Stadium redevelopment stuff

[jirskyr]

Doesn't matter if 76 billion is being spent on hospitals. If they need another 1.6 billion to make the system better they should be using the money there.

ANZ and Allianz are hardly falling apart. Wouldn't want to know that the 1.6 billion dollars that could be used in the health system has cost people their lives just because we want to watch footy at a rectangular stadium at Homebush…

The argument that the government will make is the $1.6B is an investment with long-term returns. It is an infrastructural investment.

It's different from education, health and transport - these continuous funding portfolios, with thousands of institutions and hundreds of thousands of govt employees.

If you have class facilities in a major city, you draw large and lucrative events. The QLD government aren't trying to pull the GF for the pride or the love of the game - it makes real money. So does SOO in Victoria, hence why we give them one from time to time.

If your stadia are old and not maintained, they become dilapidated and cease to meet the needs of the public. What was state of the art 20 years ago is quickly surpassed. So the investment now is extending the lives of these stadia, and Sydney is easily a big enough city to warrant several elite-class stadia.

The govt will also argue that they will be focusing on these 3 venues and reducing ongoing investment in the suburban grounds, which will save money.

Olympic Stadium is 17 years old. SFS is 28 years old. You need to maintain venues of this age. Events at these venues can have significant impacts on the state economy, creating jobs and encouraging expenditure, which the govt doesn't really have to create themselves.

For example, in 2010 the NSW govt paid $45M to guarantee the Grand Final remains in Sydney until 2022 (12 years = $3.75M p.a.). It is estimated that the 2015 GF alone generated $17M for the NSW economy. Now multiply that by 30 years of GFs, plus SOO, plus rugby and soccer, club matches, concerts… it adds up rather quickly.

 

[Snake]

Banks have the government by the nuts.
ANZ wanted improvements on the Stadium to improve their return on investment for the Olympic stadium lease or they were going to throw it in leaving the government with a big white elephant.
Can't believe their isn't public outcry about this. By the time the government get their hands back on the site it will be old and torn down.
700m dollars down the drain for the taxpayers.
Banks should be banned from any infrastructure deals. Gives them too much power.

The Government is taking over Anz next month..so it remains to be seen if the payments to clubs to play there will continue as the contracts were with the existing owners…interesting times for the Tigers moving forward.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Doesn't matter if 76 billion is being spent on hospitals. If they need another 1.6 billion to make the system better they should be using the money there.

ANZ and Allianz are hardly falling apart. Wouldn't want to know that the 1.6 billion dollars that could be used in the health system has cost people their lives just because we want to watch footy at a rectangular stadium at Homebush…

The argument that the government will make is the $1.6B is an investment with long-term returns. It is an infrastructural investment.

It's different from education, health and transport - these continuous funding portfolios, with thousands of institutions and hundreds of thousands of govt employees.

If you have class facilities in a major city, you draw large and lucrative events. The QLD government aren't trying to pull the GF for the pride or the love of the game - it makes real money. So does SOO in Victoria, hence why we give them one from time to time.

If your stadia are old and not maintained, they become dilapidated and cease to meet the needs of the public. What was state of the art 20 years ago is quickly surpassed. So the investment now is extending the lives of these stadia, and Sydney is easily a big enough city to warrant several elite-class stadia.

The govt will also argue that they will be focusing on these 3 venues and reducing ongoing investment in the suburban grounds, which will save money.

Olympic Stadium is 17 years old. SFS is 28 years old. You need to maintain venues of this age. Events at these venues can have significant impacts on the state economy, creating jobs and encouraging expenditure, which the govt doesn't really have to create themselves.

For example, in 2010 the NSW govt paid $45M to guarantee the Grand Final remains in Sydney until 2022 (12 years = $3.75M p.a.). It is estimated that the 2015 GF alone generated $17M for the NSW economy. Now multiply that by 30 years of GFs, plus SOO, plus rugby and soccer, club matches, concerts… it adds up rather quickly.

I am aware of that and understand that Jirskyr. I still can't justify compromise of the quality of life (strictly health wise,) in favour of upgrading stadia.

