So are we allowed to discuss the Sharkies situation?

Happy, it's becoming clearer and clearer by the day the only people who are making poor decisions are the people/clubs who are refusing to make the correct choices of stepping down…

In fact with all the finger pointing going on south of Sydney, it's fair to say the club/players are the ones ruining the 2013 season by dragging this out further... ASADA seem to be acting in a very helpful/supportive manner!
 
Senate sport drugs inquiry - Sharks players may have to face parliament

EXCLUSIVE by Phillip Hudson
The Daily Telegraph
March 20, 201312:00AM

SHARKS captain Paul Gallen, coach Shane Flanagan and besieged sports scientist Stephen Dank could be called before a senate inquiry to answer questions about alleged drug use in sport.

The senate is expected to agree to Victorian Greens Senator Richard Di Natale's plea for an inquiry into the relationship among sports scientists, players and support staff.

The Cronulla Sharks rugby league and Essendon AFL clubs are likely to feature at any inquiry after both were rocked recently by claims about injections given to players.

The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has singled out the Cronulla Sharks for allegedly administering players with performance-enhancing drugs. Key figures at the club, including Gallen and Flanagan, could provide an insight into the club's overall operation.

Senator Di Natale, a doctor who played ruck-rover for Coburg and Oakleigh in the Victorian Football Association, said he wanted coaches, football operations managers, team doctors, allied health professionals and sport scientists to appear at the inquiry.

The inquiry will investigate AFL and rugby league and while players may be called, they are not the focus of the senate's efforts.

The senate has the power to force witnesses to appear.

"We want to find out what's gone wrong," Senator Di Natale told The Daily Telegraph. "How did it happen and how can we prevent it happening again?

"How is it that individuals in a sporting organisation have been injected with substances that are not fit for human consumption and substances that are not approved by drug regulators or the inappropriate use of prescription drugs?

"Everybody is hard on the athletes as cheats but the clubs and the codes have a responsibility. If you are a 17-year-old kid from the country you are in a difficult position to challenge or question that."

Senator Di Natale queried how, in some cases, club doctors were kept in the dark about injections to players.

The senate inquiry will be held as part of a package for the Greens to support government legislation to give extra powers to ASADA.

But the Greens have watered down some of the proposed powers, now requiring an independent panel to sign off on investigations and rejecting a move to abolish the right to silence of the people it investigates.
 
@Tiger Watto said:
Happy, it's becoming clearer and clearer by the day the only people who are making poor decisions are the people/clubs who are refusing to make the correct choices of stepping down…

In fact with all the finger pointing going on south of Sydney, it's fair to say the club/players are the ones ruining the 2013 season by dragging this out further... ASADA seem to be acting in a very helpful/supportive manner!

All the while we have to put up with the Telegraph's circle jerk about how the Sharks are putting up a fight on the field and the back slapping mentality that follows on from that.
 
This is just a crazy idea. As Chris Lawrence points out, why should clubs in the right be penalised for the actions of clubs who did the wrong thing?

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/nrl-plans-player-pool-for-doping-crisis-20130319-2gdmg.html
 
Understand the need for contingencies but this is ridiculous. The a mount of poaching this will cause will be massive.
For instance if Moltz continues playing well and our backs remain injury free, someone like Tedesco would be in our bottom 10 and could play for someone else, possibly playing finals Footy, forming bonds with the new group and requesting to leave us.

I hate this crap…...
 
@Yossarian said:
This is just a crazy idea. As Chris Lawrence points out, why should clubs in the right be penalised for the actions of clubs who did the wrong thing?

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/nrl-plans-player-pool-for-doping-crisis-20130319-2gdmg.html

They'd never get away with it The clubs would band together and take legal action

And if they didn't I'd sure as hell try and work out a way to do it
 
@stryker said:
Understand the need for contingencies but this is ridiculous. The a mount of poaching this will cause will be massive.
For instance if Moltz continues playing well and our backs remain injury free, someone like Tedesco would be in our bottom 10 and could play for someone else, possibly playing finals Footy, forming bonds with the new group and requesting to leave us.

I hate this crap…...

And what if they take iosefa and then farah get injured. We then have no hooker.
The idea of it is stupid.
The guilty clubs should pay the price.
If we lose 10 players to injury does the nrl allow us to pick players from other clubs.
In fact we are penalised because we end up upgrading the fringe players and blow the cap.
Why is this situation different?
 
