Tallyn Da Silva #270

innsaneink said:
Its a poor look for potential new recruits when they see much talked up juniors leaving
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Yes this is the part parents would be worried about , Richo and Benji can tell them anything on how they will look after their son but the proof looking outside in tells a different story , Galvin and TDS were both hyped up by many now they are gone and family saying great decision isn’t helping us , my idea would be to secure the next couple of young stars and go buy a comp like the roosters do , spend heaps on players of Quality and get us up the top , stop trying to use young guys who are just not ready , 3 year plan spend big on the nrl side full stop .
We do have a fair part of a team - API , Bulla , Luai , May Snr , Sam F , KPP coming , Turuva , Pole just , now we need to go and buy a nrl centre , Lock , prop , that would be 11 players , then you have Bird who I do rate he just needs to be given 14 roll now he sparks us and can play multiple positions , Skelton , Latu , Sione , young May fingers crossed , Seyfarth , Toa , Hunt also needed to be bought back this week and told smash them for the rest of the year or your free to go , just my dribble
 
426Tlgerland said:
Yes this is the part parents would be worried about , Richo and Benji can tell them anything on how they will look after their son but the proof looking outside in tells a different story , Galvin and TDS were both hyped up by many now they are gone and family saying great decision isn’t helping us , my idea would be to secure the next couple of young stars and go buy a comp like the roosters do , spend heaps on players of Quality and get us up the top , stop trying to use young guys who are just not ready , 3 year plan spend big on the nrl side full stop .
We do have a fair part of a team - API , Bulla , Luai , May Snr , Sam F , KPP coming , Turuva , Pole just , now we need to go and buy a nrl centre , Lock , prop , that would be 11 players , then you have Bird who I do rate he just needs to be given 14 roll now he sparks us and can play multiple positions , Skelton , Latu , Sione , young May fingers crossed , Seyfarth , Toa , Hunt also needed to be bought back this week and told smash them for the rest of the year or your free to go , just my dribble
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These kids have other teams after them too though ,,,.it’s a tough cycle to break .. they need to offer them overs or they will go to a better club …so the majority that don’t turn out to be NRL players you get left with paying overs, and the good ones try to force you to let them walk… they need to be tougher with keeping the good ones …
 
magpies forever said:
Wasnt there a clause in Galvin's release that he was not to disparage the club (WT)? I'd like to test that, or do things always flow the players way these days?
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How do you make this stand up in Court? Because he posted a couple of emoji’s? I think it was a dig personally. Not the end of the world, but it a dig nonetheless. But there is a significant amount of deniability if the club really felt slighted. Would be really petty tbh.
 
IronFist said:
Thats's because the club plays them in first grade as 18/19 year olds, clearly underdone but showing glimpses of potential. The boys themselves (and probably their hangers on) think they're now NRL stars and should be in NRL teams regularly or on better coin.

Makasini has been named in reserve grade this week, and the kid has hardly trained or played any rugby league in the past few months while GPS rugby has been on? Sounds like they're going to make the same mistakes with him and may debut him in NRL this season if the selection in NSW Cup is anything to go by.
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Hasn’t he just, or is on the verge of turning 18? I’d say the odds are good he plays one or two games.
 
GNR4LIFE said:
How do you make this stand up in Court? Because he posted a couple of emoji’s? I think it was a dig personally. Not the end of the world, but it a dig nonetheless. But there is a significant amount of deniability if the club really felt slighted. Would be really petty tbh.
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I wonder what it means, the wink. If I put my tin foil hat on I might think Canterbury and Parramatta can arrange some attractive TPA’s that we can’t.
 
IronFist said:
Thats's because the club plays them in first grade as 18/19 year olds, clearly underdone but showing glimpses of potential. The boys themselves (and probably their hangers on) think they're now NRL stars and should be in NRL teams regularly or on better coin.

Makasini has been named in reserve grade this week, and the kid has hardly trained or played any rugby league in the past few months while GPS rugby has been on? Sounds like they're going to make the same mistakes with him and may debut him in NRL this season if the selection in NSW Cup is anything to go by.
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Did you hear the review Benny Ellias gave TDS. Ranked him as one of the Top 6 Hookers in the game.
 
