What was everyones take on 4 corners? Whilst it didn't implicate rugby league heavily, instead insinuating more AFL problems, the Dank/former manly trainer combo that went to essendon and started their problems is a little suspect. Interesting seeing some reliable journalism about the issue.
So are we allowed to discuss the Sharkies situation?
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and wow….
nothing happened.
nothing happened.
@Illek said:
Read Roy Masters columns on the subject. Possibly the only journo who knows what he's writing about.
Tiger_Watto
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<big>**Peptides given to Cronulla Sharks players may have hastened former player Jon Mannah's death**</big>
Josh Massoud, James Hooper and Rebecca Wilson
The Daily Telegraph April 26, 2013 12:00AM
News Limited reports the cancer which claimed NRL star Jon Mannah may have been accelerated by peptides.
THE independent report into Cronulla's 2011 supplement program has warned peptides given to players may have accelerated former prop Jon Mannah's fatal cancer.
An explosive report has raised concerns about the potential of an "identified causal link" between peptides CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 and Mannah's relapse into Hodgkin's lymphoma in late 2011.
The report details how a number of Cronulla players were "administered" with peptides, including CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 between March and May in 2011.
This was after sports scientist Stephen Dank was recruited to Cronulla by ex-Sharks head trainer Trent Elkin at the beginning of the 2011 season.
But it is not known whether these drugs were part of Mr Dank's program.
Mannah, who played five NRL games while Mr Dank was employed at the Sharks at the start of 2011, died in January this year.
A leaked extract from the 60-plus page report warns: "Based on the chronology it appears Mannah was administered with substances including CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 during the period from March to May in 2011.
"A brief review of available published medical literature suggests an identified causal link between the use of substances such as CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 and the acceleration of the condition of disease Hodgkin's lymphoma.
"Without knowing anything further about Mannah's exact medical history and without seeking expert opinion from an appropriately qualified oncologist it is difficult to take this issue further.
"The issue of Mannah has the potential to be as serious as matters could get."
The Daily Telegraph yesterday asked Mr Dank and his lawyer Greg Stanton if Mr Dank or any of his staff had ever administered the drugs identified in the Cronulla report to Mannah.
Mr Dank did not respond. Mr Stanton said he would reserve his response until seeing today's article.
Mr Dank maintains he has never given banned drugs to NRL players and has started legal action against media organisations for $10 million in damages over the ongoing reporting of the issue.
Mr Elkin has previously said: "On the advice of my legal team, I have provided ASADA officials with a statement as part of their investigation and gave an honest account of the period in question. I have never condoned the use of performance-enhancing drugs and I have not ever knowingly worked with anyone who did."
Newly-appointed Sharks CEO Bruno Cullen confirmed the club had handed the report, compiled by ex-ASADA deputy chair Tricia Kavanagh, over to ASADA and the NRL. One of the Sharks' previous directors was so concerned with the Mannah element of the report he sought advice of independent oncologists for further medical guidance.
Once ASADA obtained the report, the anti-doping authority opted to postpone the scheduled interviews with Cronulla players due to start last Wednesday until Monday.
Mr Cullen said: "I've signed a confidentiality agreement and we've handed the report over to ASADA and the NRL. We understand ASADA will be handing it over to the police and they may have done that this week."
Leading sports doctor Peter Larkins last night described any attempt to treat a previous cancer sufferer with growth accelerants as "an absolutely indefensible thing to do".
"I would have thought if I had any player or any patient that had any history of any cancer process, the last thing I would even contemplate giving them is anything that increased cell growth," Dr Larkins, one of the AFL's leading medicos, said.
Oncologist David Dalley, from St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney, wasn't aware of any evidence of a link between growth supplements and lymphoma but warned against the ingestion of supplements of which the side-effects have not been properly measured.
"I cannot find evidence that these chemicals were causal in the stimulation of lymphoma but I cannot say there is no link as there is no data," he said.
Ms Kavanagh last night declined to discuss the contents of the report.
"I cannot comment, because the report is privileged. But generally there are matters of serious concern," she said.
