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LeichhardtTiger
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The Boss of ASADA, Aurora Andruska, admitted on Sky News last week that she lied when telling media that there were 150 suspect cases. She Lied. Simple folks. Top Public Servant Lied. Why did she lie? She explained that she was under Media Pressure to provide a number, so she just said 150! She is a liar. Simple. Not a Witch …just a Liar. Meanwhile, thousands of decent people in our sporting industry are suspect all because a public servant felt pressure from the media that she had to lie. Or was the real pressure from a struggling LABOR Government that needed a Wag The Dog distraction at play? The ACCC & ASADA announcement was brought forward ... hmmm ... which is why people, good people are asking the questions and why the head of ASADA a body that should be above corruption are now being asked the big questions - WHAT IS THE REAL STORY?
Bugger me… Okay if you want some facts read below. If you want to keep thinking this is some federal govt plot then go ahead and don't bother.
1\. It is the ACC not the ACCC...
2\. The ACC is not being too vague, they are releasing an overview based on the limited information they have and what they want to release at this point. They want to provide an overview of the seriousness of the issue without tipping off individuals. In law enforcement you don't typically refer to specific incidents before you acquire evidence you can use to prosecute
3\. The ACC has NEVER released info nor not released info based on federal government pressure or requests. The ACC does not investigate targets under direction from federal ministers or the government as a whole.
4\. ASADA did not conduct the investigation, the ACC conducted at the request of ASASA. This request happened a long time ago.
5\. The timing of the report was decided by the ACC not the government.
6\. The point of the operation to this point was to decide whether there was a serious enough problem to warrant further investigation. The purpose of the evidence acquisition to this point (I understand it has mainly been examinations) has been to gather general information not try to put together a brief of evidence. Briefs take a long time to put together and getting the go ahead of the DPP to charge someone requires a very high bar to be met.
7\. Let me say this again - the investigation was NOT instigated by the federal government, the timing of the operation was NOT determined by the federal government.
8\. The ACC carriers out a lot of these type of investigations with similar methods. This one gets a stack of press because it is about popular sports.
9\. It is not the fault of the ACC that the media and others are obsessed with speculation about people who are guilty.
10\. The purpose of the initial report was to highlight the extent of the problem not to highlight instances. The ACC is not in the business of making claims unless it has pretty solid evidence for doing so.
1\. It is the ACC not the ACCC...
2\. The ACC is not being too vague, they are releasing an overview based on the limited information they have and what they want to release at this point. They want to provide an overview of the seriousness of the issue without tipping off individuals. In law enforcement you don't typically refer to specific incidents before you acquire evidence you can use to prosecute
3\. The ACC has NEVER released info nor not released info based on federal government pressure or requests. The ACC does not investigate targets under direction from federal ministers or the government as a whole.
4\. ASADA did not conduct the investigation, the ACC conducted at the request of ASASA. This request happened a long time ago.
5\. The timing of the report was decided by the ACC not the government.
6\. The point of the operation to this point was to decide whether there was a serious enough problem to warrant further investigation. The purpose of the evidence acquisition to this point (I understand it has mainly been examinations) has been to gather general information not try to put together a brief of evidence. Briefs take a long time to put together and getting the go ahead of the DPP to charge someone requires a very high bar to be met.
7\. Let me say this again - the investigation was NOT instigated by the federal government, the timing of the operation was NOT determined by the federal government.
8\. The ACC carriers out a lot of these type of investigations with similar methods. This one gets a stack of press because it is about popular sports.
9\. It is not the fault of the ACC that the media and others are obsessed with speculation about people who are guilty.
10\. The purpose of the initial report was to highlight the extent of the problem not to highlight instances. The ACC is not in the business of making claims unless it has pretty solid evidence for doing so.
MacDougall
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Haha jesus christ. If anybody really thinks this whole thing is a stunt cooked up by the government may I just say that you are a dead set MORON. Political leanings aside, how in the blue HELL does this help the government at all? Distraction? From what exactly? Craig Thompson?? Anybody who gives a crap about that dude has already made their mind up. Swing voters make their mind up in the days leading up to the election based on promises. If it was a government distraction it would be deployed when it mattered. Not that any government would ever do something so utterly absurd.
And yes I thought twice before posting this lol.
And yes I thought twice before posting this lol.
Tiger_Watto
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hey dude… I've just cracked my last can of XXXX and will need to run to the BottleO.
Will it be soon???
Will it be soon???
@Tiger Watto said:
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Methinks that Scoop has got this one wrong.
@bp tiger said:
That still doesn't support your claim that the entire investigation and announcement was a government plot. You clearly dislike the current government but let's stick to the facts. I don't care who you suggest "called" the press conference - the fact that Clare and Lawler were there make me think this is unlikely but let's say this is true - it doesn't alter the circumstances of the operation, the report release, or the apolitical nature of the Commission.
i have no doubt that there is people doing the wrong thing, and we will catch them. all iam saying this is another labour beat up which could have better handled. why paint every sports person in the country with the same brush unless u have proof. its a labour party beat up to take the pressure of gillard and in the end it will become clear thats all it was , unless they convict heaps of sports stars.
@bp tiger said:
It's not the ALP who are doing that. The government are not responsible for the investigation, the wording of the report, nor the timing. Nor are they responsible for any future decisions to convict "heaps" of sports stars. Your scorn is misplaced - blame the media for overhyping the issue if you want a scapegoat.
Just to clarify again:
The ALP didn't direct the ACC to conduct the inquiry
The ALP didn't influence the content of the report
The ALP didn't influence the conduct of the operation
The ALP do not influence future operational activities
I really don't know what you expect - a report that names individuals or specific incidences? No ACC report does this at that level. NONE. ZERO. NADA. ZILCH. Read some of the other reports on investigations at this stage. It is supposed to be high level.
So once again here's what happened:
ASADA asked the ACC to investigate the influence of organised crime on Australian sport.
The ACC did so through its usual investigative chanels
The ACC released a report on its preliminary findings
There is no direct ALP involvement in any of this. I know you're desperately looking to find something that isn't there but you're barking up the wrong tree.
MacDougall
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I just can't understand what he thinks they have to gain from doing this. Hell the 9/11 conspiracies make more sense because at least there is a bizarre motivation (to be evil jerks), what does this achieve? Pissing off…everyone?
ragedmachine
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I've been hearing Gallen mentioned in a few forums about this…god i hope he has nothing to do with it for NSW sake.
Fade_To_Black
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It is a shame to see this thread has turned into a political debate
@Fade To Black said:
You're right FtB, try to keep it on topic guy. There is a dedicated political thread and a thread about the asada acc announcement thatd would be more appropriate for this kind of discussion. However with no further info from the OP I daresay this thread will die a natural death.
GNR4LIFE
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@ragedmachine said:
Ssshhh you'll ruin the entire thread by saying his name out loud. Didn't you know we're meant to remain in suspense
foreveratiger
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@stryker said:
i'm with you mate , i sincerely hope as well it's all bullsh@t ,would be a real disappointment before the season to be kicked of….
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