Snipers are very quiet

[tig_prmz]

Can tell the seasons not fsr off

Yes... Positively, we are currently equal first.

Who is JA……?

Me too.
Who is JA

Josh Aloiai

 

[getagrip]

Can tell the seasons not fsr off

Yes... Positively, we are currently equal first.

Who is JA……?

Me too.
Who is JA

Josh Aloiai

Of Course.
Thank you

 

[Tiger5150]

Can tell the seasons not fsr off

Yes... Positively, we are currently equal first.

Who is JA……?

Me too.
Who is JA

Josh Aloiai

Never heard of him.....Is he a soccer player?

 

[jadtiger]

Just to clarify i mean our internal snipers and not the external ones.

I can see you .....just gotta pull the trigger

Lol,i am a larger target than i used to be

 

[jirskyr]

Just to clarify i mean our internal snipers and not the external ones.

Internal snipers?


Internal snipers are people who are supporters but love putting in the boot when things are not going well(all the coaches fault,lost the dressing room etc).We all do it to a certain extent but some take it to the nth degree

They almost revel in the despair, like a "friend" who feels better when their own friends are struggling.

 

[happy_tiger]

Just to clarify i mean our internal snipers and not the external ones.

I can see you .....just gotta pull the trigger

Lol,i am a larger target than i used to be

Seriously though ...we won't know probably until late in the season where we are at ......call it rebuilding ...probably .......it's gonna be a hard job for Madge pull all the potential at his disposal together in such a short time ...as many re fully aware ...potential can be great one week ...not so great the next ...all part of the character building ...we will know in 7 months time

 

[jirskyr]

A lot has happened in a short period of time since JA flew the coup that's for sure - and arguably all positive.

The mood when the news first started to leak on here about JA was dire, I could have never imagined the turn our off season was going to take after that.

I was always hopeful Cochise . It just seemed patient . It didn’t feel like they were sitting on thier hands .

I was too, as I have found Hartigan to be very impressive but my patience was starting to strain. I am so excited for the trials now.

I honestly don’t care if the wins don’t come . As long as the team shows what it’s going to become . But I honestly don’t think that’s going to be the case . The team is built to win IMO. Maybe a lot sooner than everyone thinks .

Lots of guys with a lot to prove. I think the distance between our potential ceiling and floor is probably the widest in the Comp. I honestly don’t know what to expect but at least the club has tried for a major upheaval. If I’m seeing effort each week I’ll happily back the clubs plan.

I agree, there's potentially some gap between best and worst this year. I think it's fair to say that Tigers have a Top 8 side based on potential, the question is whether or not Madge can get everyone to maximise that potential at the same time.

The past decade of WT, in my opinion, is characterised not by having a weak roster, but by not being able to get the bulk of the roster firing at the same time. I think Tim Sheens at times had rosters no better than Potter or JT or Madge, but he was our best coach at having everyone performing to a good level for a significant period of a season (even if he could only achieve that every few seasons himself). Our ability to string together a run of victories is horrendous.

I think everyone would be happy to see this 2021 team playing smart and passionate football every week, even if there are a bunch of close losses, but to at least be satisfied that players aren't clocking off during matches or from week to week.

And the thing about 2021 specifically is - I believe this is the first real year of Madge being sufficiently unencumbered by his predecessors. Maybe more than any other WT coach, I think Madge has good coaching systems but he needs time to recruit the types of players he wants in that system. This is very Melbourne Storm-like, from his time there - Bellyache doesn't change his systems to fit his players, he picks up players that can slot into his systems. That's why some players fail to kick on after leaving Storm, because it's the Storm system that supported them achieving their best.

You can still see how much Ivan Cleary fingerprint there was on our roster, given that Penrith have just signed up 3 of our depth players and we have taken on 2 of theirs (the latter of whom Ivan did not bring to Panthers). Packer and Mbye are the last two major hold-outs from the Cleary period, but almost all the other Cleary bit-players and development projects have been moved on or relegated. And Packer and Mbye are more financial sinks in the roster than big-name signings we are forced to play (i.e. we can now truly afford not to select them). Moving Reynolds on was the key, because tying up that kind of cash with a half you don't want to field, is like fighting with one arm behind your back.

But the players we are now leaning on are young (Luciano, Blore, Stefano, Laurie, Douiehi, Simpkin, Liddle), and the experienced heads are not necessarily known for their consistency (BJ, Jimmy Jet, Mbye, Brooks).

My gut says Madge has what it takes to get these young footballers up to the level required to play finals football.

