Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Bob]

I don’t have a problem with successful clubs being successful. I take issue with some clubs flaunting the rules and not others.

Have a salary cap that each team must stick to that is covered by the NRL.

Have unlimited TPA’s a player can receive regardless of who organises it.

Each player must be paid a minimum out of the cap that co incides with their resume.

The part I hate is that clubs flaunt the rules without being reprimanded some stick to the rules and others get penalised.. why?

I am sure there is no limit to TPA’s that could be organised for good players.

 

[happy_tiger]

Its a relevant debate about the saturation within the Sydney marketplace. I dont necessary think it is a population debate, but Brisbane has 40% the population of Sydney with 1 team _compared to Sydney with 8\. The ethnicity of the greater Sydney population is a greater concern in relation to the traditional orientation of RL followers.\
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Either way, the real numbers are the economy within both regions. The numbers dont really change with Brisbane having a $150b economy compared to Sydneys $330b. This highlights to me that Sydney is an over saturated marketplace within the national rugby league landscape and something needs to change.\
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Commercially, I'd be looking at new marketplaces to take my business to. But, personally the Wests Tigers have already made their sacrifice within the Sydney landscape and its up to other franchises to do the heavy lifting!_

_I would argue that Brisbane is woefully underutilised it needs 1 -2 more clubs in its city but the donkeys will never agree to an equal playing field.No Sydney club would voluntarily leave Sydney and nor should they_

_And yet Brisbane can't take real advantage of this_

 

[bellyboy05]

Hey everybody, i am new to this forum i have been reading for a couple of months now and absolutely LOVE IT!! Just wanted to say i am good friends with Lyall Gorman so if there is any news out of Manly i will keep you guys posted in a heartbeat.

 

[tigerap]

Hey everybody, i am new to this forum i have been reading for a couple of months now and absolutely LOVE IT!! Just wanted to say i am good friends with Lyall Gorman so if there is any news out of Manly i will keep you guys posted in a heartbeat.

Welcome to the Forum…are you sure you have signed up to the correct one?....most on here don’t give a hoot what’s up with Manly... :sign:

 

[Tim Sheens]

Hey everybody, i am new to this forum i have been reading for a couple of months now and absolutely LOVE IT!! Just wanted to say i am good friends with Lyall Gorman so if there is any news out of Manly i will keep you guys posted in a heartbeat.

Welcome, but never give up your source. Whoops, too late.

 

[innsaneink]

Teo has nothing on.moses or moltzen

Why mention Moses and Moltzen together?

For all Moltzen did wrong, we dropped him for Robert Lui (which was a good decision till he bashed his wife..*sigh*)
Then he came back to us for a season or two and I think we dropped him fast. He went from talent to nothing and I think it was because of injuries.

I'm sure there were hassles fitting him in and buying him back from St George. But that's very different to Moses gathering 3 team mates and saying it's all or nothing.

Moltzen's comeback brought back a shell of the same person…. whether thats club management of his psyche, or his own man management remains to be seen, however he'd clearly left plenty of courage in the recovery group sheds.

We had a period of time where almost every bomb directed his way was allowed to bounce, every hard tackle was an arm grab, every facial expression resembled Greg Bird, and every drop ball by a teammate was met with derision, and venom. I went from loving the guy, to not wanting him to have anything to do with our team in the space of 18 months.

Quite the pea heart - I remember him hiding behind Blake Ayshford (who despite best efforts was wrong footed) when of all players JAKE FN MULLANEY Strolled through for a try - (Jake weighed about 75 keggs soaking wet) the game Parra tore us apart in the first half back, and we shredded them in the second half - Koroibetes 4 try game.

Well said.
Made me sick again reading that.
He often would look for his winger fielding downtown kicks….running crossfield putting the start of our set under pressure looking for his winger to do his work.
Couldnt stand him

 

[happy_tiger]

Teo has nothing on.moses or moltzen

Why mention Moses and Moltzen together?

For all Moltzen did wrong, we dropped him for Robert Lui (which was a good decision till he bashed his wife..*sigh*)
Then he came back to us for a season or two and I think we dropped him fast. He went from talent to nothing and I think it was because of injuries.

I'm sure there were hassles fitting him in and buying him back from St George. But that's very different to Moses gathering 3 team mates and saying it's all or nothing.