The Daily Telegraph went to the Mannah family's home in western Sydney yesterday to ascertain if they were aware of the contents of the report.
The family, including Mannah's parents and brother Tim, who plays for the Parramatta Eels, was unaware and did not wish to comment.
In the extract of the report about Mannah, it also warns: "The club should be prepared for the potential for … media making the same causal connection between the program administered and the illness suffered by Mannah."
The Sharks are one of the clubs involved in the Australian Crime Commission and ASADA's investigation into banned drug use in sport.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/peptides-given-to-cronulla-sharks-players-may-have-hastened-former-player-jon-mannahs-death/story-e6frexrr-1226629608852
Josh Massoud, James Hooper and Rebecca Wilson
The Daily Telegraph April 26, 2013 12:00AM
News Limited reports the cancer which claimed NRL star Jon Mannah may have been accelerated by peptides.
THE independent report into Cronulla's 2011 supplement program has warned peptides given to players may have accelerated former prop Jon Mannah's fatal cancer.
An explosive report has raised concerns about the potential of an "identified causal link" between peptides CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 and Mannah's relapse into Hodgkin's lymphoma in late 2011.
The report details how a number of Cronulla players were "administered" with peptides, including CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 between March and May in 2011.
This was after sports scientist Stephen Dank was recruited to Cronulla by ex-Sharks head trainer Trent Elkin at the beginning of the 2011 season.
But it is not known whether these drugs were part of Mr Dank's program.
Mannah, who played five NRL games while Mr Dank was employed at the Sharks at the start of 2011, died in January this year.
A leaked extract from the 60-plus page report warns: "Based on the chronology it appears Mannah was administered with substances including CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 during the period from March to May in 2011.
"A brief review of available published medical literature suggests an identified causal link between the use of substances such as CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 and the acceleration of the condition of disease Hodgkin's lymphoma.
"Without knowing anything further about Mannah's exact medical history and without seeking expert opinion from an appropriately qualified oncologist it is difficult to take this issue further.
"The issue of Mannah has the potential to be as serious as matters could get."
The Daily Telegraph yesterday asked Mr Dank and his lawyer Greg Stanton if Mr Dank or any of his staff had ever administered the drugs identified in the Cronulla report to Mannah.
Mr Dank did not respond. Mr Stanton said he would reserve his response until seeing today's article.
Mr Dank maintains he has never given banned drugs to NRL players and has started legal action against media organisations for $10 million in damages over the ongoing reporting of the issue.
Mr Elkin has previously said: "On the advice of my legal team, I have provided ASADA officials with a statement as part of their investigation and gave an honest account of the period in question. I have never condoned the use of performance-enhancing drugs and I have not ever knowingly worked with anyone who did."
Newly-appointed Sharks CEO Bruno Cullen confirmed the club had handed the report, compiled by ex-ASADA deputy chair Tricia Kavanagh, over to ASADA and the NRL. One of the Sharks' previous directors was so concerned with the Mannah element of the report he sought advice of independent oncologists for further medical guidance.
Once ASADA obtained the report, the anti-doping authority opted to postpone the scheduled interviews with Cronulla players due to start last Wednesday until Monday.
Mr Cullen said: "I've signed a confidentiality agreement and we've handed the report over to ASADA and the NRL. We understand ASADA will be handing it over to the police and they may have done that this week."
Leading sports doctor Peter Larkins last night described any attempt to treat a previous cancer sufferer with growth accelerants as "an absolutely indefensible thing to do".
"I would have thought if I had any player or any patient that had any history of any cancer process, the last thing I would even contemplate giving them is anything that increased cell growth," Dr Larkins, one of the AFL's leading medicos, said.
Oncologist David Dalley, from St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney, wasn't aware of any evidence of a link between growth supplements and lymphoma but warned against the ingestion of supplements of which the side-effects have not been properly measured.
"I cannot find evidence that these chemicals were causal in the stimulation of lymphoma but I cannot say there is no link as there is no data," he said.
Ms Kavanagh last night declined to discuss the contents of the report.
"I cannot comment, because the report is privileged. But generally there are matters of serious concern," she said.
