cross field kicks etc etc.

I know we have lots of problems but repeat sets and attacking kicks could be our biggest issue. We never seem to be able to even pressure oppositions. We have flyers in Bulla and air Tino height in kpp and we might get one try out of them every 10 games.

It also concerns me that our best 5/8 Benji is trying to do what damaged his career which was turn an electric running 5/8 into a game manager

Anyway back to sulking

 

[Tom Shines]

I was going through have a hiatus of the forum but I'm a sucker for trying to fix a problem I have no control over.

My current thought process and would love others opinions do we have 4 5/8s that are around or could potentially be 1st grade player and zero organising halves.( Madden is not it)
I know people mocked the thought but does a game manager like Reynolds change us. I think it does I actually think we need a brains player that moves us around the park and kicks the lights out. Doesn't have to be be a star but elite on those 2 metrics.

We have no-one that can kick long, short and accurate. We rarely grubber we cant hit the corners with cross field kicks etc etc.

I know we have lots of problems but repeat sets and attacking kicks could be our biggest issue. We never seem to be able to even pressure oppositions. We have flyers in Bulla and air Tino height in kpp and we might get one try out of them every 10 games.

It also concerns me that our best 5/8 Benji is trying to do what damaged his career which was turn an electric running 5/8 into a game manager

Anyway back to sulking

There are a lot of problems …. Reynolds is cooked though

 

[Vicious]

I was going through have a hiatus of the forum but I'm a sucker for trying to fix a problem I have no control over.

My current thought process and would love others opinions do we have 4 5/8s that are around or could potentially be 1st grade player and zero organising halves.( Madden is not it)
I know people mocked the thought but does a game manager like Reynolds change us. I think it does I actually think we need a brains player that moves us around the park and kicks the lights out. Doesn't have to be be a star but elite on those 2 metrics.

We have no-one that can kick long, short and accurate. We rarely grubber we cant hit the corners with cross field kicks etc etc.

I know we have lots of problems but repeat sets and attacking kicks could be our biggest issue. We never seem to be able to even pressure oppositions. We have flyers in Bulla and air Tino height in kpp and we might get one try out of them every 10 games.

It also concerns me that our best 5/8 Benji is trying to do what damaged his career which was turn an electric running 5/8 into a game manager

Anyway back to sulking

A game controlling halfback is only any good when they have the right quality of players to regularly threaten the opposition to take advantage of it.
We could have Nathan Clearly playing halfback for us and we would still struggle without a fit and healthy Taylan May, Sam Fainu and KPP because Douehi is our only other player that is a regular threat to our opponents.

 

[kade7]

not sure if mentioned elsewhere, but blore will sign with the dragons, blew our offer out of water

whocares really, im tempted to go for the bears next year 😂

 

[Tom Shines]

A game controlling halfback is only any good when they have the right quality of players to regularly threaten the opposition to take advantage of it.
We could have Nathan Clearly playing halfback for us and we would still struggle with a fit and healthy Taylan May, Sam Fainu and KPP because Douehi is our only other player that is a regular threat to our opponents.

A game controlling half needs to also be able to play behind a dominating physical pack ,,,that’s not ours

 

[Tom Shines]

not sure if mentioned elsewhere, but blore will sign with the dragons, blew our offer out of water

whocares really, im tempted to go for the bears next year 😂

We have close to no money next year mate …we will be flat out buying a couple of minimum contract players I reckon

 

[rugbygoated]

So how is the big money justified if year after year nobody does anything to help win us games other than Doueihi and when they are playing Sam Fainu or Taylan May ?
In his defence Luai has stepped up a couple of times this season, but I still cannot see 1.2 million of value in him, so I am not disappointed he is leaving us.
As many others have pointed out, Latu Fainu has match winning qualities and we are absolutely destroying his development and progress.

Where has latu shown match winning qualities. I fear we are overrating him. There is no simple silver bullet to this mess, let alone a rookie half. It starts with the coaching no matter what roster you have

 

[balmain boy]

The average wage is $385k and with marquees like Luai, you need a lot below to offset him. You'd be surprised how many would be below that mark.

At other clubs yes.

How many players do you actually think are on 200k or less?

Hope, Craig, Saukuru, Herbert . That's about it.

We overvalue our juniors, think everyone else is trying to pinch them, and overpay them and offer unwarranted NRL contracts.

We have at least done better by not offering the likes of Godinet and CTM NRL contracts yet