 

[happy_tiger]

A lot has happened in a short period of time since JA flew the coup that's for sure - and arguably all positive.

The mood when the news first started to leak on here about JA was dire, I could have never imagined the turn our off season was going to take after that.

I was always hopeful Cochise . It just seemed patient . It didn’t feel like they were sitting on thier hands .

I was too, as I have found Hartigan to be very impressive but my patience was starting to strain. I am so excited for the trials now.

I honestly don’t care if the wins don’t come . As long as the team shows what it’s going to become . But I honestly don’t think that’s going to be the case . The team is built to win IMO. Maybe a lot sooner than everyone thinks .

Lots of guys with a lot to prove. I think the distance between our potential ceiling and floor is probably the widest in the Comp. I honestly don’t know what to expect but at least the club has tried for a major upheaval. If I’m seeing effort each week I’ll happily back the clubs plan.

I agree, there's potentially some gap between best and worst this year. I think it's fair to say that Tigers have a Top 8 side based on potential, the question is whether or not Madge can get everyone to maximise that potential at the same time.

The past decade of WT, in my opinion, is characterised not by having a weak roster, but by not being able to get the bulk of the roster firing at the same time. I think Tim Sheens at times had rosters no better than Potter or JT or Madge, but he was our best coach at having everyone performing to a good level for a significant period of a season (even if he could only achieve that every few seasons himself). Our ability to string together a run of victories is horrendous.

I think everyone would be happy to see this 2021 team playing smart and passionate football every week, even if there are a bunch of close losses, but to at least be satisfied that players aren't clocking off during matches or from week to week.

And the thing about 2021 specifically is - I believe this is the first real year of Madge being sufficiently unencumbered by his predecessors. Maybe more than any other WT coach, I think Madge has good coaching systems but he needs time to recruit the types of players he wants in that system. This is very Melbourne Storm-like, from his time there - Bellyache doesn't change his systems to fit his players, he picks up players that can slot into his systems. That's why some players fail to kick on after leaving Storm, because it's the Storm system that supported them achieving their best.

You can still see how much Ivan Cleary fingerprint there was on our roster, given that Penrith have just signed up 3 of our depth players and we have taken on 2 of theirs (the latter of whom Ivan did not bring to Panthers). Packer and Mbye are the last two major hold-outs from the Cleary period, but almost all the other Cleary bit-players and development projects have been moved on or relegated. And Packer and Mbye are more financial sinks in the roster than big-name signings we are forced to play (i.e. we can now truly afford not to select them). Moving Reynolds on was the key, because tying up that kind of cash with a half you don't want to field, is like fighting with one arm behind your back.

But the players we are now leaning on are young (Luciano, Blore, Stefano, Laurie, Douiehi, Simpkin, Liddle), and the experienced heads are not necessarily known for their consistency (BJ, Jimmy Jet, Mbye, Brooks).

My gut says Madge has what it takes to get these young footballers up to the level required to play finals football.

Big difference was Sheens had a side that could put 5 + wins on the trot at full strength ....and had a core base of hardened NRL players to choose from ...can the 2021 Tigers do that .....64 000 dollar question

 

[earl]

everyone backing us to be in the bottom 4 really hope they can prove them wrong

We'll be closer to top 4 than bottom 4 imo.

That's going to come down to our attitude in defence. If the team shows the same sort of line speed around the ruck as last year we won't

Without Benji causing confusion in the line, we may be 4-8 points better off per game. From memory last year, our defence was great for some time, but we fell in a heap around half way in and never recovered.

I think replacing Benji with AD, will make a huge difference in defence. He's a big big body for a half. Brooks is a great defender as well.

AD's defense in the line was pretty poor. I saw him miss an easy tackle there. I think he is a big body though who can tackle. He just needs to work on his defense to get it right.

I think if you look hard enough, you will find a mistake in everyone’s game.
He’s all we got atm. He’ll be fine.

I rate him. I think he is going to be great for us and I think he was great last year. I just think he has holes in his game he needs to work on.

 

[TigerWest]

everyone backing us to be in the bottom 4 really hope they can prove them wrong

We'll be closer to top 4 than bottom 4 imo.

That's going to come down to our attitude in defence. If the team shows the same sort of line speed around the ruck as last year we won't

Without Benji causing confusion in the line, we may be 4-8 points better off per game. From memory last year, our defence was great for some time, but we fell in a heap around half way in and never recovered.

I think replacing Benji with AD, will make a huge difference in defence. He's a big big body for a half. Brooks is a great defender as well.