Needaname said:
Did you hear the review Benny Ellias gave TDS. Ranked him as one of the Top 6 Hookers in the game.
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Sad thing is , it’s easily achieved

All it takes is for commentators to gush and moan over a player every game and the narrative becomes that … so many players overrated because of charisma and the media and journos blow over them , but it’s the other players in the team that are better and don’t get accolades
 
Rugba said:
Sad thing is , it’s easily achieved

All it takes is for commentators to gush and moan over a player every game and the narrative becomes that … so many players overrated because of charisma and the media and journos blow over them , but it’s the other players in the team that are better and don’t get accolades
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Do you see him starting over Smith? I’m not sure. I don’t even see Lussick being replaced until the end of the season.
 
jirskyr said:
Lots of clubs are releasing players and unfortunately it's concentrated in many of the poorer-performing clubs. Look at Dragons, Warriors or Eels for similar runs of releases. Many of them not specifically in favour of the incumbent club.

Richo has tonnes of experience, I don't suspect he's suddenly forgotten how to manage a salary cap or how to set expectations. In fact, if anything I think the Richo era has been more successful about signing the "right type" of player.

Galvin and TDS were not signings, they were already here when Richo arrived. They want to play FG, hopefully for successful clubs - very obvious motivation that most players have. Klem, Bateman etc were not hired by Benji or Richo.

We have released more bad players than good since Richo arrived. Even if you don't agree with his decisions case-by-case I have some confidence he knows what he's doing. We don't yet know 100% what the Galvin and TDS money will be used for in future, but KPP has been head hunted and they will need to keep funds aside in case Taylan May gets a full contract.

That's my position. Not necessarily pro-club but I also consider how difficult it is to build a roster as one of the worst teams in the comp.

Because unfortunately the obvious answer to all this is to just win lots of football matches. Winning attracts talent and boosts player retention. But also obviously it's circular, and if you aren't winning your roster management is more difficult.
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Richo's experience is irrelevant, the results here is all that matters as he's been here for 18 months.

The "right type"- funny you mention that as apparently Galvin and Stefano weren't the right type of players, but we offered them close to a million dollars each.

Klemmer was hired by Benji/ Sheens when Kimmorley was coach, not Madge, I'm pretty sure.

TDS was also re-signed under Richo/ Benji regime. Then, let go. Was he not the right type of player then, or did he turn into the wrong type of player?

The whole winning attracts talent is true, and let's be honest that we aren't a winning club. Benji obviously has no experience turning a losing club into a winning one and Richo's last real struggling club was in 2010s before Madge went to Souths. There has to be someone else who's in-charge. Who's our head of football? Don't most clubs have one? The CEO can't be doing everything. If there is one, why are we not hearing from them?

Everyone knows it's difficult to build a roster, but you can't just look at things case by case. There is a clear pattern here that players do not perform well here, players are unhappy here and that players when given the opportunity want to get out of here. You can argue against that, but clearly players do not achieve their goals here, whether it be development, winning, social support, whatever it is, we aren't giving them the right tools to succeed here.

Either we are buying and re-signing the wrong type of players, or we are buying players whose goals don't align to ours. You speak to how Storm used to sign players (see how they talk to the support staff), how the Bulldogs signed players currently (ability to play wherever team requires them), Penrith signed players (fitness was paramount). What is our stratefy? Seems like Benji values skill over anything else, a recipe for disaster IMO.

There is absolutely no point keeping the TDS or Galvin money aside and buying a shiny new player when you have fringe players like Seyfarth, Hunt, Bird, Sukkar, Douehi, To'a etc not performing to the desired levels. The lower grades aren't performing well either. Are the coaches performing well there? Who's assisting the coaches? Penrith had a certain style that was coached from Jersey Flegg to NRL level.

Obviously, we aren't going to get any of these answers. But Richo's quotes, the way we have signed and let players go makes me very confident that there isn't actual future planning going on about the things I've mentioned.
 
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