Take The Pledge

[OzLuke]

i bought season tickets not a membership and to date i have not been able to use my 4 seqson tickets i know not the clubs fault but they should look after members better and work out how to get members into games.

Yeah I don't view them as memberships either, they are 100% season tickets. Membership to me implies more than we receive.

It's pretty smart by clubs. They eliminated football memberships so fans can't have a say on the running of a club and can't see what they are doing with the finances. Then they call the season tickets 'memberships' to make the fans feel important but if any games get cancelled they don't have to refund the money because it's actually a membership you bought, not a ticket to the game.

Very clever.

Marketing at it's finest.....I know clubs need to survive but don't play the games....just be honest about things and not blow smoke up our patooties

IMO that all Pascoe ever does.

I'm only really just starting to notice it....

 

[Tiger5150]

i bought season tickets not a membership and to date i have not been able to use my 4 seqson tickets i know not the clubs fault but they should look after members better and work out how to get members into games.

Yeah I don't view them as memberships either, they are 100% season tickets. Membership to me implies more than we receive.

It's pretty smart by clubs. They eliminated football memberships so fans can't have a say on the running of a club and can't see what they are doing with the finances. Then they call the season tickets 'memberships' to make the fans feel important but if any games get cancelled they don't have to refund the money because it's actually a membership you bought, not a ticket to the game.

Very clever.

Marketing at it's finest.....I know clubs need to survive but don't play the games....just be honest about things and not blow smoke up our patooties

IMO that all Pascoe ever does.

Well Im thankful for that. Before Pascoe there was Tigers marketing was atrocious. Consistent growth in membership since. Where is the black cloud in that silver lining?

 

[jirskyr]

i bought season tickets not a membership and to date i have not been able to use my 4 seqson tickets i know not the clubs fault but they should look after members better and work out how to get members into games.

Yeah I don't view them as memberships either, they are 100% season tickets. Membership to me implies more than we receive.

It's pretty smart by clubs. They eliminated football memberships so fans can't have a say on the running of a club and can't see what they are doing with the finances. Then they call the season tickets 'memberships' to make the fans feel important but if any games get cancelled they don't have to refund the money because it's actually a membership you bought, not a ticket to the game.

Very clever.

I don't think Wests Tigers ever had a football membership, that all went away when we voted to merge. Also I don't really think football club members have ever had, or at least not for decades, any meaningful capacity to affect football operations.

For example Souths are intentionally set back up to be part-owned by members, but only up to 25%. Which means Rusty and James Packer can out-vote all members on any initiative, under whatever voting rights members may or may not have (not being a member myself I cannot say).

NRL are just late on the bandwagon of what AFL has been successfully doing for a long time - transitioning fandom into subscribing members. Nothing specifically clever about it, most entertainment industries are moving to the subscription model.

To also then sarcastically criticise the club - all clubs - about what is happening under coronavirus is silly. When has an NRL match ever been cancelled prior to COVID lockdowns? It is without precedent and you make out like pre 2020 clubs have intentionally been constructing backdoors into their membership with the express purpose of letting them retain revenues if games are called off.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

with WT you buy season tickets i believe not a membership unlike the Wests and Balmain days gone by when you were a voting member or balmain or wests since the merger we have no "voting members"

 

[gallagher]

i bought season tickets not a membership and to date i have not been able to use my 4 seqson tickets i know not the clubs fault but they should look after members better and work out how to get members into games.

Yeah I don't view them as memberships either, they are 100% season tickets. Membership to me implies more than we receive.

It's pretty smart by clubs. They eliminated football memberships so fans can't have a say on the running of a club and can't see what they are doing with the finances. Then they call the season tickets 'memberships' to make the fans feel important but if any games get cancelled they don't have to refund the money because it's actually a membership you bought, not a ticket to the game.

Very clever.

Marketing at it's finest.....I know clubs need to survive but don't play the games....just be honest about things and not blow smoke up our patooties

IMO that all Pascoe ever does.

I'm only really just starting to notice it....

Sounds like a politician.

 

[Geo]

i bought season tickets not a membership and to date i have not been able to use my 4 seqson tickets i know not the clubs fault but they should look after members better and work out how to get members into games.

Yeah I don't view them as memberships either, they are 100% season tickets. Membership to me implies more than we receive.

It's pretty smart by clubs. They eliminated football memberships so fans can't have a say on the running of a club and can't see what they are doing with the finances. Then they call the season tickets 'memberships' to make the fans feel important but if any games get cancelled they don't have to refund the money because it's actually a membership you bought, not a ticket to the game.

