St George Illawarra chase compensation over Tim Moltzen cont

[tigersrule4life]

ST GEORGE Illawarra haven't given up hope of getting compensation in the wake of the ugly Tim Moltzen contract tug of war.

As the Dragons yesterday completed their first day of pre-season training without their star recruit, club boss Peter Doust confirmed the fight for damages was just starting.

"We are investigating our legal options and we'll certainly be asking the Player Manager's Accreditation Scheme through Neil Cadigan to investigate the role of management in this," Doust said.

Asked if the club would be chasing compensation, Doust said: "I think the ultimate objective would be to get some compensation from parties involved, predominantly Wests Tigers.

"We believe the manager (Martin Tauber) was an integral part of the communication between the Wests Tigers and the Dragons and his obligations under the NRL rules are pretty straightforward."

The Player Manager's Accreditation Scheme is due to meet early next month and Cadigan is expected to provide a report on Tauber's role.

Coach Steve Price would not comment on speculation Moltzen never returned his calls after signing with the Dragons. "That's a question you might like to ask Tim," he said.

The Dragons are yet to determine which home games will be played at WIN Stadium next year because of damage to the roof.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/st-george-illawarra-chase-compensation-over-tim-moltzen-contract-spat/story-e6frexnr-1226202899230

 

[Spartan117]

Dragons further confirming that the are a club of wingers and sore losers.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Dragons further confirming that the are a club of wingers and sore losers.

QFT.

Chasing compensation predominantly from Wests Tigers? They've technically done nothing wrong, you can't pursue damages when a party isn't in the wrong. Tauber on the other hand has a lot to answer for.

Are St. Merge that hard up for cash they need to sue other clubs for revenue?

 

[black_and_white_tige]

The Drongo's attitude is obviously, if we can't win the premiership, we take compensation from where ever we can get. A win in the court is as good as a win on the field.
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[wests4ever]

What an absolute JOKE!!!!!WTF??????
THEY ARE KIDDING AREN'T THEY???????
If any club is "legally culpable" it's ST MERGE STAIN in this incident.
They signed a player without an official release from his remaining contract with THE TIGERS!!!! FACT.
The Tigers did nothing legally wrong!!!FACT.
Therefore there is no compensation owing to the GAGQUEENS!!!!!!!
WHEN WILL THOSE CLOWNS GIVE THIS UP?????

 

[happy_tiger]

What happens if they don't get compensation then .
Maybe they could take their bat and ball and go home or hold their breath til they get their own way . Couple of teaspoons of just get on with it might help
Would you like some tissues for your issues ??

 

[Centaur]

I probably sound like a traitor here but the Wests Tigers would be doing exactly the same if the shoe was on the other foot.

I personally feel the Dragons have every right to compensation for what has been a massive shambles. Out of the four parties involved (Tigers, Dragons, Manager and Moltzen) I honestly think the Dragons are worthy of the least blame.

 

[system]

I probably sound like a traitor here but the Wests Tigers would be doing exactly the same if the shoe was on the other foot.

I personally feel the Dragons have every right to compensation for what has been a massive shambles. Out of the four parties involved (Tigers, Dragons, Manager and Moltzen) I honestly think the Dragons are worthy of the least blame.

Sounds like a fair assessment of the situation to me.

I remember pretty much all and sundry spitting chips over a nobody called Jordan Kahu who may turn out to be a good player. This is over a established player and the Dragons feelings are understandable.

The best way they can get compensation is by keeping this story rolling as long as possible as a reminder to all other parties in the NRL that this is what you can expect when dealing with WT as that will cause more damage to the WT brand in the long term

 

[hammertime]

haha, St George have no leg to stand on! I have no idea how they are supposedly going to try to pursue a legal avenue here.

The facts are that a verbal agreement for release cannot outweigh an existing written contract. Especially when it's from a 3rd party!! - maybe Doust should watch just a little bit of Judge Judy before he goes wasting people's time.

The whole notion is ridiculous that they think they have anything to go on here.

 

[WhiTe Tiger]

I could understand them chasing compensation if they stuck to their guns and let Ian Schubert make the decission of where Moltz would play next year. But as we are lead to believe they were the ones that chose not to persue the matter by choosing not to register Moltz's contract.

 

[Joel Helmes]

I probably sound like a traitor here but the Wests Tigers would be doing exactly the same if the shoe was on the other foot.

I personally feel the Dragons have every right to compensation for what has been a massive shambles. Out of the four parties involved (Tigers, Dragons, Manager and Moltzen) I honestly think the Dragons are worthy of the least blame.

I agree Centaur.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I probably sound like a traitor here but the Wests Tigers would be doing exactly the same if the shoe was on the other foot.

I personally feel the Dragons have every right to compensation for what has been a massive shambles. Out of the four parties involved (Tigers, Dragons, Manager and Moltzen) I honestly think the Dragons are worthy of the least blame.

Sounds like a fair assessment of the situation to me.

I remember pretty much all and sundry spitting chips over a nobody called Jordan Kahu who may turn out to be a good player. This is over a established player and the Dragons feelings are understandable.

The best way they can get compensation is by keeping this story rolling as long as possible as a reminder to all other parties in the NRL that this is what you can expect when dealing with WT as that will cause more damage to the WT brand in the long term

I don't think anyone is doubting that the Dragons have a right to be upset, but chasing compensation from the club is ridiculous. As I said already, Tauber has a lot to answer for as the player representative.