My wife's obstetrician told me some really interesting things about the health system when he was managing her pregnancy. He remarked that the burgeoning health costs are astronomical and the government are funding key areas of research to help pre-empt issues in people prior to it manifesting in order to save money in the long term. He talked about huge amounts of funding were going into prediction of premature births as they will be able to better prepare and manage those children's needs with better cost efficiency.

Anyway, I suppose they have committed so to it so all this discussion about putting the money back into other sectors is moot.

 

[pHyR3]

1.6 Billion for stadiums. Sorry but I can't get excited. 😕 I'd rather see that money be used to improve our hospitals and medical facilities. Wards are getting closed down, not enough beds for patients, cutting down on medical staff etc. Public schools are in desperate need of funding. Alot of our roads and highways are death traps that need upgrading. We need more shelters and housing for the mentally impaired , homeless and underprivileged.
We have to fight tooth and nail ( with usually no success) to get any extra funding for our hospital upgrades from the government. It's money raised from private donations that get the job done. I can go on and on… :frowning:

ANZ has generated about 5 billion for the economy since creation

i think the gvmt views it as an investment. putting in money for stadiums etc. boosts the overall economy through people spending money, job creation from the stadium being built, tourism etc. thats why so many stadiums are funded that way

people didnt have the same outcry for the olympics, they must have pumped billions into that

but i do understand your frustration

 

[Tigermama]

Doesn't matter if 76 billion is being spent on hospitals. If they need another 1.6 billion to make the system better they should be using the money there.

ANZ and Allianz are hardly falling apart. Wouldn't want to know that the 1.6 billion dollars that could be used in the health system has cost people their lives just because we want to watch footy at a rectangular stadium at Homebush…

Bravo CB! Absolutely right.

 

[cqtiger]

I think ANZ will be our home 90% of the time when it is built. The bigger question is where will our Centre of Excellence (COE) be located?

The NSWRL (read NSW Blues) COE is planned for ANZ but who else would use it? Penrith have their own, Canterbury have upgraded Belmore but is it a COE?

I'd punt for Campbelltown being our base for COE.

Thoughts?

 

[hobbo]

I think ANZ will be our home 90% of the time when it is built. The bigger question is where will our Centre of Excellence (COE) be located?

The NSWRL (read NSW Blues) COE is planned for ANZ but who else would use it? Penrith have their own, Canterbury have upgraded Belmore but is it a COE?

I'd punt for Campbelltown being our base for COE.

Thoughts?

Any fitness first gym would be sufficient for our mob :laughing:

 

[cqtiger]

Doesn't matter if 76 billion is being spent on hospitals. If they need another 1.6 billion to make the system better they should be using the money there.

ANZ and Allianz are hardly falling apart. Wouldn't want to know that the 1.6 billion dollars that could be used in the health system has cost people their lives just because we want to watch footy at a rectangular stadium at Homebush…

Bravo CB! Absolutely right.

Guys I applaud your stance for more health funding but picking on a measley $1.6M stadia budget is just an easy target. I don't know how many weird and wonderful projects are out there but there is far more money going to these than ANZ.

You can apply for Festival Travel, Drama Production, Rice Program, Women Leaders in Sport the list goes on but there are lots of weird grants approved each year.

The problem with health funding is that for so long, each year it decreased. Now anybody with half a brain knows that it must increase every year to keep up with population growth.

Not wanting to sour the story but can anybody tell me what the percentage of patients with preventable illnesses in hospitals is?
You know - smoking and alcohol related for example.
Oops now I have kicked the hornets nest

 

[ricksen]

I think ANZ will be our home 90% of the time when it is built. The bigger question is where will our Centre of Excellence (COE) be located?

The NSWRL (read NSW Blues) COE is planned for ANZ but who else would use it? Penrith have their own, Canterbury have upgraded Belmore but is it a COE?

I'd punt for Campbelltown being our base for COE.

Thoughts?

They were looking at Liverpool a few mths back.

 

[gallagher]

I think ANZ will be our home 90% of the time when it is built. The bigger question is where will our Centre of Excellence (COE) be located?

