happy_tiger
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Penalty count was still 7 to 3 for NSW .....5 to zip in the 2nd half
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innsaneink
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If the.players are thinking that the coach should be able.to identify it.
I doubt that would be the case but there was a severe lack of attitude out there from the blues.
With the added emotion of Munsters loss Daley shouldve had them up even more than usual instead it appeared to be the opposite.
No adaptabilty from him mid game to counter Qlds rushing up & in D out wide...we just did the same thing over and over
Haven't re-watched but;
Poor kick happened.
Poor passes happened. The one I can clearly recall was Shortly after the penalty goal to Qld when NSW were attacking the line shifted left and Luai threw it behind Mitchell (or in front of Crichton, not sure who he was trying to hit). Too ran back to clean up tried a shit kick and play broke down. I remember thinking that's 2 now at some point but can't now recall the 2nd one. Perhaps it's the pass intended for Lomax you highlighted.
Cotter ran straight through him for the break that led to what could have been a try to Hammer but Qld bombed it. Mitchell contributed heavily by getting up past the ball but still a poor attempted tackle. Luai and Mitchell looked disconnected most the half. Lots of easy metres and quick play the balls targeting the space between the 2.
Other smaller issues with his defence (admittedly a little nit picky but showing he was far from superb) he failed to shut down the play when jamming a couple times. The main example being the offload that led to Robson conceding the holding back penalty. This gave Qld the possession that led to their try.
Agree he was left stranded by the inside men not helping when the ball was flicked out the back when going into touch and at least he tried to contribute. But he was neither shutting off the pass or helping put the bloke out. He also switched off for a second prior to the ball being flicked out.
I haven't constantly bagged Luai since he was signed. I thought he was signed on overs, particularly at the time. As the season progressed last year he stepped up in Cleary's absence. I still thought slight overs but he did show an ability to lead the side that he had not previously shown at the time of signing him. But I also said he was potentially the circuit breaking signing the club needed and you weren't going to get him without paying overs. As such I didn't disagree with the signing even if I don't think he can actually perform to his price tag.
I've bagged the take that he is only hear because of Benji and what a good job Benji did to bring him here. I think this take ignores the contract he is on. Again happy for him to be here, just the blind Benji love that I disagree with.
Finally I actually liked Luai prior to being a Tiger (and still do for the record). I wasn't one who hated the bloke for being grubby or out of touch with fans then changed that stance to he's just passionate once his jersey changed. I don't believe I held any previous bias against him as a person or a player.
It's true I've been largely disappointed with what he has produced on field for the club whilst being very impressed with what he appears to be bringing off field.
I have critiqued what I believe his failings have been thus far but given I also acknowledge his achievements I don't think that is constant bagging. Similarly I can see that he was one of our best in the 2nd half. Doesn't mean he wasn't poor in the first half.
innsaneink
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Yeah i noticed that... only gave it a moments thought last night.
one arm over the chair next to him... leaning back comfortably with leg over knee.
I thought he might be trying to portray a sense of no panic....
It just seemed like very wrong body language
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I would have preferred Api at 14 over Watson. I've been a big believer that Origin is to fast for one hooker to play 80. I also think if you're planning to play your 14 at hooker then pick your best hooking option at 14. The players at this level are capable of filling in elsewhere if needed (outside of the halves positions, where if you lose one early you're probably stuffed anyway and Watson isn't helping you).
I still think Robson was the right choice for the 9. The attack faulted because Cleary went missing and Edwards doesn't offer any threat outside of non performing halves.
I also think Api would have been to easily targeted by their forwards given our forwards didn't aim up.
Like all games are 👍
I differ with you here,
I do think the 14 has to be able to cover more than the dummy half role if needed.
I don’t mind Watson as the 14 as he can cover multiple positions if required much like Ben Hunt when fit for QLD.
What I didn’t like this series is how late in the game Watson was put on.
Fair enough. But my question is, who do you think is a better centre option, Watson or Crichton (Angus)/Young?
Halbrowne61
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Referee had little to do with what happened last night, it was primarily self inflicted by the Blues.
Whether it was injury or attitude they were outplayed, very disappointing but it is what it is !
twentyforty
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Utiokamanu is not fit enough to play origin. Deardon came from 6mts behind him to run past him like he was totally disinterested take a pass from Hammer to score a try which should not have been scored.
Robson defends well but has a glaring weakness . He fails to get to dummy half on numerous occasions , often not until tackle 3. This meant Luai ( often ) and others were taken out of the play to perform this role . It was reall y obvious when Watson came on as he gets there for almost every play . Utoiimoko and Lomax way short of origin level
Young should have been starting. He's been the form backrower in the NRL this season .
The issue with NSW which I and many others called with Laurie Daley's appointment is that he picks teams based on some fkn weird concept in his head of what an origin team should look like, not based on form... Losing 5/6 series tells us all we know.
Terrell, Keon, Teddy should have all been there without question... If they were eligible for QLD they all would have played.
I was at the game and noticed something you can't pick up on TV
When we were playing the ball which was slow compared to typical NRL games .Seemed a lot more tolerance was given by Klein.