The Dragons have plenty of blame in the matter. If they'd bothered to check that Moltzen had a confirmed release from WT the whole issue would have never occurred.

If they are successful with their lawsuit Doust should taking the settlement proceeds and put himself through Contract Law 101.

 

[magpiecol]

I probably sound like a traitor here but the Wests Tigers would be doing exactly the same if the shoe was on the other foot.

I personally feel the Dragons have every right to compensation for what has been a massive shambles. Out of the four parties involved (Tigers, Dragons, Manager and Moltzen) I honestly think the Dragons are worthy of the least blame.

WTF?

Please explain.

 

[underdog]

I could understand them chasing compensation if they stuck to their guns and let Ian Schubert make the decission of where Moltz would play next year. But as we are lead to believe they were the ones that chose not to persue the matter by choosing not to register Moltz's contract.

THIS.

Dragons stated in the media publicly they will not chase this issue AND that the didn't register his contract.

Now after giving up on it, they want to be compensated? Laughable.

I probably sound like a traitor here but the Wests Tigers would be doing exactly the same if the shoe was on the other foot.

I personally feel the Dragons have every right to compensation for what has been a massive shambles. Out of the four parties involved (Tigers, Dragons, Manager and Moltzen) I honestly think the Dragons are worthy of the least blame.

If the Wests Tigers were doing the same thing, i'd be scratching my head about that decision and be saying they shouldn't pursue it…

 

[Rummo]

Are you guys seriously calling them St Merge?

You do understand Wests Tigers is also a merger?

 

[simonthetiger]

I call them merge as most of their fans are in complete denial ofthis fact!!
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[Centaur]

I probably sound like a traitor here but the Wests Tigers would be doing exactly the same if the shoe was on the other foot.

I personally feel the Dragons have every right to compensation for what has been a massive shambles. Out of the four parties involved (Tigers, Dragons, Manager and Moltzen) I honestly think the Dragons are worthy of the least blame.

WTF?

Please explain.

My understanding of the 'facts' (I use the term facts very loosely) is as follows:

- Tim Moltzen is told to look elsewhere for season 2012.
- Tauber negotiates contracts with clubs, under the direction that Moltzen is free to move in 2012\. Moltzen is offered a contract by the Dragons, who are under the understanding that Moltzen is allowed to move in 2012.
- KEY POINT Moltzen and Tauber sign a contract with the Dragons for the 2012 season. The only logical explanation for this occurring is that Moltzen and Tauber were under no illusion in terms of his release for 2012.
- At this point, how have the Dragons done anything wrong? As far as I am concerned all four parties are of the 'understanding' that Moltzen could play at another club in 2012\. The signing of release papers should be a mere formality. The Tigers reportly have their knickers in a knot because the Dragons announced the signing before the Tigers had a chance to announce anything, or sign a release. I personally feel this is just saving face and gamesmanship on the Tigers behalf - if they had a real issue with Molzten leaving there would have been a much bigger blow-up then a single media release from the CEO.
- Tauber and the Tigers should have had a better understanding of what the scenario was before any negotiations and contract signing took place. The Dragons are not privy to what the scenario is, they are simply buying a player who they belief will be off contract.
- Months go by, Dragons have signed Moltzen, they have released key players and are building a side in 2012 around Moltzen.
- Lui incident.
- Moltzen wants to stay a Tiger.
- The rest is history…

Why have the Tigers told Molzten and Tauber to look elsewhere if they were never going to release him? Why did Moltzen sign with the Dragons if he 'never wanted to go to the Dragons'? Why did Tauber negotiate and allow the signing of a contract if Moltzen was never released? If the Tigers were so hard done by, why didn't they attempt to fix the situation at the time?

The Dragons are innocent by-standers, none the wiser - and I will forever maintain that none of this would have ever happened if we didn't all of a sudden find a bit more space in our line up for 2012.

You can give me all the legal mumbo jumbo - doesn't change the fact that the whole situation stunk to high heaven and the Tigers were dragged through the mud a result. Am I saying they are solely to blame? No - but unfortunately they are more to blame than the Dragons.

I have taken the Tigers coloured glasses off for this one - I feel this is an objective viewpoint.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Are you guys seriously calling them St Merge?

You do understand Wests Tigers is also a merger?

I'm very aware that the Wests Tigers are a merger.

I enjoy calling them St. Merge because a large contingent of fans forget that they are a merger and not just St. George anymore. I have even more fun pointing out that they've only won 1 premiership, and the 16 they won at St. George no longer count. :laughing:

 

[happy_tiger]

Are you guys seriously calling them St Merge?

You do understand Wests Tigers is also a merger?

I'm very aware that the Wests Tigers are a merger.

I enjoy calling them St. Merge because a large contingent of fans forget that they are a merger and not just St. George anymore. I have even more fun pointing out that they've only won 1 premiership, and the 16 they won at St. George no longer count. :laughing:

CB it is even more fun to point out that a couple of those premierships were won with a cheating referee in their pocket which is commonly accepted now by most in league circles

 

[black_and_white_tige]

Are you guys seriously calling them St Merge?

You do understand Wests Tigers is also a merger?

I'm very aware that the Wests Tigers are a merger.

I enjoy calling them St. Merge because a large contingent of fans forget that they are a merger and not just St. George anymore. I have even more fun pointing out that they've only won 1 premiership, and the 16 they won at St. George no longer count. :laughing:

Well said CB, I know plenty of Saints fans and that is exactly how they see the takeover, sorry merger.