Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[jirskyr]

Been down this track so many times over the past few years. I have been banging the drum for a point system for years. Some people agree but plenty think it will not work. One thing for certain the people making the calls are more than happy with the system we have, because it gives them the opportunity to make a few clubs more equal than others

Is there an equivalent system in professional sport anywhere else in the world?

Not that I am aware of and I've been looking.

They speak of Fantasy Football, which is exactly as its name suggests, pure fantasy. You can do it with monopoly money but not in the real world.

 

[jirskyr]

It might sound like a nice idea but there’s no way it would work in practice. Quite apart from anything else you’d be effectively allowing the NRL to be the ultimate arbiter of player quality (or presumably some committee which would inevitably have Gorden Tallis on it).

Agreed. It has been bandied about in multiple threads over the years, but the fundamental issue is that you would make the NRL, or some arbitrary body, the sole arbiter of player value.

Not only would that potentially be restraint of trade, you would have endless debate, complaint and speculation about how the NRL decides to grade players. The baseless allegations of NRL favouritism from every fanbase are bad enough now, without the NRL having to decide which are the best players in the comp and thus control where clubs can spend their money.

 

[jirskyr]

No club organised tpa's.
Players management has to source, or player themselves. Any tpa's tied to club have to be included in salary cap. Club sponsors sponsor the whole club, not individual players. Cars, free rent, ets included in salary cap package. Any club sponsor giving entitlements to family members must be declared and judged on merit. Jobs after footy career ends must be declared and deemed appropriate.
Clubs must declare all payments otherwise penalties incur.
Make all salaries and tpa's transparent.
Just a thought.


Actually all of that is the case right now.

Neither salaries nor TPAs are transparent. But if NRL published those, it would be very helpful in providing real information about rosters. Primary issue is it might potentially be illegal, or at least blocked by the RLPA.

 

[PJ_]

@Glenn5150 sorry man, it's not.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

The points would stay the same whilst the player stays with the one club if he wants to move his appreciated points come into play so if signed as a 1 point player and his value goes up the new club takes him on say as a 3 point player the points system works as a salary cap the new team can pay what they like but if they go to far over the top they end up going broke So as long as teams stay under their points cap all is good

Get ready then for Roosters and Broncos to sign up every 1-point junior in the comp to 15-year deals.

Will work out great when David Fifita is on the 8th year of his $1.7M, 1-salary cap point annual deal.

That wouldn't happen because there would probably be a minimum wage $150-200k and the point system would apply to the top 30 just as the salary cap does at the moment so if we use your reasoning there's nothing to stop that happening now only players would be peed off being warehoused

 

[supercoach]

The points would stay the same whilst the player stays with the one club if he wants to move his appreciated points come into play so if signed as a 1 point player and his value goes up the new club takes him on say as a 3 point player the points system works as a salary cap the new team can pay what they like but if they go to far over the top they end up going broke So as long as teams stay under their points cap all is good

Get ready then for Roosters and Broncos to sign up every 1-point junior in the comp to 15-year deals.

Will work out great when David Fifita is on the 8th year of his $1.7M, 1-salary cap point annual deal.

The Chooks are already doing it. They are paying mega bucks to get the best kids into their system and it’s all outside the cap. Once they have them in the system and they progress to grade and come under the cap they obviously have ways of keeping them very happy

 

[bptiger]

ithink u can add the dogs to the cheats list, they where broke 10 months ago due to the salary cap, look how many they have signed since and now they say they can aff ord 14 million to buy 3 top class players,they must be using the roooters hand book.

 

[2041]

The points would stay the same whilst the player stays with the one club if he wants to move his appreciated points come into play so if signed as a 1 point player and his value goes up the new club takes him on say as a 3 point player the points system works as a salary cap the new team can pay what they like but if they go to far over the top they end up going broke So as long as teams stay under their points cap all is good

Get ready then for Roosters and Broncos to sign up every 1-point junior in the comp to 15-year deals.

Will work out great when David Fifita is on the 8th year of his $1.7M, 1-salary cap point annual deal.

That wouldn't happen because there would probably be a minimum wage $150-200k and the point system would apply to the top 30 just as the salary cap does at the moment so if we use your reasoning there's nothing to stop that happening now only players would be peed off being warehoused

But this is literally what happens in leagues like the EPL nowadays. The richest clubs long ago realised that the best way to secure talent is to sign up as many promising young players as they can because even though most of them won't end up top-level contributors they are much cheaper to sign at 14 than they will be at 24. The players don't get peed off because they want to be part of the biggest clubs, they're being paid more than anyone else can offer them and they probably get to play first grade football by being loaned out anyway. I'm sure plenty of superleague clubs would be delighted to take the Roosters' and Broncos' promising kids on one-year loan deals.

A minimum wage of $200k for development players would mean most clubs simply couldn't afford to have more than a handful while the richest clubs could have dozens. If what you're trying to do is level the playing field you'd be doing the exact opposite.

And you still haven't responded to the biggest problem of all: a points system would introduce a third party as the ultimate arbiter of player quality. You might as well just contract every player centrally to the NRL and have the comp assign players to franchises. Actually that would probably be a better system than this nonsense about points.

