Stefano Utoikamanu #241

Snidest 0 said:
It did so LESS THAN 12 MONTHS AGO FFS!!!
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Yes you're right. He didn't want to wait around and find out. He obviously doesn't have faith we can turn it around. He has solid deals on the table to play under Gould/Ciraldo and Bellamy. At 23 years old, I'm probably making that call too.
 
weststigers said:
I don't think that's what was being said...

In any case, would you have preferred he stayed on $800k for 5 years or are you happy we have that money to put towards someone else?
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I would have much preferred that Pascoe was rightly sacked in 2016 after the Farah salary cap debacle - and that we had competent management since who never got us in this position in the first place to be honest!

But I had to wait until 2023...
 
Snidest 0 said:
Doesn't make me wish him success or want to justify his lack of loyalty!!
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But if he was loyal, we'd be paying $800k per year over 5 years for the privilege.

I don't think he's done anything wrong by the club. He played out the terms of his contract and that's all you can ask.

His performance has not been up to scratch, so I'm glad we have that money to invest elsewhere.
 
Snidest 0 said:
I would have much preferred that Pascoe was rightly sacked in 2016 after the Farah salary cap debacle - and that we had competent management since who never got us in this position in the first place to be honest!

But I had to wait until 2023...
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Definitely held onto the Pascoe dream a bit too long.
 
weststigers said:
He really wasn't having a dig...you could see that.

In any case, I think it's a mutually beneficial parting of ways. He gave us 4 years and has 3 spoons to show for it. You really can't blame him for leaving. For us, we threw out overs to keep him locked down, but it would have been a mistake considering his incocnsitent output. It's worked out well for everyone. He's done us a huge favour.
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He did have a go for over 3 years for us and this contract situation got the better of him. It's definitely hard to perform when there are off field distractios.

I understand the frustration from everyone here but the reaction has been OTT and then on top of that the Richo comment.
 
Speed2burn said:
I reckon Dogs will be a force for years to come … their defense is suffocating teams. They won’t lose that over night

Chrichton, Kikau, Burton, Mahoney are in the elite category for their positions mixed in with some young up and comers

I’m jealous
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Yeah Ciraldo has done a great job... I think there worst loss was 18 points against the roosters... Theyve been in every game
To think just about every one here got it wrong with Ciraldo when we missed him... It doesn't surprise me.
It's clear we are now a stepping stone for our best juniors, until we get coaches that can continue to progress the youngsters and be somewhat competitive... Win at least 50% of our games players will bail and our good kids stay because they'll get to first grade earlier than anywhere else and then use that exposure to seek a better future
 
tig_prmz said:
He did have a go for over 3 years for us and this contract situation got the better of him. It's definitely hard to perform when there are off field distractios.

I understand the frustration from everyone here but the reaction has been OTT and then on top of that the Richo comment.
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I think the Richo comment has been blown way out of proportion. He was merely saying we need guys who are going to stick around through some adversity. I don't think it was aimed specifically at Stefano. But Richo is right...we DO need guys who will be up for some tough times. If you're not able to deal with that, then it's better you leave/don't come in the first place. I don't see what's wrong with that comment.

This year, his performances have been inconsistent at best. The last few weeks he has literally been missing tackles for sport. Most people are simply saying the contract value offered to him was too high and he can go. At 500-600k a season, I'd keep him, but 800k is way too much for his output when Fonua-Blake and Haas are considered $1 million props...Stef doesn't get close to those guys.

My point has always been about the money vs performance. He doesn't band-aid over enough holes in our team to justify 800k. I just hope we don't go and blow our load on Saifiti.
 
Speed2burn said:
I reckon Dogs will be a force for years to come … their defense is suffocating teams. They won’t lose that over night

Chrichton, Kikau, Burton, Mahoney are in the elite category for their positions mixed in with some young up and comers

I’m jealous
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Mahoney is far from Elite
 
It will be interesting to see if he is dropped for this week's game.
It won't be a good look with the crowd booing our own player.
Which I'm sure will happen.
I don't care about him but I'm sure we'll hear about it on the news.
 
innsaneink said:
Yeah Ciraldo has done a great job... I think there worst loss was 18 points against the roosters... Theyve been in every game
To think just about every one here got it wrong with Ciraldo when we missed him... It doesn't surprise me.
It's clear we are now a stepping stone for our best juniors, until we get coaches that can continue to progress the youngsters and be somewhat competitive... Win at least 50% of our games players will bail and our good kids stay because they'll get to first grade earlier than anywhere else and then use that exposure to seek a better future
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Not me
I said Tigers should go hard for him
He didn't want to.
Saw the writing on the wall.
Good coaches look ahead
 
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