cochise
Well-known member
@GNR4LIFE said:
I could not agree more!
OFFICIAL Simon Dwyer [Discussion]
- Thread starter hybrid_tiger
- Start date
I could not agree more!
GNR,all I will say is I feel sympathy for Dwyer and Tuiaki because their injuries make it impossible for them to come back….
Lawrence has the opportunity to bring his former form back to some degree,because he has had rehab and now his injuries are being better managed,although the horrendous injury of the hip restricted heaps of his movement,he was still able to be picked in FG and play to some degree albeit restricted...
This year however he says he is the best he has been and can play in his favourite position it seems,I will give him my utmost support and hope he can regain the recognition he deserves as a rep centre..
I won't bag him...I will give him his chance at redemption...many others it seems won't....
Lawrence has the opportunity to bring his former form back to some degree,because he has had rehab and now his injuries are being better managed,although the horrendous injury of the hip restricted heaps of his movement,he was still able to be picked in FG and play to some degree albeit restricted...
This year however he says he is the best he has been and can play in his favourite position it seems,I will give him my utmost support and hope he can regain the recognition he deserves as a rep centre..
I won't bag him...I will give him his chance at redemption...many others it seems won't....
Lawrence represented Australia post hip Injury….
We have seen it on this forum for years...Fitzhenry Morris Moltzen Marshall Sheens the list goes on... sheep will be sheep,,,even if Rowdy performs well which he did at times last year it's overlooked in search of a scapegoat ...
2015....Fresh start for everyone
We have seen it on this forum for years...Fitzhenry Morris Moltzen Marshall Sheens the list goes on... sheep will be sheep,,,even if Rowdy performs well which he did at times last year it's overlooked in search of a scapegoat ...
2015....Fresh start for everyone
Most people were delighted that Skandalis, Roach, Sironen and Payten were given the flick. They were delighted because it ended the boys club, and it signalled the start of a new culture based on getting the best people qualified in the pursuit of winning.
Well I have the same attitude towards the players representing the club on the field. It's nearly 4 years since he had that injury, the same injury someone like Gareth Widdop seemed to recover from in 6 months. Yes it was a shocking injury and has had a huge affect. However we are the least successful club of the last 15 years so i don't extend sympathies for good blokes who have played poorly for 3 years running.
Sure the training and conditioning staff have been from a backward era and no doubt have contributed to some of his problems. However i also like players to take some individual responsibility and accountability. Lawrence seems to buck pass all the time to the injuries excuse.
I suppose he has put pressure on himself this year to say he is fully fit and firing so i'm prepared to give him the first 5-6 rounds to see if anything has changed. I just hope that if he has the same problems the coach either puts him in reserves or he decides to retire.
The club has been stooped in mediocrity for so long. I'm just interested in them winning and if I bag Lawrence in a game its not because it personal. A player like Tuiaki never made it back to the field thats why people feel great sympathy for him. When he is reading things poorly in defense , throwing a bad pass or dropping the ball I think blaming the injury is a stretch.
Well I have the same attitude towards the players representing the club on the field. It's nearly 4 years since he had that injury, the same injury someone like Gareth Widdop seemed to recover from in 6 months. Yes it was a shocking injury and has had a huge affect. However we are the least successful club of the last 15 years so i don't extend sympathies for good blokes who have played poorly for 3 years running.
Sure the training and conditioning staff have been from a backward era and no doubt have contributed to some of his problems. However i also like players to take some individual responsibility and accountability. Lawrence seems to buck pass all the time to the injuries excuse.
I suppose he has put pressure on himself this year to say he is fully fit and firing so i'm prepared to give him the first 5-6 rounds to see if anything has changed. I just hope that if he has the same problems the coach either puts him in reserves or he decides to retire.
The club has been stooped in mediocrity for so long. I'm just interested in them winning and if I bag Lawrence in a game its not because it personal. A player like Tuiaki never made it back to the field thats why people feel great sympathy for him. When he is reading things poorly in defense , throwing a bad pass or dropping the ball I think blaming the injury is a stretch.
supercoach
Well-known member
Lawrence at his best was basically a very good hole runner,he did not create the holes,but when Benji gave him some clear air he knew what lines to run.