The Daily Telegraph went to the Mannah family's home in western Sydney yesterday to ascertain if they were aware of the contents of the report.
The family, including Mannah's parents and brother Tim, who plays for the Parramatta Eels, was unaware and did not wish to comment.
In the extract of the report about Mannah, it also warns: "The club should be prepared for the potential for … media making the same causal connection between the program administered and the illness suffered by Mannah."
The Sharks are one of the clubs involved in the Australian Crime Commission and ASADA's investigation into banned drug use in sport.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/peptides-given-to-cronulla-sharks-players-may-have-hastened-former-player-jon-mannahs-death/story-e6frexrr-1226629608852
Tiger_Watto
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KABOOM!!!
Time for the nay-sayers pressuring the NRL to take the softly approach to this subject to step aside…
Time for the nay-sayers pressuring the NRL to take the softly approach to this subject to step aside…
This latest is disgusting, Leave the family still suffering daily alone.
There is no way to prove these situation if true and it only serves to tarnish a great guys reputation.
Im livid like never before.
There is no way to prove these situation if true and it only serves to tarnish a great guys reputation.
Im livid like never before.
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So even after having a oncologist tell them it is crap the DT not only go ahead with the story but approach the Mannah family.
Human garbage
Human garbage
happy_tiger
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@Spartan117 said:
x 2 Spartan
My belief that with John's Faith and the strength of believe he has in God he would not alter his body in any way ,shape or form chemically
The journos involved if untrue or proven false should be sacked on the spot
Wilson wouldn't like it if someone ran off and told stories nationally about her niece who died recently from a similiar battle
@smeghead said:
To be fair to the DT they're reporting something that has been discussed pretty extensively outside the press.
In any case, the oncologist quoted said he didn't know because of a lack of studies rather than that it's crap. He doesn't exactly rule it out.
_"I cannot find evidence that these chemicals were causal in the stimulation of lymphoma but I cannot say there is no link as there is no data," he said._
Having said that, sending a reporter out to the family home is both un-necessary and poor form.
happy_tiger
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Totally off subject , but isn't it amazing how two clubs are dealing with this situation on different spheres
Essendon are going from strength to strength , the harder it seems to get for them the more they lift
Cronulla , all I hear every post watch interview from Flanagan is "this is destroying the club , we can't cope, its not fair :bawling :blah "
Piece of advice Flanagan , ring James Hird and find out the secret , use it as a weapon not as an excuse
Essendon are going from strength to strength , the harder it seems to get for them the more they lift
Cronulla , all I hear every post watch interview from Flanagan is "this is destroying the club , we can't cope, its not fair :bawling :blah "
Piece of advice Flanagan , ring James Hird and find out the secret , use it as a weapon not as an excuse
@Spartan117 said:
Well said Spartan.
I wouldn't expect any less from glorifed gossip columnists like Massoud and Bourbon Becky. They rank with Tom Waterhouse as utter parasites.
@Cultured Bogan said:
They claim to have known about the links for weeks, and are only releasing it now - as if that is supposed to lessen the impact, and validate what is a journalistic travesty - sure lets put a face (a victim!!! if you will,) on this whole debarcle, and show that we (ASADA) are "Doing-it-for-Johnny"
Disgusting.
Honestly who cares if he did take drugs or didn't. He has already passed away. There is nothing to be gained from this. It's as bad as Princess Diana, Michael Jackson etc. They died and it's a shame they did, pinning it on someone else as a conspiracy theory is not going to bring them back to life. Mannah family aren't asking more questions for a reason. Why prompt it further? It gives no one closure to know someone could have lived longer. Sickening that the media exploit people for such a story, such a dog eat dog world out there, definitely has no place in Sport.
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@underdog said:
Look if this was going to come out anyhow, it may well have been a courtesy to inform the Mannah family.
I personally believe they should have just left Jon Mannah out of this completely. Having lost a sibling myself.
But in the interests of getting all information out there I can understand.
IMO if they can prove that Jon Mannah took these peptides and it might well have accelerated his cancer, it should be known so no person is subject to the same treatment ever again.
Also Cronulla will be no more… done.
tig_prmz
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truly disgusting.
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