AD's defense in the line was pretty poor. I saw him miss an easy tackle there. I think he is a big body though who can tackle. He just needs to work on his defense to get it right.

I think if you look hard enough, you will find a mistake in everyone’s game.
He’s all we got atm. He’ll be fine.


I rate him. I think he is going to be great for us and I think he was great last year. I just think he has holes in his game he needs to work on.

Yep, if he didn't, he would still be the Roosters:grinning:

 

[earl]

A lot has happened in a short period of time since JA flew the coup that's for sure - and arguably all positive.

The mood when the news first started to leak on here about JA was dire, I could have never imagined the turn our off season was going to take after that.

I was always hopeful Cochise . It just seemed patient . It didn’t feel like they were sitting on thier hands .

I was too, as I have found Hartigan to be very impressive but my patience was starting to strain. I am so excited for the trials now.

I honestly don’t care if the wins don’t come . As long as the team shows what it’s going to become . But I honestly don’t think that’s going to be the case . The team is built to win IMO. Maybe a lot sooner than everyone thinks .

Lots of guys with a lot to prove. I think the distance between our potential ceiling and floor is probably the widest in the Comp. I honestly don’t know what to expect but at least the club has tried for a major upheaval. If I’m seeing effort each week I’ll happily back the clubs plan.

I agree, there's potentially some gap between best and worst this year. I think it's fair to say that Tigers have a Top 8 side based on potential, the question is whether or not Madge can get everyone to maximise that potential at the same time.

The past decade of WT, in my opinion, is characterised not by having a weak roster, but by not being able to get the bulk of the roster firing at the same time. I think Tim Sheens at times had rosters no better than Potter or JT or Madge, but he was our best coach at having everyone performing to a good level for a significant period of a season (even if he could only achieve that every few seasons himself). Our ability to string together a run of victories is horrendous.

I think everyone would be happy to see this 2021 team playing smart and passionate football every week, even if there are a bunch of close losses, but to at least be satisfied that players aren't clocking off during matches or from week to week.

And the thing about 2021 specifically is - I believe this is the first real year of Madge being sufficiently unencumbered by his predecessors. Maybe more than any other WT coach, I think Madge has good coaching systems but he needs time to recruit the types of players he wants in that system. This is very Melbourne Storm-like, from his time there - Bellyache doesn't change his systems to fit his players, he picks up players that can slot into his systems. That's why some players fail to kick on after leaving Storm, because it's the Storm system that supported them achieving their best.

You can still see how much Ivan Cleary fingerprint there was on our roster, given that Penrith have just signed up 3 of our depth players and we have taken on 2 of theirs (the latter of whom Ivan did not bring to Panthers). Packer and Mbye are the last two major hold-outs from the Cleary period, but almost all the other Cleary bit-players and development projects have been moved on or relegated. And Packer and Mbye are more financial sinks in the roster than big-name signings we are forced to play (i.e. we can now truly afford not to select them). Moving Reynolds on was the key, because tying up that kind of cash with a half you don't want to field, is like fighting with one arm behind your back.

But the players we are now leaning on are young (Luciano, Blore, Stefano, Laurie, Douiehi, Simpkin, Liddle), and the experienced heads are not necessarily known for their consistency (BJ, Jimmy Jet, Mbye, Brooks).

My gut says Madge has what it takes to get these young footballers up to the level required to play finals football.

Big difference was Sheens had a side that could put 5 + wins on the trot at full strength ....and had a core base of hardened NRL players to choose from ...can the 2021 Tigers do that .....64 000 dollar question

It's going to be an interesting season. I agree that we won't know where we are at until late in the season. I think this team can put 5+ wins on the trot together if somehow the coaching staff can get them playing to their ability and playing well together. I also think it's going to be hard to pull everyone together this season.

 

[cqtiger]

everyone backing us to be in the bottom 4 really hope they can prove them wrong

We'll be closer to top 4 than bottom 4 imo.

That's going to come down to our attitude in defence. If the team shows the same sort of line speed around the ruck as last year we won't

Without Benji causing confusion in the line, we may be 4-8 points better off per game. From memory last year, our defence was great for some time, but we fell in a heap around half way in and never recovered.

We fall in a heap EVERY year mid season.

 

[cqtiger]

A lot has happened in a short period of time since JA flew the coup that's for sure - and arguably all positive.

The mood when the news first started to leak on here about JA was dire, I could have never imagined the turn our off season was going to take after that.

I was always hopeful Cochise . It just seemed patient . It didn’t feel like they were sitting on thier hands .

