Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[swag_tiger]

600k for a winger is way over imo.

 

[CCTW]

What does Papenhuyzen have to do to convince some on the forum he us the real deal? When Mitchell was SG Ball player of the year, he was HM player of the year. Aust Schools, NSW under age and Storm No 1. Thought of highly by Slater, one of the best ever.

We got Lolohea, the Storm Papenhuyzen. Which club can pick talent?

Let’s not forget almost every club in the league didn’t want to sign him either. Storm got him as their third string fullback and he only get a run due to injuries. He’s done well since then but knowing every club turned him down makes me feel a little better about us letting him go, plus we thought Teddy was staying

Turned him down? So far off the mark on this one...

Papenhuyzen had lucrative offers on the table from 7 or 8 clubs including a huge offer from Rugby Australia at the time. All before playing a single game of NRL. 2014 Harold Matthews player of the year. Papenhuyzen was always earmarked as their future number 1. He went down there to learn off Slater in his last couple of seasons with the view to take over after his retirement.

Drinkwater was signed by the Storm as a half (not a fullback) and Hughes was not even seen as a first grade prospect for quite sometime and bounced around clubs (Roosters, Titans and Cowboys). Hughes was unsigned for the better part of a year. He has come good since but he was only viewed as a back up after playing well in QLD for multiple years.

There was some article published sometime last year about him being offered up by Melbourne but that was all BS. That was Schifcofske offering him to other clubs to gain leverage for playing time... which worked.

 

[JC99]

Cotric allegedly $1.8m over 3 years, with the Dogs, but not official apparently. That's very decent centre money, but way overs for a winger. And if Cotric is hoping to be fullback, he's untested there.

Dogs need to spend some money on their halves, if they come knocking for Brooks, would we let him go? Who would we go after instead, in 5/8 and/or 1/2?

There’s less and less good halves around every year. Seems like most clubs are happy to give the young halves a go but they normally takr time to adjust. Genuinely don’t know what good halves are available.

 

[851]

I actually dont think hes any of that…just a very talented young bloke …yep,self confident for sure,but you have to back yourself …who saw a club in the roostes that had stable management and coaching staff who cld bring the best out of him,and importantly support players who cld take some of the defensive focus from him and allow him to flourish.
I wld have made exactly the same decision tbh,but given WTs support during his legthy injury periods I wld have been more upfront and honest…and wld be donating $$ to the WTs junior system that enabled him to be the $$$ player he is today.
Were all different…but I still support Teddy despite the past…cant stand Moses or Woods(for different reasons)

Tedesco's dead to us mate.

I can understand his decision, i.e. the reasons why he would make it, much like I can understand why Hitler decided to invade Russia. Don't support it as a decision though.

Tedesco held off giving the Tigers an answer, and desperate as we were to retain him, we let Paps go and didn't make any Plan B. There is no Plan B when it comes to Tedesco. Then he goes to the Roosters, of all clubs in the world who don't NEED a player of his calibre.

Goes to Roosters for reportedly the same above-table salary Tigers offered him, perhaps even slightly less. Dog.

Just maybe we shld have held off on Papy until Tedesco had committed...like a well run club/business surely wld have?Its really about the clubs welfare first.Most other clubs get that.
Having said that,we have a woeful record with tiny but talented fullbacks(Gallant/McDonnell/Mullaney)and whilst theyve all had different coaching staff at WTS,Im unconvinced Papy wld have evolved into the player he is today without the support of stable and patient coaching staff.Thats pretty damning of WTS,and I hope Madge can change this.
Am looking forward to seeing our current backs improve at the same rate as our forwards(Nofa excepted,who has had a killer season)

We have a woeful record of tiny but talented fullbacks you say....

Then you name (Gallant/McDonnell/Mullaney).

Put them all together and they wouldn't make one tiny talented full back.

Not convinced Paps would have done anything with us, apart from speed I don't think he has much to offer myself.

I would much rather have AD.

ummm..Brett Hodgson punched above his weight...

Matty Bowen

 

[teddy23]

What does Papenhuyzen have to do to convince some on the forum he us the real deal? When Mitchell was SG Ball player of the year, he was HM player of the year. Aust Schools, NSW under age and Storm No 1. Thought of highly by Slater, one of the best ever.