The NSWRL (read NSW Blues) COE is planned for ANZ but who else would use it? Penrith have their own, Canterbury have upgraded Belmore but is it a COE?

I'd punt for Campbelltown being our base for COE.

Thoughts?

They were looking at Liverpool a few mths back.

Apparently both Campbelltown and Liverpool want us. You'd think with either ones backing and a grant from the state govt we'd get one built somewhere.

 

[Tigermama]

1.6 Billion for stadiums. Sorry but I can't get excited. 😕 I'd rather see that money be used to improve our hospitals and medical facilities. Wards are getting closed down, not enough beds for patients, cutting down on medical staff etc. Public schools are in desperate need of funding. Alot of our roads and highways are death traps that need upgrading. We need more shelters and housing for the mentally impaired , homeless and underprivileged.
We have to fight tooth and nail ( with usually no success) to get any extra funding for our hospital upgrades from the government. It's money raised from private donations that get the job done. I can go on and on… :frowning:

Hospitals are getting $76 billion spent on them this year. The government have to provide facilities across all sectors.

If that is the case gallagher ? It's certainly not being funded in the right areas….lets say the front line of the Hospitals .
Probably being spent in areas of Admin and made up roles , of course the CEO has to have an Assistant and the assistants assistant :blah :blah :blah and the Director of Nursing has to have a Nursing Supervisor and a NUM (Nursing Unit Mangager) and that NUM has to have a team Leader.....

Let me tell you that Patients that need to be specialized by one on one care are sometimes being stretched to look after more than one Patient to save cost . Patients with Alzheimer's really need one on one care.

FT, I hear you. Only a small piece of the pie goes where it's needed. The rest is squandered unnecessarily and carelessly.

 

[ricksen]

I think ANZ will be our home 90% of the time when it is built. The bigger question is where will our Centre of Excellence (COE) be located?

The NSWRL (read NSW Blues) COE is planned for ANZ but who else would use it? Penrith have their own, Canterbury have upgraded Belmore but is it a COE?

I'd punt for Campbelltown being our base for COE.

Thoughts?

They were looking at Liverpool a few mths back.

Apparently both Campbelltown and Liverpool want us. You'd think with either ones backing and a grant from the state govt we'd get one built somewhere.

The state govt are already delivering on that promise btw -
http://www.seaeagles.com.au/news/2016/04/15/sea_eagles_secure_fo.af_news.html

‘Fortress Brookie’ will remain the home ground of the Manly Warringah Sea Eagles following news today of NSW Government funding for the Stage 1 Brookvale Oval upgrade plan.
>
The funding gives the Club certainty that it will remain at the spiritual home of the Sea Eagles since 1947\. It means the Club doesn’t have to play any home games at Allianz Stadium or ANZ Stadium as part of the new Sydney Stadia network.
>
Manly Warringah Sea Eagles CEO Joe Kelly described today as a ‘great day’ for the Club in its 70th Anniversary Year.
>
Mr Kelly spoke to the Premier of NSW, and Member for Manly, Mike Baird, last night after the game against Parramatta, and again this morning, as did Club Chairman Scott Penn, with respect to the announcement that was made yesterday regarding Sydney Stadia funding.
>
“We are delighted to announce that Mike Baird has confirmed that our Stage 1 Brookvale Oval Upgrade plan will satisfy the requirements of the Centre of Excellence funding component that formed part of that announcement,’’ Mr Kelly said.
>
“This means that the NSW State Government will match dollar for dollar the $10m already pledged by former PM and our No. 1 ticket holder, Tony Abbott.
>
“Our $20m Brookie Stage 1 upgrade plan includes a 3,000-4,000 seat grandstand with multi use community facilities on the eastern side of the oval.
>
“The reality now is that Brookvale Oval will be receiving an upgrade, and it will remain our fortress. There are no requirements for the Sea Eagles to take any of our existing home games in to the new Stadia network. This has been the consistent message that our Owners and Management have stated right throughout this stadia debate.
>
“These detailed plans which were presented to Mike earlier in the year, have today been forwarded to the NRL and NSW State Government for sign-off.
>
“If the planning process can be expedited, we remain optimistic of having the facility ready for the commencement of the 2018 season.
>
“I must stress, this is our stage 1 development, we have plans to continue to develop Brookie in it’s entirely as and when further funding becomes available. Tony Abbott has already signalled that he is fighting to have the original $10m federal government commitment adjusted for inflation to $15m."
>
Manly Warringah Chairman Scott Penn said this was the start of a ‘new era’ for the Sea Eagles.
>
“We are further encouraged by the State Government’s commitment to match suburban ground infrastructure funding and will endeavour to work with the Council to try and gain a financial commitment to improve the scope of development,’’ Mr Penn said.
>
“The Club very much appreciate the efforts of Tony Abbott and Mike Baird in ensuring the Northern Beaches have an improved facility worthy of an NRL franchise.
>
“Today is a very significant day for our Club and is the culmination of a great deal of hard work by many people and our loyal understanding Members and supporters. We must thank both the Premier and Tony Abbott for their funding commitments to Brookie.”
>
Mr Abbott, who attended the Eels match, said he was really pleased that the State Government has made a $10 million commitment to upgrade Brookvale Oval.
>
“This decision means that Brookvale Oval will remain the home of the Manly Sea Eagles,” Mr Abbott said.
>
“I am going to fight hard to ensure that the original $10 million federal government commitment is adjusted to inflation”
>
“I look forward to working with Premier Mike Baird to deliver the upgrade for the people of the Northern Beaches.”