Very clever.

I don't think Wests Tigers ever had a football membership, that all went away when we voted to merge. Also I don't really think football club members have ever had, or at least not for decades, any meaningful capacity to affect football operations.

For example Souths are intentionally set back up to be part-owned by members, but only up to 25%. Which means Rusty and James Packer can out-vote all members on any initiative, under whatever voting rights members may or may not have (not being a member myself I cannot say).

NRL are just late on the bandwagon of what AFL has been successfully doing for a long time - transitioning fandom into subscribing members. Nothing specifically clever about it, most entertainment industries are moving to the subscription model.

To also then sarcastically criticise the club - all clubs - about what is happening under coronavirus is silly. When has an NRL match ever been cancelled prior to COVID lockdowns? It is without precedent and you make out like pre 2020 clubs have intentionally been constructing backdoors into their membership with the express purpose of letting them retain revenues if games are called off.

The Dogs are the only Sydney Club left where 'Members' have a say on who is elected onto the Board of the football Club...that works out well...possibly Parwa too but they changed something when they got busted for cap rorting I think..

In all honesty I don't think enough 'Members' if they had the power to change a Club at board level would have a clue if the change was good or not..

Wests Ashfield is a good example a small but vocal minority were against taking over Balmain Leagues but the vast majority of Lucky 88 members couldn't care less ...just voted as the Club wished..

 

[Tigerbuck63]

i bought season tickets not a membership and to date i have not been able to use my 4 seqson tickets i know not the clubs fault but they should look after members better and work out how to get members into games.

Yeah I don't view them as memberships either, they are 100% season tickets. Membership to me implies more than we receive.

It's pretty smart by clubs. They eliminated football memberships so fans can't have a say on the running of a club and can't see what they are doing with the finances. Then they call the season tickets 'memberships' to make the fans feel important but if any games get cancelled they don't have to refund the money because it's actually a membership you bought, not a ticket to the game.

Very clever.

Marketing at it's finest.....I know clubs need to survive but don't play the games....just be honest about things and not blow smoke up our patooties

IMO that all Pascoe ever does.


Well Im thankful for that. Before Pascoe there was Tigers marketing was atrocious. Consistent growth in membership since. Where is the black cloud in that silver lining?

Membership numbers confirm your comments, but no real growth of late, last few years. If we had made finals maybe we also would have more members?
Membership is also about where you finish on the ladder each year.

2015 - Finished 14th
2016 - 14,879 - Finished - 9th
2017 - 18,074 - Finished - 15th
2018 - 20,794 - Finished - 9th
2019 - 20,739 - Finished - 9th
2020 - 17,822 (Was away 6 months / Shutdown/9th again 3/5 years)

Putting together new High performance centre, long term benefits, and club made a profit last year, so financially responsible, big tick......

Negative - NRL provisional fine - $750k (50% reduced) - $375k
Salary cap 2 years - $639k reduction
Could of been hung out to dry by club but took responsibility, still not great.

Have not made finals since been there - Not a great result.

Overall - Positives / Negatives in the role.
Marketing could have been better in this case with Pledge.

 

[gallagher]

i bought season tickets not a membership and to date i have not been able to use my 4 seqson tickets i know not the clubs fault but they should look after members better and work out how to get members into games.

Yeah I don't view them as memberships either, they are 100% season tickets. Membership to me implies more than we receive.

It's pretty smart by clubs. They eliminated football memberships so fans can't have a say on the running of a club and can't see what they are doing with the finances. Then they call the season tickets 'memberships' to make the fans feel important but if any games get cancelled they don't have to refund the money because it's actually a membership you bought, not a ticket to the game.

Very clever.

I don't think Wests Tigers ever had a football membership, that all went away when we voted to merge. Also I don't really think football club members have ever had, or at least not for decades, any meaningful capacity to affect football operations.

For example Souths are intentionally set back up to be part-owned by members, but only up to 25%. Which means Rusty and James Packer can out-vote all members on any initiative, under whatever voting rights members may or may not have (not being a member myself I cannot say).

NRL are just late on the bandwagon of what AFL has been successfully doing for a long time - transitioning fandom into subscribing members. Nothing specifically clever about it, most entertainment industries are moving to the subscription model.

To also then sarcastically criticise the club - all clubs - about what is happening under coronavirus is silly. When has an NRL match ever been cancelled prior to COVID lockdowns? It is without precedent and you make out like pre 2020 clubs have intentionally been constructing backdoors into their membership with the express purpose of letting them retain revenues if games are called off.