Moltzen's comeback brought back a shell of the same person…. whether thats club management of his psyche, or his own man management remains to be seen, however he'd clearly left plenty of courage in the recovery group sheds.

We had a period of time where almost every bomb directed his way was allowed to bounce, every hard tackle was an arm grab, every facial expression resembled Greg Bird, and every drop ball by a teammate was met with derision, and venom. I went from loving the guy, to not wanting him to have anything to do with our team in the space of 18 months.

Quite the pea heart - I remember him hiding behind Blake Ayshford (who despite best efforts was wrong footed) when of all players JAKE FN MULLANEY Strolled through for a try - (Jake weighed about 75 keggs soaking wet) the game Parra tore us apart in the first half back, and we shredded them in the second half - Koroibetes 4 try game.

Well said.
Made me sick again reading that.
He often would look for his winger fielding downtown kicks….running crossfield putting the start of our set under pressure looking for his winger to do his work.
Couldnt stand him

Yeah his psyche after the knee wasn't good , but I often wonder whether the fractured skull he suffered affected him more

 

[supercoach]

Hey everybody, i am new to this forum i have been reading for a couple of months now and absolutely LOVE IT!! Just wanted to say i am good friends with Lyall Gorman so if there is any news out of Manly i will keep you guys posted in a heartbeat.

He will not be at Manly long, CEO’s last about six months on average at Manly.The Penn family love you one minute and hate you the next

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I don’t have a problem with successful clubs being successful. I take issue with some clubs flaunting the rules and not others.

Have a salary cap that each team must stick to that is covered by the NRL.

Have unlimited TPA’s a player can receive regardless of who organises it.

Each player must be paid a minimum out of the cap that co incides with their resume.

The part I hate is that clubs flaunt the rules without being reprimanded some stick to the rules and others get penalised.. why?

I am sure there is no limit to TPA’s that could be organised for good players.

I mentioned this a week or so ago, but I doubt many clubs are breaking the rules.

There will be clubs who follow the rules as outlined, and there will be clubs who do things that dont break the rules.

Two seperate approaches with both being right.

The catalyst is money. Some clubs have access to more money from external factors than others. If Michael Morgan gets a house built for him because he is a great bloke, and the builder has no affiliations to the club, what can the NRL do?

 

[The-moP]

I don’t have a problem with successful clubs being successful. I take issue with some clubs flaunting the rules and not others.

Have a salary cap that each team must stick to that is covered by the NRL.

Have unlimited TPA’s a player can receive regardless of who organises it.

Each player must be paid a minimum out of the cap that co incides with their resume.

The part I hate is that clubs flaunt the rules without being reprimanded some stick to the rules and others get penalised.. why?

I am sure there is no limit to TPA’s that could be organised for good players.

I mentioned this a week or so ago, but I doubt many clubs are breaking the rules.

There will be clubs who follow the rules as outlined, and there will be clubs who do things that dont break the rules.

Two seperate approaches with both being right.

The catalyst is money. Some clubs have access to more money from external factors than others. If Michael Morgan gets a house built for him because he is a great bloke, and the builder has no affiliations to the club, what can the NRL do?

Most of the Cows players have had a house given … oops I meant built for them cause they great blokes .. !! It happens on the Gold Coast as well .. a certain player up there, "next in line to be a King" had a house built for him cause he was a great bloke .. it was a magnificent house .. but at the end of his career he sold up and got over a handy 3.5 mil for the house he lived in for 2 years ..!! So the question here is are these houses part of their salary or TPA's or are they just freebies .. ??

 

[tiger05premier]

I don’t have a problem with successful clubs being successful. I take issue with some clubs flaunting the rules and not others.

Have a salary cap that each team must stick to that is covered by the NRL.

Have unlimited TPA’s a player can receive regardless of who organises it.

Each player must be paid a minimum out of the cap that co incides with their resume.

The part I hate is that clubs flaunt the rules without being reprimanded some stick to the rules and others get penalised.. why?

I am sure there is no limit to TPA’s that could be organised for good players.

I mentioned this a week or so ago, but I doubt many clubs are breaking the rules.

There will be clubs who follow the rules as outlined, and there will be clubs who do things that dont break the rules.

Two seperate approaches with both being right.