Has any heard our new ARLC CEO (who no doubt is being paid an arm and a leg)come up with even 1 smart idea yet

Maybe I should have applied for the job
 
31 curent players to be i'viewed individually beginning next week, expected to last several weeks.
Also 10 ex NRL players same situ

Players wont be named, no sanctions/penalties until sufficient evidence
Clubs themselves basically in the clear, its now individuals
 
Not a fan of the player pool idea…. though I would like to know how much money they will be able to spend to lure them over seeing as most clubs should be close to their respective salary caps. It would be unfair for the clubs not implicated if the Sharks were able to open up a decent balance to poach with, extremely wrong if it is bankrolled by the NRL itself.

Its a crap idea on the whole, even when broken down to the clubs having to choose their top 15's so those players on long contracts opened up to the pool wouldnt be filled with confidence in their teams management, could effect team morale in a big way.
 
Well that is the best news I have heard in this saga. Narrowing it down to individuals acting outside clubs really helps protect the game
 
Thirty one NRL players are to be interviewed by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority in relation to its investigation into the use of illegal performance enhancing substances.

NRL CEO Dave Smith said on Wednesday he expected the process to take between four to six weeks.

ASADA has informed the NRL that aside from some well-documented concerns at Cronulla, its clear focus is now on whether individuals, or groups of individuals, may have acted outside of club programs.

"ASADA will issue the notices in the next few days and those interviews will begin. In the next 4-6 weeks those interviews will have been completed," Smith said.
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Smith said the investigation had moved from clubs to individuals and that 15 of the 16 NRL clubs had been cleared of being involved in systemic doping.

"They're [ASADA] now moving the investigations to the players. We're not going to talk about which clubs it is.

"We will not stand down any player until there is sufficient evidence for an infraction notice."

"It's an investigation so by definition as they get into the detail, things may change. I don't know any of the names of the individuals. We've been able to ring-fence the next stage."

The NRL stressed that a request for interview does not mean that a person is under direct suspicion.

“This is the most comprehensive picture ASADA has been able to provide to date and it is the result of some significant work on their part,” Smith said.

“ASADA has made it clear that we are not looking at orchestrated issues involving a number of clubs.

“Their inquiries are focusing more towards a number of individuals who have acted independently.

“People need to remember that ASADA is still in an investigative stage and at this point we are not talking about any breach having been established nor any players or officials being charged.

“The investigators have also been at pains to point out that the request to interview around 30 players does not mean all of those players are under direct suspicion.

“Nobody should be pre-judged and the NRL will not stand down any player until there is sufficient evidence for an infraction notice to be issued.”
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Another interesting read by Roy Masters which suggests ASADA have email evidence of doping practices at Cronulla. Struggling to see how Flanagan didn't know whats going on. Surely a good coach knows everything.:

An email trail linking the four sacked members of the Sharks' football department demonstrates they feared possible doping breaches at the club at least two months before May 29, 2011, when sports scientist, Stephen Dank, was told to leave.
Hard copies of emails, dating from March 2011, linking football manager Darren Mooney, club doctor David Givney, physiotherapist Konrad Schultz and trainer Mark Noakes show they could have informed the Cronulla board much earlier of the possible use of performance-enhancing drugs at the club. The trail also includes a warning from a doctor at another NRL club. The NRL has confirmed information obtained by Deloitte Forensic and funded by the NRL has been sent to ASADA.
''It is ASADA's investigation,'' an NRL spokesman said. ''We hired Deloitte Forensic, and they passed the information on.''
The Sharks conducted their own inquiry, which led to the sacking of the four staff and the standing down of coach Shane Flanagan due to failure of management practices. This is in keeping with ASADA penalties that reflect the additional duty of care of people in supervisory positions, with sanctions between eight years and life for those found guilty of doping offences. Flanagan has subsequently been reinstated, following hard-copy evidence he was not part of the email trail.

