Tallyn Da Silva #270

[TSP]

Maybe another pressing issue for us @Droppy05 is that we need a more accessible democratic structure to hold the decision makers accountable.

The Old Mates Act is still in force.

If we get the spoon again, it will difficult to argue from a results perspective that the HB Board coup has achieved anything but prolong the tenure of the incompetent and ineffective. Replaced one set of rascals with another.

If the club expects us to be placated with 5 wins a season, that’s hopeless.

 

[Moh]

The problem with the pro-Api camp is they are measuring the 25 version and not what he’ll be like 2 seasons down the track.

Hang on, this needs to be clarified.

The 'pro-Api camp' are not suggesting we pick Api ahead of TDS by the time '27 rolls around.

In the ideal world it should be a straightforward transition with TDS getting more and more minutes with the aim of starting in '27. Depending how Api is going then, you decide the minutes he gets off the bench.

 

[Tucker]

Hang on, this needs to be clarified.

The 'pro-Api camp' are not suggesting we pick Api ahead of TDS by the time '27 rolls around.

In the ideal world it should be a straightforward transition with TDS getting more and more minutes with the aim of starting in '27. Depending how Api is going then, you decide the minutes he gets off the bench.

The "pro Api" camp seem confused and are constantly saying that TDS wants Api position now.
Your third and fourth sentences are exactly what the "pro Tallyn" camp are arguing.

 

[mtd#2]

Maybe another pressing issue for us @Droppy05 is that we need a more accessible democratic structure to hold the decision makers accountable.

The Old Mates Act is still in force.

If we get the spoon again, it will difficult to argue from a results perspective that the HB Board coup has achieved anything but prolong the tenure of the incompetent and ineffective. Replaced one set of rascals with another.

If the club expects us to be placated with 5 wins a season, that’s hopeless.

That's right
We deserve 6 wins a season!!!
Riot!!!

 

[tig_prmz]

Thinking about the season Harry Grant had with us in 2020.

Smith didn't retire until a month after the end of season.

Grant was willing to go back to Storm and bide his time further to take Smith's spot.

Not to mention, he already waited a couple of years as well without any first grade experience.

Hynes did the same as well until he went to Sharks.

We are recruiting the wrong type of people. We are recruiting players that just want to be seen by the world so they can go to another team.

The recruiting team needs to weed these players out. I'd rather take a play who is 10-15% worse than TDS but is more likely to stick it out with us even when we are losing and want to be the ones to make a change.

 

[Tucker]

Thinking about the season Harry Grant had with us in 2020.

Smith didn't retire until a month after the end of season.

Grant was willing to go back to Storm and bide his time further to take Smith's spot.

Not to mention, he already waited a couple of years as well without any first grade experience.

Hynes did the same as well until he went to Sharks.

We are recruiting the wrong type of people. We are recruiting players that just want to be seen by the world so they can go to another team.

The recruiting team needs to weed these players out. I'd rather take a play who is 10-15% worse than TDS but is more likely to stick it out with us even when we are losing and want to be the ones to make a change.

Tallyn is that guy.
If his tune has now changed then question what has been said behind closed doors.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

The point is. The juniors want out. The top gun

 

[mtd#2]

Thinking about the season Harry Grant had with us in 2020.

Smith didn't retire until a month after the end of season.

Grant was willing to go back to Storm and bide his time further to take Smith's spot.

Not to mention, he already waited a couple of years as well without any first grade experience.

Hynes did the same as well until he went to Sharks.

We are recruiting the wrong type of people. We are recruiting players that just want to be seen by the world so they can go to another team.

The recruiting team needs to weed these players out. I'd rather take a play who is 10-15% worse than TDS but is more likely to stick it out with us even when we are losing and want to be the ones to make a change.

I think that's why Benji is loyal to API... He stuck with us through a really tough time...

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

I think that's why Benji is loyal to API... He stuck with us through a really tough time...

Get rich quick scheme?

 

[Chunk]

Hang on, this needs to be clarified.

