Sterlo's Praise of Heighington

[Tbone]

Central Coast local hence the bias from Sterling. Have you ever heard Sterling say anything bad about Moltzen?

Haha! I think you've nailed it Gary! However, I'm also from the Central Coast and I say heaps of bad things about Moltz :laughing:

Heighington's mother used to live 2 houses away from where I live now!! Sterlo lives at Matcham?

Getting off topic a bit, but growing up in Canberra I used to throw the footy around with Gary Belcher in the 80's on the street with other kids. He was (and presumably still is) a really top bloke. A real family man and almost ned-flanders like to his neighbours he was so good.

 

[happy_tiger]

Most forwards playing off Keefy's , Woodsy's and the Pocket Rockets go forward are going to look good

Getting off topic easily the nicest bloke I met (grew up with him at school ) Willie Carne Typical country boy

My Uncle who had dealings with many footballers with his job as airport manager in Brisbane and Sydney (Ansett) reckons the nicest bloke was the late ,great Peter Jackson

He swore that Jacko always remembered his name and if he saw him always said G'day and had time for a chat

 

[redemption]

At some point fulton overtook Heighno, but I'm not quite sure when it happened. I used to rate Chris much higher going back pre 2010, but fulton's his work in defence and off the ball is really valuable as well as his line speed.

I admit Chris was better this week than he was pre-injury. I also noticed and liked his numerous offloads.

I cannot disagree with anything you've said there Tbone!

Heighno is not what he used to be and Fults is a far better starting option when Gaz returns - but I'm sick of and completely mystified by the man-love for Bell!

I've also been happy with Bell's role-playing - but he has only been effective in our team as a defender. He has offered zero in attack (i.e. hit-up metres - averaging 25-30m per game) despite being a prop by trade!

Bryce's yardage used to get routinely questioned by this forum in past years as he did not average 100m per game at that stage - but his defence was always urgent & effective.

Now a new face turns up in Bell (a veteran at 30) - and does much less quantity or quality than either Bryce (circa 2005-2008 - when he was early 20s) or Heighno (who continues to churn out 100m + 25 tackles a game on average) - & he's suddenly the flavour of the month!!

And for the geniuses who in this topic claimed that the attack dies with Heighno - CAN YOU READ STATS????

He has added an offload to his old hit-and-spin - and made 4 just in this last game (more than anybody else)!!! (Also check his 2011 offload stats before you write crap!)

This forum has become like a kindergarten full of spoilt children (both literally & figuratively) in sore need of a decent education and some fricking discipline!

 

[hellman]

Redmption - you make a lot of good points. If you look at the stats from the other night Heighno had a really good game. If you watched the game he had a really good game. The ball doesn't die with him - that is a pretty stupid comment.

To add to that he has been a great player for us and he deserves some respect.

Personally I would prefer Fulton in the run on team but Heighno offers us better metres then Fulton does. To add to this argument metres aren't exactly Blair's strong point either.

 

[Flippedy]

You do make a lot of good points, Redemption, but do you have to be so condescending to everyone else when doing so?

 

[mtd]

heiighington brings consistency. the praise is warranted. whether he starts or is on the bench im not sure, but i guess you want impact in attack from the bench, where as he is more of a worker. i dont know i'd play it given our team dynamics.

when bell has been given the minutes he has been the stand out backrower of 2012\. the stats speak for themselves..

vs parramatta round 8….
69 minutes
48 tackles
13 runs
81 metres

vs gold coast rnd 9...
58 minutes
38 tackles
7 runs
48 metres

and then against melbourne, he only played 24 minutes...
23 tackles
2 runs

i dont know how anyone can question his workrate. dallas johnson was vital to melbournes premierships at lock and he was purely a defender. bell offers more in attack then he ever did.

as for gibbs, he plays for cronulla. get over it. we already have 2 nsw quality props in woods and galloway, gibbs had to go.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

At some point fulton overtook Heighno, but I'm not quite sure when it happened. I used to rate Chris much higher going back pre 2010, but fulton's his work in defence and off the ball is really valuable as well as his line speed.

I admit Chris was better this week than he was pre-injury. I also noticed and liked his numerous offloads.

I cannot disagree with anything you've said there Tbone!

Heighno is not what he used to be and Fults is a far better starting option when Gaz returns - but I'm sick of and completely mystified by the man-love for Bell!

I've also been happy with Bell's role-playing - but he has only been effective in our team as a defender. He has offered zero in attack (i.e. hit-up metres - averaging 25-30m per game) despite being a prop by trade!