However, the emails demonstrate that the four sacked members of the football department could have acted sooner against Dank and trainer Trent Elkin.
Flanagan was also reinstated because the NRL and the Cronulla board clearly see him as a mentor who can offer sound advice to the 14 Sharks players being investigated by ASADA.
While some members of the board justify the initial standing down of Flanagan because a head coach is expected to be an all-seeing eye at a club, they recognise the confidence the players have in him.
Flanagan can be expected to study the ASADA drug code and potential range of penalties available and make recommendations to players who hold him in a position of trust. He is signed for a further two years and if any of the 14 players accepted a six-month ban they would be back for the 2014 season.
ASADA will recommend some six-month penalties via its ability to offer a maximum 75 per cent discount of a two-year ban, provided a player offers ''substantial assistance''. It is likely young players, some of whom have literacy problems, may be offered the minimum suspension, while long-term players who have had the
benefit of hours of drug education may face longer bans.
Clearly any club in this situation would have concerns about the shadow these serious issues will cast over the heads of younger players, particularly the younger Polynesian ones who come from a different cultural background to some of their peers.
The legal and PR costs to the Sharks, together with their own forensic accounting, have hocked the cash-strapped club to the NRL for at least five years.
Board elections will be held next month, and voting tickets are being arranged, but the future of the club, involving a possible relocation to Perth, will be in the hands of the NRL, not the incoming directors.
NRL sources indicate the Sharks are not privy to ASADA's intelligence, which is thought to have been obtained by phone taps, surveillance and intercepts.
Its protocol demands this evidence be first placed in front of players at interviews, giving them the option of co-operating.
The Sharks are at the end point of an 18-month investigation, which began with the detection of imported peptides from China. Sources suggest the drugs were ultimately acquired by people with connections to NRL and AFL clubs.
It is possible these agents may escape without any penalty. ASADA has no sanctioning powers. It merely makes recommendations to a sport's judiciary. Nor can it demand an interview of anyone not contracted to a club.
In other words, Dank, who now has no association with the NRL or the AFL, may refuse to be interviewed by ASADA and not appear before any tribunal. He has repeatedly said he has done no wrong. Performance-enhancing drugs are not illegal in Australia, and therefore attract no criminal sanctions. While ASADA has praised the NRL for its co-operation, it is understood the AFL's own integrity unit is taking a significant role in its investigation into Essendon and any associated cases.
While ASADA has an NRL whistleblower, it is not clear whether the same applies to the AFL.
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Roy Masters is probably the only journo who seems to have a detailed grasp on the facts. Whoever his sources are, they're pretty on the money. With regards to the Sharks, I don't think anyone at the club in 2011 could realistically mount a case they didn't know what was going on but on Flanagan, I'm sure he's of the mentality that the science/fitness stuff is largely other people's responsibility and secondly there's no point punting him and keeping the players.

Meanwhile, as per usual, Danny Weidler just writes junk with no understanding of what's actually happening.
 
Its interesting to hear about the sacked staffers emailing concerns about Dank and PEDs months before Dank was turfed from the club….if its true.

The board have been made out to be self interested and covering their own butts. This new detail explains their motives and clears some things up.
 
@LaT said:
Its interesting to hear about the sacked staffers emailing concerns about Dank and PEDs months before Dank was turfed from the club….if its true.

The board have been made out to be self interested and covering their own butts. This new detail explains their motives and clears some things up.

And this is what happens when you have a team run on shoestring budget and understaffed And now the game is paying the price because a club is financially buggered

What would happen in the real business world ??

Have heard a story going around that Irvine is begging the people sacked not to sue him as he is doing the job for free and is himself broke
 
For me the picture is emerging of Irvine living life as some sort of a quasi club owner. A lifelong fan given the chance to live out his fantasy.

As much as it warmed Sharks fans hearts to hear about a guy working two jobs and being club chairman for free, the reality is he was never going to give up his dream job and the power he wielded, which was a detriment to the club in the end.

All I've heard about Irvine from Sharks fans the past few years is how he turned everything around, and he certainly did some good things, mainly Flanagan as coach IMO. But the property development always looked like being approved eventually.
 
@Yossarian said:
Roy Masters is probably the only journo who seems to have a detailed grasp on the facts. Whoever his sources are, they're pretty on the money. With regards to the Sharks, I don't think anyone at the club in 2011 could realistically mount a case they didn't know what was going on but on Flanagan, I'm sure he's of the mentality that the science/fitness stuff is largely other people's responsibility and secondly there's no point punting him and keeping the players.

Meanwhile, as per usual, Danny Weidler just writes junk with no understanding of what's actually happening.

Yeah I find it notable that both Hibbert and Dank have refused to cooperate with ASADA but have both got a lawyer and pleading their innocence through Danny Weilder.. I guess any [This word has been automatically removed] will do.
 
Well Danny just seems to take what a small cabal of his mates tell him at face value. Just when you think the bloke reaches rock bottom he gets the shovel out and goes a few feet deeper…
 
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