Iam hopefull Moses might give Lawrence the same service that Benji dished up…at his peak of course!!!!Anyway I will give Lawrence at least a month before I start bagging him
Iam hopefull Moses might give Lawrence the same service that Benji dished up…at his peak of course!!!!Anyway I will give Lawrence at least a month before I start bagging him
You can't compare the three. Tuiaki and Dwyer had career ending injuries. And boy did they have big careers in front of them. They can't even play park footy for fun with their mates. Tuiaki is struggling to make a living for himself and his family and is in constant pain. As for Dwyer, well that's another very sad story. Glad the club is looking after him by employing him. Chris on the other hand was lucky enough to recover from his injuries and continue to be in first grade and get paid top dollar.
2015 should be a make or brake for Chris.
2015 should be a make or brake for Chris.
jirskyr
Well-known member
@Eddie said:
\
@Eddie said:
You are kind of contradicting yourself - should he have retired already, or do you give him a few months of play in 2015?
cochise
Well-known member
@Eddie said:
You do realise there was a difference between Widdops and Rowdy's injuries. Just because two players suffered the same injury does not mean the severity of the injury is the same. Widdops injury went back in place quicker and more easily than Rowdy's. Now this is important because of the risk with a dislocated hip is the lack of blood flow to the head of the femur. This lack of blood flow can cause osteonecrosis of the hip. This basically means that part of the bone in the head of the femur dies. This is on the severe end of cases, the dislocation may have caused him to adjust his running style that could be putting more stress through his hamstring resulting in the hamstring tears we have seen. This in turn may have resulted in him not extending in his running style thus leading to the reduction of speed we have seen.
Now I know that is a lot of information and I do not know what has occurred in Chris' circumstance but I just wanted to use that to point out how naive it is to say that because Widdop returned in 6 months than Chris should have as well.
Also on your other point about him dropping the ball and bad defensive reads, I'd like to point out that these were not existent pre injury. So I would surmise that these issues are confidence related.
I know that is a lot of information
Angry_Tiger_1
New member
He has been a shadow of his former self. He can still run good lines and tackle head-on but his speed is gone. His best hope of reinventing himself would be to move into the back row. He has the build for it.
GNR4LIFE
Well-known member
@Angry Tiger 1 said:
Yep, and by the sounds of it, JT is open to it. Think he could turn into Luke Lewis version 2.0.
@jirskyr said:
I have been stating i think Lawrence is finished for 18 months. I would have dropped him long ago. I would not be playing him in the centres in first grade, i have been saying that since 2012.
However the coach and the man himself reckon its the first time he has had a full pre season and is fully fit. So its obvious that he will be given an opportunity, so lets how it goes i suppose is what I am saying. It's really the last chance saloon with no more excuses.
I reckon his speed is gone and young centres will carve him up.
SIMON Dwwyer can now curl his right arm unassisted.
"This time last year, no chance, he says. I had nothing. But now the bending is fairly easy. And next comes weights.
Although I've definitely got some catching up to do."
And for proof … well, let's run you through what comes next.
\
\
Former Wests Tigers player Simon Dwyer is building up his strength once again.
Explaining how after returning that bung limb to its sling, Dwyer grabs a barbell from against the wall of Coogee's CrossFitS gym and with our photographer snapping away starts shifting metal.
First, the clean: 80kg. Then the snatch: 55kg.
Throw in a 140kg dead lift and you start to wonder if it can really be only 18 months since he was still learning to write as a leftie.
"I do a squat too, but it's only 135 kilos," Dwyer says. So that needs work.
"Same with chin ups ? I can get two without assistance but I need to make 10."
And why?
Because despite being permanently disabled by rugby league, Dwyer is now preparing to compete in a series of American CrossFit events for adaptive athletes.
Training daily at his Ingleburn gym CrossFit 565 Dwyer says he is finally lifting for a reason again, while also reviving the "competitive spirit" he thought had disappeared with his NRL career.
Indeed, it will be exactly one year on Friday since Dwyer was outed as rugby league's forgotten man.
The Daily Telegraph revealing on the eve of last year's City-Country game how, since ripping five nerves from his spine in a tackle in 2011, this promising Wests Tigers enforcer had received no compensation from the NRL. No contact from the RLPA, either.
His career was gone. Management too. Even a gig as Wests Tigers video analyst was under threat.
And none of this sat well with Brad Fittler. The NSW Origin great who, having coached Dwyer in the City side during his breakout, and final, season, has kept him on staff every year since.
It was Fittler who insisted Dwyer be helped. Fittler who orchestrated a fundraiser worth $270,000.