Bryce's yardage used to get routinely questioned by this forum in past years as he did not average 100m per game at that stage - but his defence was always urgent & effective.

Now a new face turns up in Bell (a veteran at 30) - and does much less quantity or quality than either Bryce (circa 2005-2008 - when he was early 20s) or Heighno (who continues to churn out 100m + 25 tackles a game on average) - & he's suddenly the flavour of the month!!

And for the geniuses who in this topic claimed that the attack dies with Heighno - CAN YOU READ STATS????

He has added an offload to his old hit-and-spin - and made 4 just in this last game (more than anybody else)!!! (Also check his 2011 offload stats before you write crap!)

This forum has become like a kindergarten full of spoilt children (both literally & figuratively) in sore need of a decent education and some fricking discipline!

Someone is angry today. Did you forget to take your pills?

Heigho had a good game last weekend but he has very minimal impact in attack and is a liability when defending on our own line. As proven many times this year if you watch his game closely.

As for your last comment just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion doesn't mean they need education or discipline.

P.S Your posts would be much easier to read without 1000 exclamation marks.

 

[happy_tiger]

There was a few games last year where Rhino ran on to the ball at speed , using footwork at the line and attempted to put a dint in the line and he actually looked effective

If memory serves it was about the time of the Penrith talks

I would much prefer to Rhino mix it up from time to time , he would much more effective if he did than turning his back at the line and try and back into the defence

 

[simonthetiger]

Rhino comes under a ridiculous amount of stick on this forum…. From the usual suspects.

Had a whale of a game against Melb.

And made a few try savers on our line by putting his body on the line.

Glad he is back.
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[system]

I really love the work Bell has done since coming here, I want him used for more minutes interchanging with Heighno.

However what showed Friday night was how superior Chris is to Matt at this stage and how that helps us out.

I still want Heighno rested during a game as I believe it gives a better overall rotation but am happy he is back and improving little by little each week

 

[jirskyr]

I really love the work Bell has done since coming here, I want him used for more minutes interchanging with Heighno.

However what showed Friday night was how superior Chris is to Matt at this stage and how that helps us out.

I still want Heighno rested during a game as I believe it gives a better overall rotation but am happy he is back and improving little by little each week

I too think Bell is doing a good job, way better than what I expected and what I'd seen of him at Penrith.

He might not have massive metres to his name, but he plays less minutes, like BMM. Let's compare metres per hitup instead (http://www.nrl.com/telstrapremiership/playerprofiles/weststigersplayerlist/tabid/10833/clubid/15/default.aspx):

Bell 84 HU, 647 ARM = 7.70 m/hu
BMM 78 HU, 677 ARM = 8.67 m/hu
Blair 132 HU, 945 ARM = 7.16 m/hu
Fulton 131 HU, 911 ARM = 6.95 m/hu
Heighno 110 HU, 727 ARM = 6.61 m/hu
KG 143 HU, 1232 ARM = 8.62 m/hu
Woodsman 208 HU, 1798 ARM = 8.64 m/hu

So Heighno is clearly the lowest metre gainer of the current forwards rotation. BMM is suprisingly the most effective, though he makes fewer hitups than the starting props, and all leaders quite close in meterage.

Bell is fairly effective in his hitups. His minutes aren't available on the stats site, so can’t adjust workload for time on field, except to say he's made 364 in 12 games (30.33 t/g) vs Heighno 220 in 9 games (24.44 t/g).

I think Heighno is a loyal clubsman who has worked very hard over the years to play himself into form. He’s done it before and can surely do it again. But he’s not doing it right now. I personally feel on current form there is another player superior to him in every facet, whether it be metres gained, workload or speed of play the ball. But again, he has the capacity to raise his game to another level.

 

[cktiger]

At some point fulton overtook Heighno, but I'm not quite sure when it happened. I used to rate Chris much higher going back pre 2010, but fulton's his work in defence and off the ball is really valuable as well as his line speed.

I admit Chris was better this week than he was pre-injury. I also noticed and liked his numerous offloads.

I cannot disagree with anything you've said there Tbone!

Heighno is not what he used to be and Fults is a far better starting option when Gaz returns - but I'm sick of and completely mystified by the man-love for Bell!

I've also been happy with Bell's role-playing - but he has only been effective in our team as a defender. He has offered zero in attack (i.e. hit-up metres - averaging 25-30m per game) despite being a prop by trade!

Bryce's yardage used to get routinely questioned by this forum in past years as he did not average 100m per game at that stage - but his defence was always urgent & effective.

