Still a boys club

[Clawdan]

I could'nt stand jt as a coach but too see him sacked after 3 games blowes my mind its ridiculous. To replace him with payten would be disastrous the players no matter how good should have no say in the coach at all! I pray the club has learned somthing from its past but i know it hasnt.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

They will need to be careful what they wish for. The new coach may move them on.

Tedesco is obviously part of the furniture but Broses may well find themselves looking elsewhere.

 

[cqtiger]

Lookout Teddy Brooksie,woods and Moses, you will be promoted to the level of Pariahs to replace Robbie, you will be blamed for every single problem in the club and be described as a cancer that needs to be cut out,
All the vitriol that can be directed atyou guys will be. And you will be the so called Boys Club forever on.
The fact that Taylor isn't a coach will be lost, and all blame will go to you. All because you were sensible enough to want to know if you had to put up with a pathetic coach.
The fact that you as players would be the ones to have the most knowledge of whether Taylor is any good as a Coach. Doesn't matter.The forum definetly knows best.
Congratulations for valuing your careers enough to want to know if the person who was going to be making selections and decisions on yourcareer and your progress each season, actually knew how to coach

Such an immature post.

 

[Sco77y]

They will need to be careful what they wish for. The new coach may move them on.

Tedesco is obviously part of the furniture but Broses may well find themselves looking elsewhere.

Yep, no excuses now. If it's still downhill from here then the blame should lie foremost on the players. Their performances so far this year have been diabolical. We need a new captain too, ET the obvious choice.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Lookout Teddy Brooksie,woods and Moses, you will be promoted to the level of Pariahs to replace Robbie, you will be blamed for every single problem in the club and be described as a cancer that needs to be cut out,
All the vitriol that can be directed atyou guys will be. And you will be the so called Boys Club forever on.
The fact that Taylor isn't a coach will be lost, and all blame will go to you. All because you were sensible enough to want to know if you had to put up with a pathetic coach.
The fact that you as players would be the ones to have the most knowledge of whether Taylor is any good as a Coach. Doesn't matter.The forum definetly knows best.
Congratulations for valuing your careers enough to want to know if the person who was going to be making selections and decisions on yourcareer and your progress each season, actually knew how to coach

Such an immature post.

You think so?????
What I've said there HAS already started, in numerous posts. The Taylor supporters are already searching for someone to blame.
I'd be happy for you to tell me what part is immature.
Actually I'd love to be immature again, around 20 would be great :laughing:

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Goldcoast Tiger and pawsandclaws, you 2 are deluded. Dislike JT all you like, none of us have to like our clubs coach whatsoever but if you blokes are happy with our players deciding who they will allow to coach us without being undermined by our playing group then just bloody wow. Craziness.

Sorry Fade to Black on was on my second bottle of chardonnay 10 minutes after the news broke. :smiley:

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Lookout Teddy Brooksie,woods and Moses, you will be promoted to the level of Pariahs to replace Robbie, you will be blamed for every single problem in the club and be described as a cancer that needs to be cut out,
All the vitriol that can be directed atyou guys will be. And you will be the so called Boys Club forever on.
The fact that Taylor isn't a coach will be lost, and all blame will go to you. All because you were sensible enough to want to know if you had to put up with a pathetic coach.
The fact that you as players would be the ones to have the most knowledge of whether Taylor is any good as a Coach. Doesn't matter.The forum definetly knows best.
Congratulations for valuing your careers enough to want to know if the person who was going to be making selections and decisions on yourcareer and your progress each season, actually knew how to coach

Such an immature post.

You think so?????
What I've said there HAS already started, in numerous posts. The Taylor supporters are already searching for someone to blame.
I'd be happy for you to tell me what part is immature.
Actually I'd love to be immature again, around 20 would be great :laughing:

To be fair GCT, the buck does stop with them now. I have no qualms accepting that JT wasn't the right coach for us, he had three off seasons and two seasons to make us competitive, and he was a failure.

If another coach comes in and they don't perform, whose fault is it then though? Sirro didn't perform under three coaches here, and now looks ordinary under Barrett, we don't mind suggesting the problem laid with him? When do these guys come under scrutiny?

 

[Telltails]

Teddy and Woods have nothing to prove and I dont care if they play like world beaters every week they will never find success with this squad - but they will be blamed.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Teddy and Woods have nothing to prove and I dont care if they play like world beaters every week they will never find success with this squad - but they will be blamed.

I'm obviously not talking about Woods and Teddy, both perform well above the others.