 

[gallagher]

I think ANZ will be our home 90% of the time when it is built. The bigger question is where will our Centre of Excellence (COE) be located?

The NSWRL (read NSW Blues) COE is planned for ANZ but who else would use it? Penrith have their own, Canterbury have upgraded Belmore but is it a COE?

I'd punt for Campbelltown being our base for COE.

Thoughts?

They were looking at Liverpool a few mths back.

Apparently both Campbelltown and Liverpool want us. You'd think with either ones backing and a grant from the state govt we'd get one built somewhere.

The state govt are already delivering on that promise btw -
http://www.seaeagles.com.au/news/2016/04/15/sea_eagles_secure_fo.af_news.html

‘Fortress Brookie’ will remain the home ground of the Manly Warringah Sea Eagles following news today of NSW Government funding for the Stage 1 Brookvale Oval upgrade plan.
>
The funding gives the Club certainty that it will remain at the spiritual home of the Sea Eagles since 1947\. It means the Club doesn’t have to play any home games at Allianz Stadium or ANZ Stadium as part of the new Sydney Stadia network.
>
Manly Warringah Sea Eagles CEO Joe Kelly described today as a ‘great day’ for the Club in its 70th Anniversary Year.
>
Mr Kelly spoke to the Premier of NSW, and Member for Manly, Mike Baird, last night after the game against Parramatta, and again this morning, as did Club Chairman Scott Penn, with respect to the announcement that was made yesterday regarding Sydney Stadia funding.
>
“We are delighted to announce that Mike Baird has confirmed that our Stage 1 Brookvale Oval Upgrade plan will satisfy the requirements of the Centre of Excellence funding component that formed part of that announcement,’’ Mr Kelly said.
>
“This means that the NSW State Government will match dollar for dollar the $10m already pledged by former PM and our No. 1 ticket holder, Tony Abbott.
>
“Our $20m Brookie Stage 1 upgrade plan includes a 3,000-4,000 seat grandstand with multi use community facilities on the eastern side of the oval.
>
“The reality now is that Brookvale Oval will be receiving an upgrade, and it will remain our fortress. There are no requirements for the Sea Eagles to take any of our existing home games in to the new Stadia network. This has been the consistent message that our Owners and Management have stated right throughout this stadia debate.
>
“These detailed plans which were presented to Mike earlier in the year, have today been forwarded to the NRL and NSW State Government for sign-off.
>
“If the planning process can be expedited, we remain optimistic of having the facility ready for the commencement of the 2018 season.
>
“I must stress, this is our stage 1 development, we have plans to continue to develop Brookie in it’s entirely as and when further funding becomes available. Tony Abbott has already signalled that he is fighting to have the original $10m federal government commitment adjusted for inflation to $15m."
>
Manly Warringah Chairman Scott Penn said this was the start of a ‘new era’ for the Sea Eagles.
>
“We are further encouraged by the State Government’s commitment to match suburban ground infrastructure funding and will endeavour to work with the Council to try and gain a financial commitment to improve the scope of development,’’ Mr Penn said.
>
“The Club very much appreciate the efforts of Tony Abbott and Mike Baird in ensuring the Northern Beaches have an improved facility worthy of an NRL franchise.
>
“Today is a very significant day for our Club and is the culmination of a great deal of hard work by many people and our loyal understanding Members and supporters. We must thank both the Premier and Tony Abbott for their funding commitments to Brookie.”
>
Mr Abbott, who attended the Eels match, said he was really pleased that the State Government has made a $10 million commitment to upgrade Brookvale Oval.
>
“This decision means that Brookvale Oval will remain the home of the Manly Sea Eagles,” Mr Abbott said.
>
“I am going to fight hard to ensure that the original $10 million federal government commitment is adjusted to inflation”
>
“I look forward to working with Premier Mike Baird to deliver the upgrade for the people of the Northern Beaches.”