Games were cancelled in the super league era when super league clubs forfeited. Your naive if you don't think clubs look at protecting their incomes.

 

[gallagher]

i bought season tickets not a membership and to date i have not been able to use my 4 seqson tickets i know not the clubs fault but they should look after members better and work out how to get members into games.

Yeah I don't view them as memberships either, they are 100% season tickets. Membership to me implies more than we receive.

It's pretty smart by clubs. They eliminated football memberships so fans can't have a say on the running of a club and can't see what they are doing with the finances. Then they call the season tickets 'memberships' to make the fans feel important but if any games get cancelled they don't have to refund the money because it's actually a membership you bought, not a ticket to the game.

Very clever.

Marketing at it's finest.....I know clubs need to survive but don't play the games....just be honest about things and not blow smoke up our patooties

IMO that all Pascoe ever does.


Well Im thankful for that. Before Pascoe there was Tigers marketing was atrocious. Consistent growth in membership since. Where is the black cloud in that silver lining?


Membership numbers confirm your comments, but no real growth of late, last few years. If we had made finals maybe we also would have more members?
Membership is also about where you finish on the ladder each year.

2015 - Finished 14th
2016 - 14,879 - Finished - 9th
2017 - 18,074 - Finished - 15th
2018 - 20,794 - Finished - 9th
2019 - 20,739 - Finished - 9th
2020 - 17,822 (Was away 6 months / Shutdown/9th again 3/5 years)

Putting together new High performance centre, long term benefits, and club made a profit last year, so financially responsible, big tick......

Negative - NRL provisional fine - $750k (50% reduced) - $375k
Salary cap 2 years - $639k reduction
Could of been hung out to dry by club but took responsibility, still not great.

Have not made finals since been there - Not a great result.

Overall - Positives / Negatives in the role.
Marketing could have been better in this case with Pledge.

The club made a loss last year according to Pascoes graph.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

i bought season tickets not a membership and to date i have not been able to use my 4 seqson tickets i know not the clubs fault but they should look after members better and work out how to get members into games.

Yeah I don't view them as memberships either, they are 100% season tickets. Membership to me implies more than we receive.

It's pretty smart by clubs. They eliminated football memberships so fans can't have a say on the running of a club and can't see what they are doing with the finances. Then they call the season tickets 'memberships' to make the fans feel important but if any games get cancelled they don't have to refund the money because it's actually a membership you bought, not a ticket to the game.

Very clever.

Marketing at it's finest.....I know clubs need to survive but don't play the games....just be honest about things and not blow smoke up our patooties

IMO that all Pascoe ever does.


Well Im thankful for that. Before Pascoe there was Tigers marketing was atrocious. Consistent growth in membership since. Where is the black cloud in that silver lining?


Membership numbers confirm your comments, but no real growth of late, last few years. If we had made finals maybe we also would have more members?
Membership is also about where you finish on the ladder each year.

2015 - Finished 14th
2016 - 14,879 - Finished - 9th
2017 - 18,074 - Finished - 15th
2018 - 20,794 - Finished - 9th
2019 - 20,739 - Finished - 9th
2020 - 17,822 (Was away 6 months / Shutdown/9th again 3/5 years)

Putting together new High performance centre, long term benefits, and club made a profit last year, so financially responsible, big tick......

Negative - NRL provisional fine - $750k (50% reduced) - $375k
Salary cap 2 years - $639k reduction
Could of been hung out to dry by club but took responsibility, still not great.

Have not made finals since been there - Not a great result.

Overall - Positives / Negatives in the role.
Marketing could have been better in this case with Pledge.

The club made a loss last year according to Pascoes graph.

Ok thought it was last year but looks like in 2018 maybe, i stand corrected.

The Tigers finished with a $4.6 million loss in 2016 and a $2.4 million loss in 2017 before the recording a profit in 2018. Membership also rose from 14,879 in 2016 to 20,794 this season 2018, with forecasts of more than 23,500 in 2019 for memberships - Note which was never achieved.

 

[innsaneink]

I find it gives me less angst stepping away from membership & letting it go... It's a bit like a divorce.... Casual now from a distance much easier.
Stopped caring as much as I did a few years back now

I don't understand why you continue to post about how much less you care.

I'm not criticising you, it's just that you are on here a lot for someone who doesn't care as much; you must have been bananas obsessed with Tigers back then if this is your "less".

I'm on here and posting much less than I used to.