Brooks and Moses on the other hand…?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Not sure what Paws is parroting regarding JT's fan club. So far haven't read any complaints that it was the wrong decision. If they were going to sack him they did it at the right time. They gave it the bandaid treatment, right off. Taking it off slowly could have taken half the year and impacted recruitment/retention. As it stands now, that shouldn't be affected provided we find the right replacement. Moving him on early also salvages some hope for the rest of 2017.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Lookout Teddy Brooksie,woods and Moses, you will be promoted to the level of Pariahs to replace Robbie, you will be blamed for every single problem in the club and be described as a cancer that needs to be cut out,
All the vitriol that can be directed atyou guys will be. And you will be the so called Boys Club forever on.
The fact that Taylor isn't a coach will be lost, and all blame will go to you. All because you were sensible enough to want to know if you had to put up with a pathetic coach.
The fact that you as players would be the ones to have the most knowledge of whether Taylor is any good as a Coach. Doesn't matter.The forum definetly knows best.
Congratulations for valuing your careers enough to want to know if the person who was going to be making selections and decisions on yourcareer and your progress each season, actually knew how to coach

Such an immature post.

You think so?????
What I've said there HAS already started, in numerous posts. The Taylor supporters are already searching for someone to blame.
I'd be happy for you to tell me what part is immature.
Actually I'd love to be immature again, around 20 would be great :laughing:

To be fair GCT, the buck does stop with them now. I have no qualms accepting that JT wasn't the right coach for us, he had three off seasons and two seasons to make us competitive, and he was a failure.

If another coach comes in and they don't perform, whose fault is it then though? Sirro didn't perform under three coaches here, and now looks ordinary under Barrett, we don't mind suggesting the problem laid with him? When do these guys come under scrutiny?

I agree with that the buck does stop with them AND the rest of the players .although I can't put blame on Sirro too much , as in my opinion he was mucked around with from the first time that he came up to 1st Grade with positions. He never knew where the hell he was going to be.
I think that he will get better at The Eagles, but who Knows.
As for Taylor He made it almost impossible to not sack him with the disasters starting from the last month of last season and the first games this year,
It looks to me he was going if we didn't improve from the start this year. And they decided that they couldn't let it go on , there was no other sensible alternative that didn't mean the season was probably stuffed

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Goldcoast Tiger and pawsandclaws, you 2 are deluded. Dislike JT all you like, none of us have to like our clubs coach whatsoever but if you blokes are happy with our players deciding who they will allow to coach us without being undermined by our playing group then just bloody wow. Craziness.

Sorry Fade to Black on was on my second bottle of chardonnay 10 minutes after the news broke. :smiley:

Please FB
Can you show me any evidence of where the players have done anything wrong apart from playing some ordinary football
I do mean evidence NOT hearsay Gossip.

 

[Nelson]

I agree with that the buck does stop with them AND the rest of the players .although I can't put blame on Sirro too much , as in my opinion he was mucked around with from the first time that he came up to 1st Grade with positions. He never knew where the hell he was going to be.
I think that he will get better at The Eagles, but who Knows.

That excuse got tired years ago and no doubt he's had far too many people repeating it to him over the years. What they need to be taught more than anything else is personal responsibility. It's not always someone else's job to make everything easier for them. Sirro didn't need to be told 2 years in advance that he was going to moved to the second row. Once he was there he was there and he needed to work on his fitness and his involvement in a game - these remain issues to this day.

Moses and Brooks don't need "minders" making every tackle for them. They shouldn't be waiting around for a coach to come along and magically make them better players, they need to find it within themselves. They need to try harder to physically compete in defence and they need to learn what works for them in terms of maintaining mental composure.

 

[Telltails]

I dont know how you can make the few first graders we do have responsible for the squad that they are expected to compete with /alongside
Management and coach put this lot together and as hard as they may try they dont match it in the forwards or backs with most of the teams they oppose. Nor is there much depth ready for FG to amount any pressure.
The club owns this team and already by round 3 we can see they are going to cop some hidings and once it starts to attack confidence - well who knows how bad it will get
If you want to blame anyone for this year and where we are at its not the players fault - they dont manage the cap they dont recruit and they didnt appoint JT, nor did they fire him even if they didnt endorse him.
They need to perform the best they can - but its not the movies - we have glaring weaknesses and everyone knows them. Thank god we often perform well against Melbourne cause we need to.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

There has been plenty of criticism of Brooks and Moses - some warranted. But let's remember that the former coach (I refuse to use his name) played in the halves and certainly doesn't seem to have been able to help Brooks and Moses to work to the potential they showed at school and SG Ball level. Let's see how Andrew Webster goes over the coming weeks as caretaker - also a former halfback so could work as an assistant coach working with the halves on a week to week basis. **He definitely couldn't do any worse than the now departed coach.**

You assume too much!

Like most, I have hopes Taylor's sacking will be the kick up the clacker the club needs, But, should we not make the semis this year, the new coach can't be said to have any done any better. Things could get a lot worse.

So you don't think that a new Coach should get a bit of slack to get the new processes in place
And get the time to work on the things that Taylor wasn't able to fix, as well as the things that he made worse. Taylor has had two seasons and three preseasons toget this team where it is, and that's not a good place. Yet the new coach is expected to remedy that in a short time?????
I think that we will get either a win or at least a respectable lossthis week, but it is going the best part of the season to get any consistency. And it might take more than that, il be happy if we can past halftime in our games and still be in the games for this year. That'd be a hell of an improvement

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I agree with that the buck does stop with them AND the rest of the players .although I can't put blame on Sirro too much , as in my opinion he was mucked around with from the first time that he came up to 1st Grade with positions. He never knew where the hell he was going to be.
I think that he will get better at The Eagles, but who Knows.