Freddy even putting Dwyer in touch with the neurophysics guru, Ken Ware, who is now overseeing his rehabilitation.
"It's like every time I've needed guidance," the 26-year-old says, "Brad has been there."
And so with his pathway pointed out, Dwyer works.
Splitting his time between amazing lifts with that left hand, and the smallest of improvements in his right.
Indeed, of the thousands raised from that Campbelltown tribute night, Dwyer is refusing to spend a cent spent on anything but rehabilitation.
Already he has twice travelled to the Gold Coast for visits with Ware, the Queensland healer who recently featured on 60 Minutes teaching Paralympian John Maclean to walk again.
Using something called tremor therapy, Ware is also now bringing life to that previously limp right elbow.
Assisting with a rehabilitation now wedged between work with newU Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor, City Origin commitments and a growing desire to open his own gym.
And at $10,000 a visit, its movement that doesn't come cheap.
But find us a Dwyer achievement that has?
"First thing Ken told me was 'no promises'," explains this fighter from Macquarie Fields. "But in my two sessions, a week each time, there have been some real improvements.
"They're small but they are definitely there. Certainly enough to give me hope."
_Posted using RoarFEED Android 1.2.3_
"This time last year, no chance, he says. I had nothing. But now the bending is fairly easy. And next comes weights.
Although I've definitely got some catching up to do."
And for proof … well, let's run you through what comes next.
\
\
Former Wests Tigers player Simon Dwyer is building up his strength once again.
Explaining how after returning that bung limb to its sling, Dwyer grabs a barbell from against the wall of Coogee's CrossFitS gym and with our photographer snapping away starts shifting metal.
First, the clean: 80kg. Then the snatch: 55kg.
Throw in a 140kg dead lift and you start to wonder if it can really be only 18 months since he was still learning to write as a leftie.
"I do a squat too, but it's only 135 kilos," Dwyer says. So that needs work.
"Same with chin ups ? I can get two without assistance but I need to make 10."
And why?
Because despite being permanently disabled by rugby league, Dwyer is now preparing to compete in a series of American CrossFit events for adaptive athletes.
Training daily at his Ingleburn gym CrossFit 565 Dwyer says he is finally lifting for a reason again, while also reviving the "competitive spirit" he thought had disappeared with his NRL career.
Indeed, it will be exactly one year on Friday since Dwyer was outed as rugby league's forgotten man.
The Daily Telegraph revealing on the eve of last year's City-Country game how, since ripping five nerves from his spine in a tackle in 2011, this promising Wests Tigers enforcer had received no compensation from the NRL. No contact from the RLPA, either.
His career was gone. Management too. Even a gig as Wests Tigers video analyst was under threat.
And none of this sat well with Brad Fittler. The NSW Origin great who, having coached Dwyer in the City side during his breakout, and final, season, has kept him on staff every year since.
It was Fittler who insisted Dwyer be helped. Fittler who orchestrated a fundraiser worth $270,000.
Freddy even putting Dwyer in touch with the neurophysics guru, Ken Ware, who is now overseeing his rehabilitation.
"It's like every time I've needed guidance," the 26-year-old says, "Brad has been there."
And so with his pathway pointed out, Dwyer works.
Splitting his time between amazing lifts with that left hand, and the smallest of improvements in his right.
Indeed, of the thousands raised from that Campbelltown tribute night, Dwyer is refusing to spend a cent spent on anything but rehabilitation.
Already he has twice travelled to the Gold Coast for visits with Ware, the Queensland healer who recently featured on 60 Minutes teaching Paralympian John Maclean to walk again.
Using something called tremor therapy, Ware is also now bringing life to that previously limp right elbow.
Assisting with a rehabilitation now wedged between work with newU Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor, City Origin commitments and a growing desire to open his own gym.
And at $10,000 a visit, its movement that doesn't come cheap.
But find us a Dwyer achievement that has?
"First thing Ken told me was 'no promises'," explains this fighter from Macquarie Fields. "But in my two sessions, a week each time, there have been some real improvements.
"They're small but they are definitely there. Certainly enough to give me hope."
_Posted using RoarFEED Android 1.2.3_
greatodensraven
New member
All the best Simon!!
stevetiger
New member
I wish him the best.
tig_prmz
Well-known member
good luck, barb.
Tim Sheens
Well-known member
A little smile breaks every time that I catch him at a match or see him in the coaching box on TV. Not forgotten.
Staff online
-
DempsModerator