We got Lolohea, the Storm Papenhuyzen. Which club can pick talent?

Let’s not forget almost every club in the league didn’t want to sign him either. Storm got him as their third string fullback and he only get a run due to injuries. He’s done well since then but knowing every club turned him down makes me feel a little better about us letting him go, plus we thought Teddy was staying

Turned him down? Where are you getting your information!

Papenhuyzen had lucrative offers on the table from 7 or 8 clubs including a huge offer from Rugby Australia at the time. All before playing a single game of NRL. 2014 Harold Matthews player of the year. Papenhuyzen was always earmarked as their future number 1. He went down there to learn off Slater in his last couple of seasons with the view to take over after his retirement.

Drinkwater was signed by the Storm as a half (not a fullback) and Hughes was not even seen as a first grade prospect for quite sometime and bounced around clubs (Roosters, Titans and Cowboys). Hughes was unsigned for the better part of a year. He has come good since but he was only viewed as a back up after playing well in QLD for multiple years.

There was some article published sometime last year about him being offered up by Melbourne but that was all BS. That was Schifcofske offering him to other clubs to gain leverage for playing time... which worked.

You seem like you’ve got good mail with your recent posts - any idea on what the JAC situation looks like at all?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Preston Campbell

 

[jirskyr]

I note your comment about Hodgson. He was a solid club footballer, nothing more.

You are kidding. Bloke played 6 Origins, won the comp, runner up one other time. Man of Steel in his first season in ESL after we all agreed his time was up in the NRL. His form in 2004-2006 was electric, go back and watch matches from that time.

It's a shame for Hodgo that our second premiership tilt came after his time, because we could have used that calm, reliable, steadying influence in 2010-2011, plus goal kicking. It's all well and good to have the Prince / Benji / Lui flash attack, but we lacked for fullback in 2010-11. With due respect to Tim Moltzen in 2011, and Mitch Brown was the finals fullback in 2010.

 

[avocadoontoast]

What does Papenhuyzen have to do to convince some on the forum he us the real deal? When Mitchell was SG Ball player of the year, he was HM player of the year. Aust Schools, NSW under age and Storm No 1. Thought of highly by Slater, one of the best ever.

We got Lolohea, the Storm Papenhuyzen. Which club can pick talent?

Let’s not forget almost every club in the league didn’t want to sign him either. Storm got him as their third string fullback and he only get a run due to injuries. He’s done well since then but knowing every club turned him down makes me feel a little better about us letting him go, plus we thought Teddy was staying

Turned him down? So far off the mark on this one...

Papenhuyzen had lucrative offers on the table from 7 or 8 clubs including a huge offer from Rugby Australia at the time. All before playing a single game of NRL. 2014 Harold Matthews player of the year. Papenhuyzen was always earmarked as their future number 1. He went down there to learn off Slater in his last couple of seasons with the view to take over after his retirement.

Drinkwater was signed by the Storm as a half (not a fullback) and Hughes was not even seen as a first grade prospect for quite sometime and bounced around clubs (Roosters, Titans and Cowboys). Hughes was unsigned for the better part of a year. He has come good since but he was only viewed as a back up after playing well in QLD for multiple years.

There was some article published sometime last year about him being offered up by Melbourne but that was all BS. That was Schifcofske offering him to other clubs to gain leverage for playing time... which worked.

How are we looking re CHN mate?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

What does Papenhuyzen have to do to convince some on the forum he us the real deal? When Mitchell was SG Ball player of the year, he was HM player of the year. Aust Schools, NSW under age and Storm No 1. Thought of highly by Slater, one of the best ever.

We got Lolohea, the Storm Papenhuyzen. Which club can pick talent?

Let’s not forget almost every club in the league didn’t want to sign him either. Storm got him as their third string fullback and he only get a run due to injuries. He’s done well since then but knowing every club turned him down makes me feel a little better about us letting him go, plus we thought Teddy was staying

Korobeite, JAC and Papenhuyzen. There is a pattern that we don't like pacey backs at WTs. No sir, the slug brigade will do just fine.

None of them WANTED to stay - you just can't seem to comprehend that.