The catalyst is money. Some clubs have access to more money from external factors than others. If Michael Morgan gets a house built for him because he is a great bloke, and the builder has no affiliations to the club, what can the NRL do?

Most of the Cows players have had a house given … oops I meant built for them cause they great blokes .. !! It happens on the Gold Coast as well .. a certain player up there, "next in line to be a King" had a house built for him cause he was a great bloke .. it was a magnificent house .. but at the end of his career he sold up and got over a handy 3.5 mil for the house he lived in for 2 years ..!! So the question here is are these houses part of their salary or TPA's or are they just freebies .. ??

Freebies

 

[jirskyr]

The problem with both the comparisons of TPA's is it only factors in the NRL approved ones.

The RLPA is zero chance of agreeing to access to players financials.

The only way to develop system is a points system… While money is involved, there will ALWAYS be corruption!

100% agreed…..There are a 101 ways you can pay a player extra without attracting the salary cap auditor. The only system that will work is a point system. Doubt we will ever see it because it would appear powerful people do not want a level playing field

I don't agree, a points system is flawed and could potentially subject to legal action. NRL cannot restrain trade, that is why TPAs exist. If NRL was to arbitrarily assign points to players, it would directly influence the relative value of players and hence their potential earnings, and would be challenged.

The system of how you might determine player points would be subject to constant argument, just like how fantasy football works, where you assign X points for something you (or a committee) feels is relevant.

Do you assign points only or also cap the salary? Because you'd end up in the same place, where Roosters can afford the "best" 10s, the best 9s, the best 8s etc. and would not be subject to financial restrictions. Also, often the "value" of a player is dependent on the club, not what a centralised body might decide is the relative value.

Can anyone show me any professional sport anywhere in the world where a centralised points system is applied to teams, rather than a salary cap?

The NRL can set or change any rule they want to, if a certain club doesn't like it then they can hand in the Franchise licence.
While ever you have a cap and Brown paper bags there is never going to be a level playing field.

Well the NRL can't do whatever they want, not if it conflicts with the law. I agree they hold a lot of power against clubs, but I'm not really talking about clubs, I'm talking about players.

If you put a system in place that infringes on a players' legal rights, they can and will fight it. The RLPA is only ever getting bigger, not smaller.

So if a centrally-administered points system comes to restrict the trade of a player, it will eventually get challenged in court. If Player X gets rated a "2" and nobody will pay him more than $80K, he may well decide to challenge the NRL that their arbitrary rating is impacting his livelihood.

There's never a level playing field and there never will be. Nothing in the world is truly a level playing field, I can't even think of a single example.

 

[newtiger]

100% agreed…..There are a 101 ways you can pay a player extra without attracting the salary cap auditor. The only system that will work is a point system. Doubt we will ever see it because it would appear powerful people do not want a level playing field

I don't agree, a points system is flawed and could potentially subject to legal action. NRL cannot restrain trade, that is why TPAs exist. If NRL was to arbitrarily assign points to players, it would directly influence the relative value of players and hence their potential earnings, and would be challenged.

The system of how you might determine player points would be subject to constant argument, just like how fantasy football works, where you assign X points for something you (or a committee) feels is relevant.

Do you assign points only or also cap the salary? Because you'd end up in the same place, where Roosters can afford the "best" 10s, the best 9s, the best 8s etc. and would not be subject to financial restrictions. Also, often the "value" of a player is dependent on the club, not what a centralised body might decide is the relative value.

Can anyone show me any professional sport anywhere in the world where a centralised points system is applied to teams, rather than a salary cap?

The NRL can set or change any rule they want to, if a certain club doesn't like it then they can hand in the Franchise licence.
While ever you have a cap and Brown paper bags there is never going to be a level playing field.

Well the NRL can't do whatever they want, not if it conflicts with the law. I agree they hold a lot of power against clubs, but I'm not really talking about clubs, I'm talking about players.

If you put a system in place that infringes on a players' legal rights, they can and will fight it. The RLPA is only ever getting bigger, not smaller.

So if a centrally-administered points system comes to restrict the trade of a player, it will eventually get challenged in court. If Player X gets rated a "2" and nobody will pay him more than $80K, he may well decide to challenge the NRL that their arbitrary rating is impacting his livelihood.

There's never a level playing field and there never will be. Nothing in the world is truly a level playing field, I can't even think of a single example.