I think I've posted twice about this topic.. If that's continually then so be it

Not making finals year after year really used to annoy me... Now not so much

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

just announced from july 2020 by Morrison stadiums with less than 40,000 capacity are allowed 25 % for fans
Expect our games to move to ANZ to allow 20,000 capacity
cleaning at ANZ is well underway

 

[Spud_Murphy]

i bought season tickets not a membership and to date i have not been able to use my 4 seqson tickets i know not the clubs fault but they should look after members better and work out how to get members into games.

Yeah I don't view them as memberships either, they are 100% season tickets. Membership to me implies more than we receive.

It's pretty smart by clubs. They eliminated football memberships so fans can't have a say on the running of a club and can't see what they are doing with the finances. Then they call the season tickets 'memberships' to make the fans feel important but if any games get cancelled they don't have to refund the money because it's actually a membership you bought, not a ticket to the game.

Very clever.

Marketing at it's finest.....I know clubs need to survive but don't play the games....just be honest about things and not blow smoke up our patooties

IMO that all Pascoe ever does.


Well Im thankful for that. Before Pascoe there was Tigers marketing was atrocious. Consistent growth in membership since. Where is the black cloud in that silver lining?


Membership numbers confirm your comments, but no real growth of late, last few years. If we had made finals maybe we also would have more members?
Membership is also about where you finish on the ladder each year.

**2015 - Finished 14th
2016 - 14,879 - Finished - 9th
2017 - 18,074 - Finished - 15th
2018 - 20,794 - Finished - 9th
2019 - 20,739 - Finished - 9th
2020 - 17,822 (Was away 6 months / Shutdown/9th again 3/5 years)**

Putting together new High performance centre, long term benefits, and club made a profit last year, so financially responsible, big tick......

Negative - NRL provisional fine - $750k (50% reduced) - $375k
Salary cap 2 years - $639k reduction
Could of been hung out to dry by club but took responsibility, still not great.

Have not made finals since been there - Not a great result.

Overall - Positives / Negatives in the role.
Marketing could have been better in this case with Pledge.

Hmmm if we were a racehorse our owners probably would’ve retired us long ago!

 

[jirskyr]

Games were cancelled in the super league era when super league clubs forfeited. Your naive if you don’t think clubs look at protecting their incomes.

Of course they want to protect their income, it shouldn't be any other way.

But you specifically highlighted cancelled matches as a mechanism by which clubs have coerced / duped / tricked / marketed (which ever word is most appropriate for you) funds out of fans, that they sell you a product which they might not have to follow through on and retain the funds. The two examples offered - COVID and Super League war forfeits. Hardly a large income stream or prominent cost mechanism.

 

[gallagher]

Games were cancelled in the super league era when super league clubs forfeited. Your naive if you don’t think clubs look at protecting their incomes.

Of course they want to protect their income, it shouldn't be any other way.

But you specifically highlighted cancelled matches as a mechanism by which clubs have coerced / duped / tricked / marketed (which ever word is most appropriate for you) funds out of fans, that they sell you a product which they might not have to follow through on and retain the funds. The two examples offered - COVID and Super League war forfeits. Hardly a large income stream or prominent cost mechanism.

If not a large income stream why don't they refund the money then?

 

[Snake]

Games were cancelled in the super league era when super league clubs forfeited. Your naive if you don’t think clubs look at protecting their incomes.

Of course they want to protect their income, it shouldn't be any other way.

But you specifically highlighted cancelled matches as a mechanism by which clubs have coerced / duped / tricked / marketed (which ever word is most appropriate for you) funds out of fans, that they sell you a product which they might not have to follow through on and retain the funds. The two examples offered - COVID and Super League war forfeits. Hardly a large income stream or prominent cost mechanism.

If not a large income stream why don't they refund the money then?

Have you asked ? Just interested ..

 

[gallagher]

Games were cancelled in the super league era when super league clubs forfeited. Your naive if you don’t think clubs look at protecting their incomes.

Of course they want to protect their income, it shouldn't be any other way.

But you specifically highlighted cancelled matches as a mechanism by which clubs have coerced / duped / tricked / marketed (which ever word is most appropriate for you) funds out of fans, that they sell you a product which they might not have to follow through on and retain the funds. The two examples offered - COVID and Super League war forfeits. Hardly a large income stream or prominent cost mechanism.

If not a large income stream why don't they refund the money then?

Have you asked ? Just interested ..

I dont live in Sydney so dont buy game tickets and I havnt renewed my out of towner membership since Pascoe cheated the cap.

 

[Snake]

Games were cancelled in the super league era when super league clubs forfeited. Your naive if you don’t think clubs look at protecting their incomes.