Maybe we need to chain some players to the Latchem Robinson stand - then you won't have to have a go at the club all the time.

Did anyone bother with an exit interview to ask why three very talented players wanted to leave? It appears the Club put all its efforts into the Tedesco basket and we know how that ended.

I note your comment about Hodgson. He was a solid club footballer, nothing more. He will always be remembered for the Tallis tackle. Garry Jack was way above Hodgson and despite him not being at the club, it would be nice to see Pspenhuyzen folliw in his footsteps.

JAC snuck off out the back door while our CEO was on holidays. I'm sure an interview would of been forthcoming if JAC had waited for Pascoe to return (like he was reportedly asked to do). If a rat wants to do the dirty and scurry away under the cover of darkness there is not much you can do to stop it.

Really leaving a player of his quality unsigned when Bellamy is around is asking for that to occur. We failed to secure him.

JAC was a Reserve Grader when he came to us. And he was yet to even make his first grade debut when he signed with Storm. It was early in the season also. Blame whoever on our side signed him up for one season instead of two.

He was a great loss not only for his skill but because crowds flock to see players with his pace and flair.

Skill? Can't really say he has shown much in the way of skill TBH.
Pace, yes. Defence, average to poor. Skill, average.
Once his pace is gone he won't have much to fall back on IMO.

JAC turns half chances into tries. That us a skill which we have lacked since all three walked.

That is pace that allows him to do that, nothing more.
Granted we don't have much at all pace-wise (Talau made up big ground on someone last week though, surprised me with his pace TBH).

Especially with his hammy. Good player whom would look great with JAC outside of him.

 

[teddy23]

I actually dont think hes any of that…just a very talented young bloke …yep,self confident for sure,but you have to back yourself …who saw a club in the roostes that had stable management and coaching staff who cld bring the best out of him,and importantly support players who cld take some of the defensive focus from him and allow him to flourish.
I wld have made exactly the same decision tbh,but given WTs support during his legthy injury periods I wld have been more upfront and honest…and wld be donating $$ to the WTs junior system that enabled him to be the $$$ player he is today.
Were all different…but I still support Teddy despite the past…cant stand Moses or Woods(for different reasons)

Tedesco's dead to us mate.

I can understand his decision, i.e. the reasons why he would make it, much like I can understand why Hitler decided to invade Russia. Don't support it as a decision though.

Tedesco held off giving the Tigers an answer, and desperate as we were to retain him, we let Paps go and didn't make any Plan B. There is no Plan B when it comes to Tedesco. Then he goes to the Roosters, of all clubs in the world who don't NEED a player of his calibre.

Goes to Roosters for reportedly the same above-table salary Tigers offered him, perhaps even slightly less. Dog.

Just maybe we shld have held off on Papy until Tedesco had committed...like a well run club/business surely wld have?Its really about the clubs welfare first.Most other clubs get that.
Having said that,we have a woeful record with tiny but talented fullbacks(Gallant/McDonnell/Mullaney)and whilst theyve all had different coaching staff at WTS,Im unconvinced Papy wld have evolved into the player he is today without the support of stable and patient coaching staff.Thats pretty damning of WTS,and I hope Madge can change this.
Am looking forward to seeing our current backs improve at the same rate as our forwards(Nofa excepted,who has had a killer season)

We have a woeful record of tiny but talented fullbacks you say....

Then you name (Gallant/McDonnell/Mullaney).

Put them all together and they wouldn't make one tiny talented full back.

Not convinced Paps would have done anything with us, apart from speed I don't think he has much to offer myself.

I would much rather have AD.

ummm..Brett Hodgson punched above his weight...

Matty Bowen

2012 Ben Barba

 

[JC99]

What does Papenhuyzen have to do to convince some on the forum he us the real deal? When Mitchell was SG Ball player of the year, he was HM player of the year. Aust Schools, NSW under age and Storm No 1. Thought of highly by Slater, one of the best ever.

We got Lolohea, the Storm Papenhuyzen. Which club can pick talent?

Let’s not forget almost every club in the league didn’t want to sign him either. Storm got him as their third string fullback and he only get a run due to injuries. He’s done well since then but knowing every club turned him down makes me feel a little better about us letting him go, plus we thought Teddy was staying

Turned him down? So far off the mark on this one...