Did i read that it was $40mill put aside for clubs COE? Well, that's 1/4 of it already gone. Get to it wests.
The day after the announcement, Manly secure $10mill, I wonder if we have even talked to the govt about it yet?

 

[innsaneink]

All seats moved as far forward as possible
Some end seats up to 41m closer
Similar set up to suncorp inner bowl…. End seats 5m closer than suncorp

 

[LCA]

All seats moved as far forward as possible
Some end seats up to 41m closer
Similar set up to suncorp inner bowl…. End seats 5m closer than suncorp

Gee. Really? Is that supposed to excite me?

Where is the evidence that those who don't go to NRL fixtures currently will decide to go because they are seated closer to the action that they currently don't go to anyway?

And, what's wrong with Allianz and ANZ anyway as they currently are?

When average game attendance is staggering around the 12000 mark with the current set up of local grounds and stadia, where is the evidence that a massive investment in one of them will counter the inevitable drop-off in the other?

It's a farcical catch-up move on the Victorian strategy of major stadium venues for AFL while failing to recognise that the states and the games are fundamentally different.

 

[gallagher]

All seats moved as far forward as possible
Some end seats up to 41m closer
Similar set up to suncorp inner bowl…. End seats 5m closer than suncorp

Gee. Really? Is that supposed to excite me?

Where is the evidence that those who don't go to NRL fixtures currently will decide to go because they are seated closer to the action that they currently don't go to anyway?

And, what's wrong with Allianz and ANZ anyway as they currently are?

When average game attendance is staggering around the 12000 mark with the current set up of local grounds and stadia, where is the evidence that a massive investment in one of them will counter the inevitable drop-off in the other?

It's a farcical catch-up move on the Victorian strategy of major stadium venues for AFL while failing to recognise that the states and the games are fundamentally different.

The only clubs that have significantly improved their memberships in sydney over the last 20 yearsare souths and Canterbury.

 

[Tigerdon]

A friend of mine has SCH Membership . I usually go to a day of the Sydney Test match.
Tonight I went to NSW V Qld Red.
Curtis Rona had a great game and the ground got dug up big time with the scums. Ground staff had to keep running on and patching it up.
The pies were $6

 

 

[colmcd]

I believe Easts were able to increase their membership as well.

Nick will hold a party if they reach double digits.

 

[WT2K]

Ground repairs during the game too
https://twitter.com/BuzzRothfield/status/1104323891864920065?s=19

 

[colmcd]

WOW.

ok kick out every politician until this is cancelled! You can have your local fortress or a big stadium. But why should we have to pay for an upgrade to Fortress Brookvale?

In fact isn't this Weird. I get having one good stadium. But now it's Parramatta upgrade. Allianz upgrade, SFS upgrade. NO. One stadium at a time and no more Chaos.