 

[jirskyr]

The points would stay the same whilst the player stays with the one club if he wants to move his appreciated points come into play so if signed as a 1 point player and his value goes up the new club takes him on say as a 3 point player the points system works as a salary cap the new team can pay what they like but if they go to far over the top they end up going broke So as long as teams stay under their points cap all is good

Get ready then for Roosters and Broncos to sign up every 1-point junior in the comp to 15-year deals.

Will work out great when David Fifita is on the 8th year of his $1.7M, 1-salary cap point annual deal.

That wouldn't happen because there would probably be a minimum wage $150-200k and the point system would apply to the top 30 just as the salary cap does at the moment so if we use your reasoning there's nothing to stop that happening now only players would be peed off being warehoused

But this is literally what happens in leagues like the EPL nowadays. The richest clubs long ago realised that the best way to secure talent is to sign up as many promising young players as they can because even though most of them won't end up top-level contributors they are much cheaper to sign at 14 than they will be at 24. The players don't get peed off because they want to be part of the biggest clubs, they're being paid more than anyone else can offer them and they probably get to play first grade football by being loaned out anyway. I'm sure plenty of superleague clubs would be delighted to take the Roosters' and Broncos' promising kids on one-year loan deals.

A minimum wage of $200k for development players would mean most clubs simply couldn't afford to have more than a handful while the richest clubs could have dozens. If what you're trying to do is level the playing field you'd be doing the exact opposite.

And you still haven't responded to the biggest problem of all: a points system would introduce a third party as the ultimate arbiter of player quality. You might as well just contract every player centrally to the NRL and have the comp assign players to franchises. Actually that would probably be a better system than this nonsense about points.

Thanks very much, you took the words straight out of my mouth.

 

[Tiger5150]

No club organised tpa's.
Players management has to source, or player themselves. Any tpa's tied to club have to be included in salary cap. Club sponsors sponsor the whole club, not individual players. Cars, free rent, ets included in salary cap package. Any club sponsor giving entitlements to family members must be declared and judged on merit. Jobs after footy career ends must be declared and deemed appropriate.
Clubs must declare all payments otherwise penalties incur.
Make all salaries and tpa's transparent.
Just a thought.


Actually all of that is the case right now.

Neither salaries nor TPAs are transparent. But if NRL published those, it would be very helpful in providing real information about rosters. Primary issue is it might potentially be illegal, or at least blocked by the RLPA.

Not to the public, but to the NRL they are (supposedly).

 

[BalmainJnr]

I know this thread has a habit of getting in the weeds... anyone got a signing suggestion/rumour?

 

[Geo]

Been down this track so many times over the past few years. I have been banging the drum for a point system for years. Some people agree but plenty think it will not work. One thing for certain the people making the calls are more than happy with the system we have, because it gives them the opportunity to make a few clubs more equal than others

Is there an equivalent system in professional sport anywhere else in the world?

Not that I am aware of and I've been looking.

They speak of Fantasy Football, which is exactly as its name suggests, pure fantasy. You can do it with monopoly money but not in the real world.

But you get the TRADE RAGE button..

 

[Holman Barnes #1 Fan]

I know this thread has a habit of getting in the weeds... anyone got a signing suggestion/rumour?

not us, but I hear the Roosters have been talking to the management of a player they can't technically afford.

 

[WT2K]

I know this thread has a habit of getting in the weeds... anyone got a signing suggestion/rumour?

Only the same names. From a reliable Sharks poster on both their forums...

Capewell won't be retained. Warriors and Tigers offering more than we will be able to come up with. If by some chance he does stay it's out of loyalty.
My understanding is we have decided to let Capewell leave to allow Wilton a chance at First Grade.
ALSO
We have had the Moylan and Matterson talks with Tigers

 

[BalmainJnr]

I know this thread has a habit of getting in the weeds... anyone got a signing suggestion/rumour?

Only the same names. From a reliable Sharks poster on both their forums...

Capewell won't be retained. Warriors and Tigers offering more than we will be able to come up with. If by some chance he does stay it's out of loyalty.
My understanding is we have decided to let Capewell leave to allow Wilton a chance at First Grade.
ALSO
We have had the Moylan and Matterson talks with Tigers

Thanks mate, Capewell is the new Rona.

 

[Snake]

Maybe the thread name could be changed to .. Begging for Signing Suggestions and Rumours!

 

[BalmainJnr]

I know this thread has a habit of getting in the weeds... anyone got a signing suggestion/rumour?

not us, but I hear the Roosters have been talking to the management of a player they can't technically afford.

Mr Fifita

 

[WT2K]

I know this thread has a habit of getting in the weeds... anyone got a signing suggestion/rumour?

Only the same names. From a reliable Sharks poster on both their forums...

Capewell won't be retained. Warriors and Tigers offering more than we will be able to come up with. If by some chance he does stay it's out of loyalty.
My understanding is we have decided to let Capewell leave to allow Wilton a chance at First Grade.
ALSO
We have had the Moylan and Matterson talks with Tigers

Thanks mate, Capewell is the new Rona.

Seems that way

 

[BalmainJnr]

We can dream right!?

 

[Holman Barnes #1 Fan]

We can dream right!?

He would go good at fullback. But can we afford to wait that long for a fullback?