Papenhuyzen had lucrative offers on the table from 7 or 8 clubs including a huge offer from Rugby Australia at the time. All before playing a single game of NRL. 2014 Harold Matthews player of the year. Papenhuyzen was always earmarked as their future number 1. He went down there to learn off Slater in his last couple of seasons with the view to take over after his retirement.

Drinkwater was signed by the Storm as a half (not a fullback) and Hughes was not even seen as a first grade prospect for quite sometime and bounced around clubs (Roosters, Titans and Cowboys). Hughes was unsigned for the better part of a year. He has come good since but he was only viewed as a back up after playing well in QLD for multiple years.

There was some article published sometime last year about him being offered up by Melbourne but that was all BS. That was Schifcofske offering him to other clubs to gain leverage for playing time... which worked.

That was the big story when Paps made his debut, there were multiple stories, commentators etc saying he was turned down by majority of the NRL clubs. You might be right but at the time that was the story that was going around.

Multiple articles saying that ‘all 16 nrl clubs turned him down’.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The club definitely pulled the plug too early on Hodgo. He had at least another 2 years in him.

 

[851]

I actually dont think hes any of that…just a very talented young bloke …yep,self confident for sure,but you have to back yourself …who saw a club in the roostes that had stable management and coaching staff who cld bring the best out of him,and importantly support players who cld take some of the defensive focus from him and allow him to flourish.
I wld have made exactly the same decision tbh,but given WTs support during his legthy injury periods I wld have been more upfront and honest…and wld be donating $$ to the WTs junior system that enabled him to be the $$$ player he is today.
Were all different…but I still support Teddy despite the past…cant stand Moses or Woods(for different reasons)

Tedesco's dead to us mate.

I can understand his decision, i.e. the reasons why he would make it, much like I can understand why Hitler decided to invade Russia. Don't support it as a decision though.

Tedesco held off giving the Tigers an answer, and desperate as we were to retain him, we let Paps go and didn't make any Plan B. There is no Plan B when it comes to Tedesco. Then he goes to the Roosters, of all clubs in the world who don't NEED a player of his calibre.

Goes to Roosters for reportedly the same above-table salary Tigers offered him, perhaps even slightly less. Dog.

Just maybe we shld have held off on Papy until Tedesco had committed...like a well run club/business surely wld have?Its really about the clubs welfare first.Most other clubs get that.
Having said that,we have a woeful record with tiny but talented fullbacks(Gallant/McDonnell/Mullaney)and whilst theyve all had different coaching staff at WTS,Im unconvinced Papy wld have evolved into the player he is today without the support of stable and patient coaching staff.Thats pretty damning of WTS,and I hope Madge can change this.
Am looking forward to seeing our current backs improve at the same rate as our forwards(Nofa excepted,who has had a killer season)

We have a woeful record of tiny but talented fullbacks you say....

Then you name (Gallant/McDonnell/Mullaney).

Put them all together and they wouldn't make one tiny talented full back.

Not convinced Paps would have done anything with us, apart from speed I don't think he has much to offer myself.

I would much rather have AD.

ummm..Brett Hodgson punched above his weight...

Matty Bowen

 

[CCTW]

Wrote about the Cotric situation sometime back, he wasn't happy with the club signing Scott as he was promised the centre position sometime back.

This move isn't about money as he had a longer term deal from Canberra, it's simply playing position and lifestyle related. He is frequently in Sydney, particularly in the off-season and wanted to move up here permanently.

 

[851]

Cotric signs with dogs, even he side coming last can attract talent, why can’t we

I’m not sure we even went after him, his name didn’t even get mentioned once. Bulldogs paid massive overs for a winger/centre and with their poor spine he probably won’t even do that well there. Would’ve liked him here though for sure.

Not directly attributed to Cotric, although he would be nice, but we can't seem to land an origin type player, even with cash, hoping something changes soon, the Titans and Dogs can even get players onboard.

 

[Lukic]

Wingers are more important than centres these days with how common cross-field kicks have become, the removal of the corner post and the fact wingers often take the first 2 hitups of the set.