That excuse got tired years ago and no doubt he's had far too many people repeating it to him over the years. What they need to be taught more than anything else is personal responsibility. It's not always someone else's job to make everything easier for them. Sirro didn't need to be told 2 years in advance that he was going to moved to the second row. Once he was there he was there and he needed to work on his fitness and his involvement in a game - these remain issues to this day.

Moses and Brooks don't need "minders" making every tackle for them. They shouldn't be waiting around for a coach to come along and magically make them better players, they need to find it within themselves. They need to try harder to physically compete in defence and they need to learn what works for them in terms of maintaining mental composure.

Carroll was a minder for langer for a fair while playing for the Broncos
Beau Scott has had plenty of experience in that job too, among a lot of other backrowers. The point you miss is that most clubs do NOT put two rookie halves with suspect defence in at the same time. That's a club and Coach failure , and a stupid one.
Il say it again, I think they were thrown to the wolves way too early. That can't be changed now but the club has a lot to answer to for doing it , any future would have to look at whether they need help from outside or whether to sign one or both and work with them to fix their obvious problems. There are a lot of problems to be addressed, I hope whoever comes in is capable of doing that

 

[laufoofan]

We have such an immature lot that think they are that good. Anytime when they can't deliver, they blame the coach. How about they concentrate on their own game, they should be responsible for themselves. I am sick of them telling the club they won't play under the coach. Who are they to tell the club? They are not good enough, that is the truth about the whole thing. Have a look into the mirror to take on their responsibility and stop the blaming game. Woods is a big pussy, Tedesco doesn't passed the ball, Brooks is not up to standard and Moses need to lift. That is your spine. We need men, not boys and we are sick of them blaming the coach other than themselves.

 

[Nelson]

I agree with that the buck does stop with them AND the rest of the players .although I can't put blame on Sirro too much , as in my opinion he was mucked around with from the first time that he came up to 1st Grade with positions. He never knew where the hell he was going to be.
I think that he will get better at The Eagles, but who Knows.

That excuse got tired years ago and no doubt he's had far too many people repeating it to him over the years. What they need to be taught more than anything else is personal responsibility. It's not always someone else's job to make everything easier for them. Sirro didn't need to be told 2 years in advance that he was going to moved to the second row. Once he was there he was there and he needed to work on his fitness and his involvement in a game - these remain issues to this day.

Moses and Brooks don't need "minders" making every tackle for them. They shouldn't be waiting around for a coach to come along and magically make them better players, they need to find it within themselves. They need to try harder to physically compete in defence and they need to learn what works for them in terms of maintaining mental composure.

Carroll was a minder for langer for a fair while playing for the Broncos
Beau Scott has had plenty of experience in that job too, among a lot of other backrowers. The point you miss is that most clubs do NOT put two rookie halves with suspect defence in at the same time. That's a club and Coach failure , and a stupid one.
Il say it again, I think they were thrown to the wolves way too early. That can't be changed now but the club has a lot to answer to for doing it , any future would have to look at whether they need help from outside or whether to sign one or both and work with them to fix their obvious problems. There are a lot of problems to be addressed, I hope whoever comes in is capable of doing that

I don't miss that point, I just don't care about it. It's just weak. You go in and you swim if you're good enough and if you're not good enough you at least learn how to tread water to survive. You don't just sink to the bottom waiting for a lifesaver. I hope whoever comes in gives them no excuses. They don't need to be coddled and told they've been hard done by, they need to be told to harden up and take responsibility for the results of the team. Otherwise they can bugger off.

 

[kiwitiger]

I was happy for JT to stay if the big 4 were supporting him and if they were im sure they would have all signed by now. If getting Payten means we sign them all then bring him on. He would be pretty cheap and im sure he would love to come back. He couldn't be worse then what we have.

Question. If JT did not want to re-sign one of the: great 1, good 1 and average 2, would you agree if they forced JT out? Why re-sign them all if we waste so much of our cap on 2 above average players and 2 average or below players….

 

[Tiger4life]

I was happy for JT to stay if the big 4 were supporting him and if they were im sure they would have all signed by now. If getting Payten means we sign them all then bring him on. He would be pretty cheap and im sure he would love to come back. He couldn't be worse then what we have.

Question. If JT did not want to re-sign one of the: great 1, good 1 and average 2, would you agree if they forced JT out? Why re-sign them all if we waste so much of our cap on 2 above average players and 2 average or below players….

To be honest with you i would say no. Only Tedesco and Woods deserve the coin. The other 2 should be known as the pretenders and we should only keep 1 of them. I would also not touch Payten with a bar of soap now that i know he is managed by Issac aswell. Cleary has to come in and be given full power by the board to build a roster. He will be the first cosch that has no Farah and no back ended deals or salary cap issues to worry about.