That’s not how a points system would work the club can pay player X $2million, but in the it counts as a 2 in the clubs cap.
Try looking at V8 Supercars where all cars have the same running gear except for the brand of the motor, all have the same weight and same aerodynamics.
Yes the richer teams spend more,but that is being curtailed.
The drivers abilities are the main difference.
I just don’t think that is a fair and level playing field when a club like Storm can spend $800K a year extra on players and say everything’s equal.
The salary cap was introduced to create a level playing field, now flaunted by a few clubs.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I don’t have a problem with successful clubs being successful. I take issue with some clubs flaunting the rules and not others.

Have a salary cap that each team must stick to that is covered by the NRL.

Have unlimited TPA’s a player can receive regardless of who organises it.

Each player must be paid a minimum out of the cap that co incides with their resume.

The part I hate is that clubs flaunt the rules without being reprimanded some stick to the rules and others get penalised.. why?

I am sure there is no limit to TPA’s that could be organised for good players.

I mentioned this a week or so ago, but I doubt many clubs are breaking the rules.

There will be clubs who follow the rules as outlined, and there will be clubs who do things that dont break the rules.

Two seperate approaches with both being right.

The catalyst is money. Some clubs have access to more money from external factors than others. If Michael Morgan gets a house built for him because he is a great bloke, and the builder has no affiliations to the club, what can the NRL do?

Most of the Cows players have had a house given … oops I meant built for them cause they great blokes .. !! It happens on the Gold Coast as well .. a certain player up there, "next in line to be a King" had a house built for him cause he was a great bloke .. it was a magnificent house .. but at the end of his career he sold up and got over a handy 3.5 mil for the house he lived in for 2 years ..!! So the question here is are these houses part of their salary or TPA's or are they just freebies .. ??

untraceable freebies… 'Developer Stock' is a common term used when a developer inherits X amount of units in a complex which are not for sale to the general public. A developer may hang onto his 'stock' for 10 years before selling it off for
$1 to a 'good friend', notably a player who has already finished his career. Even if the NRL did audit players bank accounts etc, they would never be allowed to do it after he no longer has an NRL Contract.

The smart clubs who have access to more money externally will always be ahead of those who dont.

 

[barra]

The problem with both the comparisons of TPA's is it only factors in the NRL approved ones.

The RLPA is zero chance of agreeing to access to players financials.

The only way to develop system is a points system… While money is involved, there will ALWAYS be corruption!

100% agreed…..There are a 101 ways you can pay a player extra without attracting the salary cap auditor. The only system that will work is a point system. Doubt we will ever see it because it would appear powerful people do not want a level playing field

Points rating system, all the way!

You never now, it may come about sooner rather than later because the press finally seems to be getting their teeth into the 'uneven' level playing field that the salary cap/TPA system creates and hopefully they will clamp down on it and keep shaking it. The more pressure that builds on the NRL to release information, the more change we may see.

 

[barra]

Well the NRL can't do whatever they want, not if it conflicts with the law. I agree they hold a lot of power against clubs, but I'm not really talking about clubs, I'm talking about players.

If you put a system in place that infringes on a players' legal rights, they can and will fight it. The RLPA is only ever getting bigger, not smaller.

**So if a centrally-administered points system comes to restrict the trade of a player, it will eventually get challenged in court. If Player X gets rated a "2" and nobody will pay him more than $80K, he may well decide to challenge the NRL that their arbitrary rating is impacting his livelihood.**

There's never a level playing field and there never will be. Nothing in the world is truly a level playing field, I can't even think of a single example.

Can't agree mate. If a system is developed to quantify a player's talent, and those fields are known and published, and he is scored based on those fields, what grounds does he have to argue on?

Not trying to create an argument but I am genuinely interested in how this can happen, not why it can't… You're right that there will never be a totally level playing field but a player rating points system would certainly be a massive improvement!

 

[innsaneink]

I think it can be argued because what it boils down to is one persons opinion on another players worth.
We all have the right to try and get the best deal we can for ourselves

 

[Sabre]

Am I the only one that completely missed the memo that Nathan Milone had signed for Wenty?

 

[WT2K]

Frank-Paul Nuuausala on his way back from England via The Mole.

 

[will1999]

Frank-Paul Nuuausala on his way back from England via The Mole.

going to the knights