I'd rather Addo-Carr go to Souths and we grab Johnston a couple of hundred thousand cheaper. He's still a very good winger and has proven he can fill in at fullback competently too.

 

[851]

If we are looking for a young half Sam Walker is one to look out for.
Pretty sure he is on the Roosters books and will turn 18 later this year. Is another young QLDer (we seem to be collecting them atm). Be a hard task prying him away from the Roosters but would be a big coup.
Has shades of Dylan Brown.

Underrated comment....

Sam Walker is an absolute weapon, huge wraps on him one of the best NRL prospects the game has to offer!

He’s 18 but soon will be trying to push for first grade, honestly has the potential to be the best halfback in the game he’s that good

Keary only 28
Flanagan like 21

Don’t see either of them going anywhere to facilitate Walker and even if so I’d jump at either of those players too

If Madge is really eyeing young talent I’m sure he’s considering Sam Walker

Sounds like roosters want to lock him down already just saw it in an article

Yeah they’re all over him - the problem is I don’t think they expected Flanagan to catch on this well he’s really impressing me as a half at 21 even just the ball he threw last night (if anyone watched the game) shows he has that confidence and maturity most young halves struggle to obtain - and he’s an excellent goal kicker also

And our 7 with over 150 NRL games has 1 try assist all year

 

[CCTW]

What does Papenhuyzen have to do to convince some on the forum he us the real deal? When Mitchell was SG Ball player of the year, he was HM player of the year. Aust Schools, NSW under age and Storm No 1. Thought of highly by Slater, one of the best ever.

We got Lolohea, the Storm Papenhuyzen. Which club can pick talent?

Let’s not forget almost every club in the league didn’t want to sign him either. Storm got him as their third string fullback and he only get a run due to injuries. He’s done well since then but knowing every club turned him down makes me feel a little better about us letting him go, plus we thought Teddy was staying

Turned him down? So far off the mark on this one...

Papenhuyzen had lucrative offers on the table from 7 or 8 clubs including a huge offer from Rugby Australia at the time. All before playing a single game of NRL. 2014 Harold Matthews player of the year. Papenhuyzen was always earmarked as their future number 1. He went down there to learn off Slater in his last couple of seasons with the view to take over after his retirement.

Drinkwater was signed by the Storm as a half (not a fullback) and Hughes was not even seen as a first grade prospect for quite sometime and bounced around clubs (Roosters, Titans and Cowboys). Hughes was unsigned for the better part of a year. He has come good since but he was only viewed as a back up after playing well in QLD for multiple years.

There was some article published sometime last year about him being offered up by Melbourne but that was all BS. That was Schifcofske offering him to other clubs to gain leverage for playing time... which worked.

That was the big story when Paps made his debut, there were multiple stories, commentators etc saying he was turned down by majority of the NRL clubs. You might be right but at the time that was the story that was going around.

Multiple articles saying that ‘all 16 nrl clubs turned him down’.

Yeah, it was a story planted by his manager Schifcofske at the time - essentially play him or lose him (which prompted Melbourne to play him from the bench). Other clubs didn't bite because he was under contract and were not allowed to negotiate him unless they had permission from the Storm, who did not grant permission. The story was very misleading...

It's a similar situation with what happened with Harry Grant. A future star stuck behind a legend. Doesn't mean he wasn't valued by Melbourne or he wasn't a great player. Melbourne were smarter from the experienced and is one of the main reasons they opted to loan Harry out rather than keep him on the bench/in reserve grade and risk him becoming disgruntled.

 

[JC99]

Wrote about the Cotric situation sometime back, he wasn't happy with the club signing Scott as he was promised the centre position sometime back.

This move isn't about money as he had a longer term deal from Canberra, it's simply playing position and lifestyle related. He is frequently in Sydney, particularly in the off-season and wanted to move up here permanently.

Canberra often struggle with that, who wants to live in Canberra? Just joking 😂 I think he’s a better winger than centre but good at both

 

[Fade.To.Black]

The club definitely pulled the plug too early on Hodgo. He had at least another 2 years in him.

Not sure what happened behind the scenes but getting rid of him was a bad blunder. An absolute class act who put his body on the line without hesitation.
Remember feeling very empty watching him play his last game for WT (vs Titans?) and he had a great game.