Now a new face turns up in Bell (a veteran at 30) - and does much less quantity or quality than either Bryce (circa 2005-2008 - when he was early 20s) or Heighno (who continues to churn out 100m + 25 tackles a game on average) - & he's suddenly the flavour of the month!!

And for the geniuses who in this topic claimed that the attack dies with Heighno - CAN YOU READ STATS????

He has added an offload to his old hit-and-spin - and made 4 just in this last game (more than anybody else)!!! (Also check his 2011 offload stats before you write crap!)

This forum has become like a kindergarten full of spoilt children (both literally & figuratively) in sore need of a decent education and some fricking discipline!

Good to see you stick up for Heigno but they count any passing of the ball after being caught in a tackle as an offload - even if it's a terrible pass.
To his credit he did throw a couple of good ones - and had a pretty reasonable game overall.
The problem is the passes he DIDN'T throw when he should have and our attack stopped DEAD.
This year he just doesn't seem to have any effect in attack - and my biggest bugbear is that he STILL turns his back in defence while running back onside (why?).
No-one can condone that.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

I really love the work Bell has done since coming here, I want him used for more minutes interchanging with Heighno.

However what showed Friday night was how superior Chris is to Matt at this stage and how that helps us out.

I still want Heighno rested during a game as I believe it gives a better overall rotation but am happy he is back and improving little by little each week

I too think Bell is doing a good job, way better than what I expected and what I'd seen of him at Penrith.

He might not have massive metres to his name, but he plays less minutes, like BMM. Let's compare metres per hitup instead (http://www.nrl.com/telstrapremiership/playerprofiles/weststigersplayerlist/tabid/10833/clubid/15/default.aspx):

Bell 84 HU, 647 ARM = 7.70 m/hu
BMM 78 HU, 677 ARM = 8.67 m/hu
Blair 132 HU, 945 ARM = 7.16 m/hu
Fulton 131 HU, 911 ARM = 6.95 m/hu
Heighno 110 HU, 727 ARM = 6.61 m/hu
KG 143 HU, 1232 ARM = 8.62 m/hu
Woodsman 208 HU, 1798 ARM = 8.64 m/hu

So Heighno is clearly the lowest metre gainer of the current forwards rotation. BMM is suprisingly the most effective, though he makes fewer hitups than the starting props, and all leaders quite close in meterage.

Bell is fairly effective in his hitups. His minutes aren't available on the stats site, so can’t adjust workload for time on field, except to say he's made 364 in 12 games (30.33 t/g) vs Heighno 220 in 9 games (24.44 t/g).

I think Heighno is a loyal clubsman who has worked very hard over the years to play himself into form. He’s done it before and can surely do it again. But he’s not doing it right now. I personally feel on current form there is another player superior to him in every facet, whether it be metres gained, workload or speed of play the ball. But again, he has the capacity to raise his game to another level.

Great post and good analysis. It's too easy to sit there and throw out the metres stats, metres per hit up is a much better indicator of IMPACT.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

I too think Bell is doing a good job, way better than what I expected and what I'd seen of him at Penrith.

He might not have massive metres to his name, but he plays less minutes, like BMM. Let's compare metres per hitup instead (http://www.nrl.com/telstrapremiership/playerprofiles/weststigersplayerlist/tabid/10833/clubid/15/default.aspx):

Bell 84 HU, 647 ARM = 7.70 m/hu
BMM 78 HU, 677 ARM = 8.67 m/hu
Blair 132 HU, 945 ARM = 7.16 m/hu
Fulton 131 HU, 911 ARM = 6.95 m/hu
Heighno 110 HU, 727 ARM = 6.61 m/hu
KG 143 HU, 1232 ARM = 8.62 m/hu
Woodsman 208 HU, 1798 ARM = 8.64 m/hu

So Heighno is clearly the lowest metre gainer of the current forwards rotation. BMM is suprisingly the most effective, though he makes fewer hitups than the starting props, and all leaders quite close in meterage.

Bell is fairly effective in his hitups. His minutes aren't available on the stats site, so can’t adjust workload for time on field, except to say he's made 364 in 12 games (30.33 t/g) vs Heighno 220 in 9 games (24.44 t/g).

I think Heighno is a loyal clubsman who has worked very hard over the years to play himself into form. He’s done it before and can surely do it again. But he’s not doing it right now. I personally feel on current form there is another player superior to him in every facet, whether it be metres gained, workload or speed of play the ball. But again, he has the capacity to raise his game to another level.

Well done, thanks

 

[senexx]

Based on Friday night's game against Melbourne, he seems to have bulked up a bit (and maybe slowed down?)