I was too, as I have found Hartigan to be very impressive but my patience was starting to strain. I am so excited for the trials now.

I honestly don’t care if the wins don’t come . As long as the team shows what it’s going to become . But I honestly don’t think that’s going to be the case . The team is built to win IMO. Maybe a lot sooner than everyone thinks .

Lots of guys with a lot to prove. I think the distance between our potential ceiling and floor is probably the widest in the Comp. I honestly don’t know what to expect but at least the club has tried for a major upheaval. If I’m seeing effort each week I’ll happily back the clubs plan.

I agree, there's potentially some gap between best and worst this year. I think it's fair to say that Tigers have a Top 8 side based on potential, the question is whether or not Madge can get everyone to maximise that potential at the same time.

The past decade of WT, in my opinion, is characterised not by having a weak roster, but by not being able to get the bulk of the roster firing at the same time. I think Tim Sheens at times had rosters no better than Potter or JT or Madge, but he was our best coach at having everyone performing to a good level for a significant period of a season (even if he could only achieve that every few seasons himself). Our ability to string together a run of victories is horrendous.

I think everyone would be happy to see this 2021 team playing smart and passionate football every week, even if there are a bunch of close losses, but to at least be satisfied that players aren't clocking off during matches or from week to week.

And the thing about 2021 specifically is - I believe this is the first real year of Madge being sufficiently unencumbered by his predecessors. Maybe more than any other WT coach, I think Madge has good coaching systems but he needs time to recruit the types of players he wants in that system. This is very Melbourne Storm-like, from his time there - Bellyache doesn't change his systems to fit his players, he picks up players that can slot into his systems. That's why some players fail to kick on after leaving Storm, because it's the Storm system that supported them achieving their best.

You can still see how much Ivan Cleary fingerprint there was on our roster, given that Penrith have just signed up 3 of our depth players and we have taken on 2 of theirs (the latter of whom Ivan did not bring to Panthers). Packer and Mbye are the last two major hold-outs from the Cleary period, but almost all the other Cleary bit-players and development projects have been moved on or relegated. And Packer and Mbye are more financial sinks in the roster than big-name signings we are forced to play (i.e. we can now truly afford not to select them). Moving Reynolds on was the key, because tying up that kind of cash with a half you don't want to field, is like fighting with one arm behind your back.

But the players we are now leaning on are young (Luciano, Blore, Stefano, Laurie, Douiehi, Simpkin, Liddle), and the experienced heads are not necessarily known for their consistency (BJ, Jimmy Jet, Mbye, Brooks).

My gut says Madge has what it takes to get these young footballers up to the level required to play finals football.

Big difference was Sheens had a side that could put 5 + wins on the trot at full strength ....and had a core base of hardened NRL players to choose from ...can the 2021 Tigers do that .....64 000 dollar question

It's going to be an interesting season. I agree that we won't know where we are at until late in the season. I think this team can put 5+ wins on the trot together if somehow the coaching staff can get them playing to their ability and playing well together. I also think it's going to be hard to pull everyone together this season.

My gut tells me that if the injury gods are kind, we play finals footy but if they are unkind we are mid table at best

 

[happy_tiger]

A lot has happened in a short period of time since JA flew the coup that's for sure - and arguably all positive.

The mood when the news first started to leak on here about JA was dire, I could have never imagined the turn our off season was going to take after that.

I was always hopeful Cochise . It just seemed patient . It didn’t feel like they were sitting on thier hands .

I was too, as I have found Hartigan to be very impressive but my patience was starting to strain. I am so excited for the trials now.

I honestly don’t care if the wins don’t come . As long as the team shows what it’s going to become . But I honestly don’t think that’s going to be the case . The team is built to win IMO. Maybe a lot sooner than everyone thinks .

Lots of guys with a lot to prove. I think the distance between our potential ceiling and floor is probably the widest in the Comp. I honestly don’t know what to expect but at least the club has tried for a major upheaval. If I’m seeing effort each week I’ll happily back the clubs plan.

I agree, there's potentially some gap between best and worst this year. I think it's fair to say that Tigers have a Top 8 side based on potential, the question is whether or not Madge can get everyone to maximise that potential at the same time.

The past decade of WT, in my opinion, is characterised not by having a weak roster, but by not being able to get the bulk of the roster firing at the same time. I think Tim Sheens at times had rosters no better than Potter or JT or Madge, but he was our best coach at having everyone performing to a good level for a significant period of a season (even if he could only achieve that every few seasons himself). Our ability to string together a run of victories is horrendous.