The common Qld tackle method was with 2 or more tacklers bring the opponent down and then with the help of a third try to get the blues player on his back ,slowing down the play the ball .
If Wests Tigers did this it would have involved double digit penalty count against us .
Also when we did play the ball the line of the other 11 defenders seemed to have 3 or 4 on one of the extremities jump the gun and advance 3 or 4 meters just before the play the ball .
Again Klein ignored this !
Probably at half time where officials monitoring Kleins performance had pointed out his generous treatment of Qld to the Maroons ruck slowing and offside .He then took a stricter approach and hence a few penalties flowed our way .
All that said imo some blues just didn't perform well .Lomax was poor and Cleary looked hampered by some sort injury .Max King and Angus Chrighton were poor and no way is Reece Robson the best blues hooker option
Qld seemed to know the whistle would be in pocket at least in the first half and played accordingly
Klein is a ref who often has a bearing on the result and I hope he gets dumped for future big games
When we were playing the ball which was slow compared to typical NRL games .Seemed a lot more tolerance was given by Klein.
The common Qld tackle method was with 2 or more tacklers bring the opponent down and then with the help of a third try to get the blues player on his back ,slowing down the play the ball .
If Wests Tigers did this it would have involved double digit penalty count against us .
Also when we did play the ball the line of the other 11 defenders seemed to have 3 or 4 on one of the extremities jump the gun and advance 3 or 4 meters just before the play the ball .
Again Klein ignored this !
Probably at half time where officials monitoring Kleins performance had pointed out his generous treatment of Qld to the Maroons ruck slowing and offside .He then took a stricter approach and hence a few penalties flowed our way .
All that said imo some blues just didn't perform well .Lomax was poor and Cleary looked hampered by some sort injury .Max King and Angus Chrighton were poor and no way is Reece Robson the best blues hooker option
Qld seemed to know the whistle would be in pocket at least in the first half and played accordingly
Klein is a ref who often has a bearing on the result and I hope he gets dumped for future big games
Snidest 0
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Could not agree more!
I wouldn't be surprised if Luai racked up the most dummy-half touches for NSW with Robson consistently out of position early in sets and when the ball went wide.
Mate that’s a regular thing for any hooker plays 1 to 3 on a kick return are generally back plays serviced by the halves or fullback.
I thought in the second half especially there were alot of shifts out wide to Latrell and at deep angles, it seemed to be countered either way, probably only an early kick behind the line instead was the only option there. Luai played flat, Angus is smashed, Luai played deep to Latrell Queensland ran him down. I think the defensive strategy was just second to none. In saying that though, our halves were criticised but you can’t tell me we had much momentum for our backline plays, prehaps we needed to adjust by just playing off the back of our forwards but with really only Payne being the capable forward of breaking / offloaded at the line there wasn’t much doing there and Spencer got into the game too late. Hopefully the rest of the rugby league public can see what Tigers fans have been winging about the Ute in that match. He needs far more reps in regular football before putting on that jersey again.
upthetigers
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Only QLDer I like
I swear I didn’t watch this before making the above comment.
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tig_prmz
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Josh Kerr as a player saying the same thing I've said about Klein. He tries to keep games even regardless of who's dominant.
QLD were better than NSW in every department but all calls went NSW way. Did he also ref Game 2 last year to make sure NSW wins? Same thing as Game 2 this year.
Surely they can't make it this blatant?
QLD were better than NSW in every department but all calls went NSW way. Did he also ref Game 2 last year to make sure NSW wins? Same thing as Game 2 this year.
Surely they can't make it this blatant?
To me the issue was the halves each being locked to one side of the ruck or another . And I felt Edward’s offered very little width. Chricton got smashed repeatedly on the left edge and was dented .
Also QLD have and always will be , the better to adapt to the lack of 10m in origin . They rarely get too far offside that it’s egregious , but enough to absolutely dominate the game .
it felt like there was little strike in the team , especially through the edge forwards. It looks like the maroons had realised if they shift early onto lattrell and Stephen Chricton that there wasn’t enough punch to get through the edge forward corridor . Just really smart . They said Angus Chricton you beat us … and he couldn’t .
the middles were knackered as well , so luai and Cleary couldn’t really take any half chances by turning it back inside , as there was no one to run onto the ball . The maroons stretched the friendship with the offsides , and Klein put his whistle away , only refereeing on ruck infringements . He’s a shithouse ref , but that’s also the stock standard for origin . NSW just didn’t adapt
Also QLD have and always will be , the better to adapt to the lack of 10m in origin . They rarely get too far offside that it’s egregious , but enough to absolutely dominate the game .
it felt like there was little strike in the team , especially through the edge forwards. It looks like the maroons had realised if they shift early onto lattrell and Stephen Chricton that there wasn’t enough punch to get through the edge forward corridor . Just really smart . They said Angus Chricton you beat us … and he couldn’t .
the middles were knackered as well , so luai and Cleary couldn’t really take any half chances by turning it back inside , as there was no one to run onto the ball . The maroons stretched the friendship with the offsides , and Klein put his whistle away , only refereeing on ruck infringements . He’s a shithouse ref , but that’s also the stock standard for origin . NSW just didn’t adapt