The 'pro-Api camp' are not suggesting we pick Api ahead of TDS by the time '27 rolls around.

In the ideal world it should be a straightforward transition with TDS getting more and more minutes with the aim of starting in '27. Depending how Api is going then, you decide the minutes he gets off the bench.

Yes but the pro Api camp needs to understand that for 2027, he should only be offered back up hooker money.

And if he doesn't like it, he'll have to look elsewhere, which he probably will, thats his choice.

TDS should be our number one hooker in 2027, like you said.

For the sake of the team and club, I'm having trouble understanding why people can't see this.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

For the sake of your health - you do understand that the players are rich and don't really care about you too much?

 

[Jolls]

I think people are jumping at shadows here. Api is definitely the number one hooker right now and probably for the start of 26 at least. If TDS wants to be the number one in 26/27 he needs to push Api off his perch - that is completely up to him and it shouldn't matter if Api gets a contract extension or not.

It will be difficult for him as Api is the club Captain but I expect by 27 will be in decline; but he may not. With better middles and a couple of edges making the go forward better Api may be able to extend his career by playing smarter.

If he was to stay I would expect him to be sharing duties with Api or have displaced Api by 27 - but that is in his court. I'm sure Richo and Benji have mapped out a plan for him to take over from Api; but, something is holding him back

If Tallyn doesn't want to sign because Api gets and extension there are could be a few things at play:

• he is concerned that he won't have developed enough, or Api declined enough, for him to wrestle the top job away from him;
• he wants to be a guaranteed starter in 27. I'm not sure anyone will write that contract - so he will still be in the same boat as having to unseat Api if he signs for someone in Nov 25;
• the $ being offered to his manager are overs and we can't compete; or
• there are personal/group dynamic issues involved.

Tallyn has always stated that he is learning and is not quite ready for FG yet. He also comes across as a down to earth young man with a good head on his shoulders. So why the current change of heart? It leads me to think that either there are a lot of $ on offer, or there are personal/group dynamic issues.

Him being granted permission to speak to other clubs does not necessarily mean he will leave any earlier than his contracted date. I don't think TDS will do a Galvin and agitate for an early release unless there are personal/group dynamic issues that are making it untenable for him around the playing group. That doesn't seem to be the case (from the outside looking in).

I'm sure it will come out in the wash - but this should just play out in the background and we deal with it when it happens. The band aid is off the wound; let it air instead of festering below the surface. We will know soon enough and will have time to develop a solution should he depart.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

At the moment. It's back wash.

 

[Jolls]

Yes but the pro Api camp needs to understand that for 2027, he should only be offered back up hooker money.

And if he doesn't like it, he'll have to look elsewhere, which he probably will, thats his choice.

TDS should be our number one hooker in 2027, like you said.

For the sake of the team and club, I'm having trouble understanding why people can't see this.

Unfortunatley that is a short sighted approach. We don't know that Api will be that far in decline and we also don't know that TDS will have developed to the position that he pushes Api out. The approach is to structure a deal that meets both player's needs. Api knows that he will have to hand over the reigns at some point, but he is definitely worth more in advice and mentorship than back up hooker $ - less than what he is on - probably - but you don't keep quality without paying for it. Banking everything on TDS is also a risk - he simply isn't there yet. He is developing nicely - but he does not have the deception and cunning of Api.

Is there room for two hookers in 27? In my book yes; providing we have developed TDS properly. Api may become the 14, or he may start and TDS comes on agaisnt tired legs - it will all depend on how TDS develops and how far Api declines.

There is a deal to be made - in fact I'm pretty sure it is has been discussed with TDS, and his management want to see what else is on the table before signing up. That isn't a problem and we have time.

This isn't an Api or TDS issue so we shouldn't have pro Api - or pro TDS discussion - it should be about how we keep both.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Thinking about the season Harry Grant had with us in 2020.

Smith didn't retire until a month after the end of season.

Grant was willing to go back to Storm and bide his time further to take Smith's spot.

Not to mention, he already waited a couple of years as well without any first grade experience.