Of course they want to protect their income, it shouldn't be any other way.

But you specifically highlighted cancelled matches as a mechanism by which clubs have coerced / duped / tricked / marketed (which ever word is most appropriate for you) funds out of fans, that they sell you a product which they might not have to follow through on and retain the funds. The two examples offered - COVID and Super League war forfeits. Hardly a large income stream or prominent cost mechanism.

If not a large income stream why don't they refund the money then?

Have you asked ? Just interested ..

I dont live in Sydney so dont buy game tickets and I havnt renewed my out of towner membership since Pascoe cheated the cap.

If you did just interested in what the clubs response was !?

 

[Tiger5150]

Games were cancelled in the super league era when super league clubs forfeited. Your naive if you don’t think clubs look at protecting their incomes.

Of course they want to protect their income, it shouldn't be any other way.

But you specifically highlighted cancelled matches as a mechanism by which clubs have coerced / duped / tricked / marketed (which ever word is most appropriate for you) funds out of fans, that they sell you a product which they might not have to follow through on and retain the funds. The two examples offered - COVID and Super League war forfeits. Hardly a large income stream or prominent cost mechanism.

If not a large income stream why don't they refund the money then?

Have you asked ? Just interested ..

I dont live in Sydney so dont buy game tickets and I havnt renewed my out of towner membership since Pascoe cheated the cap.

Then why do you care?

 

[Tigerbuck63]

i bought season tickets not a membership and to date i have not been able to use my 4 seqson tickets i know not the clubs fault but they should look after members better and work out how to get members into games.

Yeah I don't view them as memberships either, they are 100% season tickets. Membership to me implies more than we receive.

It's pretty smart by clubs. They eliminated football memberships so fans can't have a say on the running of a club and can't see what they are doing with the finances. Then they call the season tickets 'memberships' to make the fans feel important but if any games get cancelled they don't have to refund the money because it's actually a membership you bought, not a ticket to the game.

Very clever.

I don't think Wests Tigers ever had a football membership, that all went away when we voted to merge. Also I don't really think football club members have ever had, or at least not for decades, any meaningful capacity to affect football operations.

For example Souths are intentionally set back up to be part-owned by members, but only up to 25%. Which means Rusty and James Packer can out-vote all members on any initiative, under whatever voting rights members may or may not have (not being a member myself I cannot say).

NRL are just late on the bandwagon of what AFL has been successfully doing for a long time - transitioning fandom into subscribing members. Nothing specifically clever about it, most entertainment industries are moving to the subscription model.

To also then sarcastically criticise the club - all clubs - about what is happening under coronavirus is silly. When has an NRL match ever been cancelled prior to COVID lockdowns? It is without precedent and you make out like pre 2020 clubs have intentionally been constructing backdoors into their membership with the express purpose of letting them retain revenues if games are called off.

Games were cancelled in the super league era when super league clubs forfeited. Your naive if you don't think clubs look at protecting their incomes.

I think the criticism is around the way that have Marketed take the Pledge we are run by lawyers so they want to cover a refunds if lots of members decide that they received nothing for what they paid for this season.
Agree its unprecedented what has transpired but i would rather be given the option of stating why in simple terms why taking the pledge along with a refund policy statement that gives both options.

The Club's response is to give you a chance to Win a corporate ticket to a game if you take the pledge as per email this week to members.
There has been nothing about refund policies.
I am happy to take the pledge and make it a donation to the club but i would like to see something in return.
Make the 8 this season instead of 9th.

Here is the email.

Dear valued Member,

Wests Tigers are excited to introduce Members back to game days! We are calling upon Members to take the pledge to go into the chance of winning a corporate ticket*. For more information about the competition, please click here.
Note - Drinks and food not supplied not sure that's corporate?

To date, Wests Tigers have received an overwhelming response from our Members in regards to how they can best support the club. Thousands of Wests Tigers have made the decision to stand as one and pledge their 2020 Membership, confirming their commitment to the club to help ensure a strong Wests Tigers both now and in the future.

To go into the draw to win a corporate ticket*, Wests Tigers are calling upon Members to pledge and tell us in 25 words or less why you would love to attend our Round 6 match against the North Queensland Cowboys this weekend.

Those members already pledged can enter the draw.

My 25 Words or less.
I spent loads of $ on tickets not been able to support the club nor interact with other members that have become family.

The competition ends Thursday, June 18 at 12:00pm AEST, with all Members who have already pledged automatically included the draw.

PS - I asked the club via Member corporate services about this policy via email and never received a reply back.