I think everyone would be happy to see this 2021 team playing smart and passionate football every week, even if there are a bunch of close losses, but to at least be satisfied that players aren't clocking off during matches or from week to week.

And the thing about 2021 specifically is - I believe this is the first real year of Madge being sufficiently unencumbered by his predecessors. Maybe more than any other WT coach, I think Madge has good coaching systems but he needs time to recruit the types of players he wants in that system. This is very Melbourne Storm-like, from his time there - Bellyache doesn't change his systems to fit his players, he picks up players that can slot into his systems. That's why some players fail to kick on after leaving Storm, because it's the Storm system that supported them achieving their best.

You can still see how much Ivan Cleary fingerprint there was on our roster, given that Penrith have just signed up 3 of our depth players and we have taken on 2 of theirs (the latter of whom Ivan did not bring to Panthers). Packer and Mbye are the last two major hold-outs from the Cleary period, but almost all the other Cleary bit-players and development projects have been moved on or relegated. And Packer and Mbye are more financial sinks in the roster than big-name signings we are forced to play (i.e. we can now truly afford not to select them). Moving Reynolds on was the key, because tying up that kind of cash with a half you don't want to field, is like fighting with one arm behind your back.

But the players we are now leaning on are young (Luciano, Blore, Stefano, Laurie, Douiehi, Simpkin, Liddle), and the experienced heads are not necessarily known for their consistency (BJ, Jimmy Jet, Mbye, Brooks).

My gut says Madge has what it takes to get these young footballers up to the level required to play finals football.

Big difference was Sheens had a side that could put 5 + wins on the trot at full strength ....and had a core base of hardened NRL players to choose from ...can the 2021 Tigers do that .....64 000 dollar question

It's going to be an interesting season. I agree that we won't know where we are at until late in the season. I think this team can put 5+ wins on the trot together if somehow the coaching staff can get them playing to their ability and playing well together. I also think it's going to be hard to pull everyone together this season.

At some stage during the season Madge is going to think he is herding cats

 

[happy_tiger]

everyone backing us to be in the bottom 4 really hope they can prove them wrong

We'll be closer to top 4 than bottom 4 imo.

That's going to come down to our attitude in defence. If the team shows the same sort of line speed around the ruck as last year we won't

Without Benji causing confusion in the line, we may be 4-8 points better off per game. From memory last year, our defence was great for some time, but we fell in a heap around half way in and never recovered.

We fall in a heap EVERY year mid season.

Yep around that Rd 10-12 ...we lose the ability to perform due to lack of mental intensity , injuries because blokes are having to play at 110% every week to just keep us in games , and quite often size and strength issues creating both mental and physical fatigue problems

Good call CQ

 

[Telltails]

Most teams go through a form slump during the season. Our problem has been building enough wins to sustain it.

 

[mike]

Can tell the seasons not fsr off

Yes... Positively, we are currently equal first.

Who is JA……?

Me too.
Who is JA

Josh Aloiai


Never heard of him.....Is he a soccer player?

Darts...

 

[Papacito]

I've been critical of our retention and signings and I'm still not confident our roster is top 8 material.

But at the end of the day, I'm itching for the footy to re-start and will be cheering the boys on in the hope of being proven wrong.

 

[kiwitiger]

I've been critical of our retention and signings and I'm still not confident our roster is top 8 material.

But at the end of the day, I'm itching for the footy to re-start and will be cheering the boys on in the hope of being proven wrong.

If you haven't questioned retention and signings for this club in the last 10 years you would be an idiot. We haven't made the finals in this time so if you haven't questioned the direction of the club at some stage you are happy to give them your money and go with the flow.
I have 2 concerns tbh. 1 people have really really overrated our pack. 2 covid. We are trying to develop young players and we need Canterbury Cup. Some players are in the same place in their development 12 months on. If cc is not played fully this year we will be hindered in our development.

 

[TigerWest]

I've been critical of our retention and signings and I'm still not confident our roster is top 8 material.

But at the end of the day, I'm itching for the footy to re-start and will be cheering the boys on in the hope of being proven wrong.

If you haven't questioned retention and signings for this club in the last 10 years you would be an idiot. We haven't made the finals in this time so if you haven't questioned the direction of the club at some stage you are happy to give them your money and go with the flow.
I have 2 concerns tbh. 1 **people have really really overrated our pack.** 2 covid. We are trying to develop young players and we need Canterbury Cup. Some players are in the same place in their development 12 months on. If cc is not played fully this year we will be hindered in our development.

I think there is a reason we have been upgraded with our new forward pack?