Hynes did the same as well until he went to Sharks.

We are recruiting the wrong type of people. We are recruiting players that just want to be seen by the world so they can go to another team.

The recruiting team needs to weed these players out. I'd rather take a play who is 10-15% worse than TDS but is more likely to stick it out with us even when we are losing and want to be the ones to make a change.

Hynes jumped the minute he got a mega deal infront of him & his contract was up.

At the time he was on minimum salary so the Storm to be fair were getting brilliant value - Sharks now though aren’t getting value for money.

 

[hank37w]

maybe Da Silva doesn’t get along with some of the new boys? They are probably great people but they sure do have big personalities lol

Maybe TDS just needs to get a personality and stop hanging around with scum like Lachlan Galvin, oh sorry my mistake, Gus said that he is a great kid despite never having met him. 🤣

 

[tigertye]

I think the club could be holding off releasing TDS because Api could be called up for origin. With game 3 in July, he might not get released this year. That can’t help with a June 30 deadline looming if we’re looking at a swap.

These young blokes are some impatient these days. TDS has a great opportunity to learn from one of the best with Api and I’m sure he’s got Robbie’s number too. Aaron Payne didn’t go too bad in the day either.

 

[TCL]

This is the part where either many are being confused or are attempting to confuse others on purpose.
TDS is the backup in 25. He knows this and has acknowledged it
TDS is the backup in 26, unless he proves his worth late in the season. He knows this and has acknowledged it.
TDS considers 27 to be the year he becomes our fulltime No.9. Now if we dont think he will be ready by then by all means re-sign Api as well as him.
However...this decision needs to be managed properly. The kid is making waves saying he is not happy that he will still be considered backup in 27. Quite clearly, other clubs are stroking his ego. Good management talks him into staying. Good management convinces him that his career is better served staying here and learning from Api. Good management also reassures him that he will be no.1 choice sometime in 27 as Api will be busted and likely finished by then - he will be our first choice 9 for the vast majority of his next contract.
If Tallyn is now saying he wants out early and doesnt even want to consider an extension, then I suggest we have not managed the situation properly. The numbers this year clearly outline that we are better than a 50% chance of winnng games with an Api/Tallyn combination. Marshals refusal to use him this past month has resulted in 4 close losses. That is poor management.

I would say the club is giving him as much love as they can. Good management offers him what they think is right and shows him a path, he then decides what he wants to do. Club would have probably done this and he isn’t happy with the plan. Hoping the club is looking to put funds towards players and positions we currently need.

this must have commenced before tds was benched playing out in the backgrond to Galvingate and only just getting airplay now.

Keeping in mind at this stage it is only potential, has shown some signs of readiness but also a few decent concerns.

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

Heres some where he talks about learning from Api and one day taking over when Api hangs up his boots. There probably plenty more, Ive seen him say this stuff when interviewed after games as well.

Deputy Da Silva proves the perfect foil for main man Api

While it was Api Koroisau who “iced” the win for Wests Tigers, coach Benji Marshall praised the game-changing impact of youngster Tallyn Da Silva in helping inspire the victory over the Dolphins.

www.nrl.com

Tallyn Da Silva eyeing consistency in Tigers 2025 campaign

"A lot of the things that he possesses you can't really teach."

www.zerotackle.com

Interestingly the podcast with Tallyn, Galvin, and Kit Laulilii has been removed from the YouTube channel.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I dont think he can play 80 effectively now.
He has done it 27 times over the past 3 seasons for 5 wins @ 19% success rate.
When he shares the role we have won 9 from 18 @ 50% success rate.

Exactly, which is why I wanted Api only playing a maximum of 60 minutes at the beginning of the season and preferably closer to 50. It has been a travesty watching Tallyn sitting on the bench until matches are lost, playing reserves and then wasted on the bench for 80 as we have gone from 5/4 to now be 5/9.

Thanks for the statistics, as they not only confirmed what I already knew by simply watching all of those matches, but even more emphatically stated that Benji is getting this wrong, so very wrong.