Taylor - BSB Interview...16/6...

[Eddie]

Its nothing to do with structure half the time.

With Moses its his lack of frame.

With Brooks its poor technique.

 

[tig_prmz]

You get stability from winning and winning often. Its not some holy principal some clubs have and other clubs dont.

Bellemy came straight into Melbourne and never missed a finals.

cheaters/supercoach
Hasler took the Dogs to a GF in Year 1 .
supercoach
Robinson a Premeirship in Year 1.
$$$/potential supercoach
Mcguire finals year 1 and then a premiership
$$$
Bennett GF first year back at Brisbane.
supercoach/$$$
Thats why these guys are the best. They go in and win early and win often.

Sheens earnt a decade because he won a premiership early and had 3 premierships before even arriving. Some coaches have money in th ebank if you know what I mean. Of course the Roosters are re-signing Robinson because he is proven, 3 straight minor premierships and a premiership.

The only guy who can stop the speculation is JT, by winning football games. If he finish the year around the 8 I think he deserves the final year of his contract.

cleary took 3 years from memory to get penrith to top 4 even with the facility/recruitment drive and the backing of the great phil gould.

anthony griffin managed to make the great broncos miss finals for the first time in a billions years.

elliott, i love listening to him on radio but he was horrible at warriors.

who else is there? nathan brown who currently has the team on one win so far?

ricky stuart/stuart flanagan? meh i dont like them

kevvie walters?

toovery? maybe.

is JT the best or a supercoach? probably not but he's the best option we have right now. hopefully, it doesnt eventuate but unless we come in the bottom 2 or 3 again this year, i would take cleary.

 

[stevetiger]

We need some sort of stability , just to prove we aren't the laughing stock yet again

These comments kill me. We are not a laughing stock at all.

Not now with Taylor sorting things out….but we were for a very long time...once again your hate toward Taylor clouds your judgement,he at least is starting to get this team to do what they hadn't done before on a consistent level...DEFEND and grind out a game...hence the recent wins...

Just to clear this up. I have no hate towards Taylor at all. There is no clouding of my judgement. We've been winning because we have been adding some attack to our game. It's that simple.

You are entitled to your opinion but it's an opinion that I don't believe at all.

 

[stevetiger]

Its nothing to do with structure half the time.

With Moses its his lack of frame.

With Brooks its poor technique.

The argument that it's all about structures and all this other palava just seems to be BS to me.

 

[ricksen]

TrueTiger I am really not sure if that is the case.

We are currently the 15th best defence in the league. That is pretty bad.

In our last 6 games we have all still conceeded 132 points at an average of 23 a game.

And two games ago we conceded 32 against a Chooks side with 3 wins all year.

Ok, we have won 4 from our past 6 and ultimately if we are winning I am happy. However for every step forward we seem to take another step back and its usually just around the corner.

This season could still go either way and our form for mine is hard to read which is not really what you want from a side.

This about sums me up - long way to go, plenty of time for the season to turn around or completely go down the drain.
We've had some improvements over the last month, juxtaposed with some complete garbage.
We absolutely should be in our around the 8 come the end of the season, given the competition in general is fairly ordinary this season IMO (e.g. the Dragons are currently 8th).
The club openly declared finals was a pass mark in 2015\. If we go through both 2015 and 16 without really challenging for the 8 and don't make any major changes, it sends a terrible message to the fanbase.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I look at it like this. We were already dead and buried this time last yr. Atm we're two points out of the 8, so already that's an improvement. The longer we stay in contention the higher we're bound to finish.

And so far this yr, it's about on par for where we have been on the ladder the majority of seasons over the last 16 yrs, so it's not really any worse if you judge the team on this yr and view last yr as an anomaly. But it's because of last yr that what's been achieved this yr so far has been undervalued and not deemed good enough. That and the fact that there is a very vocal part of the anti JT brigade who still hold a grudge over the Farah saga and will never give credit to JT, not even if he won us a premiership. Most of these come from Facebook.

 

[stevetiger]

I look at it like this. We were already dead and buried this time last yr. Atm we're two points out of the 8, so already that's an improvement. The longer we stay in contention the higher we're bound to finish.

And so far this yr, it's about on par for where we have been on the ladder the majority of seasons over the last 16 yrs, so it's not really any worse if you judge the team on this yr and view last yr as an anomaly. But it's because of last yr that what's been achieved this yr so far has been undervalued and not deemed good enough. That and the fact that there is a very vocal part of the anti JT brigade who still hold a grudge over the Farah saga and will never give credit to JT, not even if he won us a premiership. Most of these come from Facebook.

I think the pro-JT brigade on here though are basically delusional in that they blame anyone and anything for poor performances from JT. They have made him the teflon man. I look at myself who gets put into the anti-JT brigade and I think I have a pretty fair assessment of JT and Robbie.

I do think that last year was the worst coaching I have ever seen within this club and it has impacted how I assess JT but I think that is fair enough. I also think it's fair enough to judge JT harshly on how he handled Robbie. I definitely have no grudge towards JT though.

I just think that the excuses for JT have to be over. So if he won a premiership he would definitely get my support. My expectations are in fact a lot lower than that. He would get my support with much lower benchmarks.

 

[jadtiger]

I look at it like this. We were already dead and buried this time last yr. Atm we're two points out of the 8, so already that's an improvement. The longer we stay in contention the higher we're bound to finish.

And so far this yr, it's about on par for where we have been on the ladder the majority of seasons over the last 16 yrs, so it's not really any worse if you judge the team on this yr and view last yr as an anomaly. But it's because of last yr that what's been achieved this yr so far has been undervalued and not deemed good enough. That and the fact that there is a very vocal part of the anti JT brigade who still hold a grudge over the Farah saga and will never give credit to JT, not even if he won us a premiership. Most of these come from Facebook.

I think the pro-JT brigade on here though are basically delusional in that they blame anyone and anything for poor performances from JT. They have made him the teflon man. I look at myself who gets put into the anti-JT brigade and I think I have a pretty fair assessment of JT and Robbie.

I do think that last year was the worst coaching I have ever seen within this club and it has impacted how I assess JT but I think that is fair enough. I also think it's fair enough to judge JT harshly on how he handled Robbie. I definitely have no grudge towards JT though.

I just think that the excuses for JT have to be over. So if he won a premiership he would definitely get my support. My expectations are in fact a lot lower than that. He would get my support with much lower benchmarks.

Well said stevetiger unfortunately for some(not you GNR4life) taylor will always have their support and nothing is his fault.Accountability has to be paramount at our club no excuses accepted anymore

 

[hammertime]

I think a lot of people forget about the cap problem that JT inherited. You can't win a comp if you can only buy juniors and state cup players.

He's done some hard yards to fix a terrible mess and managed to win some games in the process.

 

[TrueTiger]

I look at it like this. We were already dead and buried this time last yr. Atm we're two points out of the 8, so already that's an improvement. The longer we stay in contention the higher we're bound to finish.

And so far this yr, it's about on par for where we have been on the ladder the majority of seasons over the last 16 yrs, so it's not really any worse if you judge the team on this yr and view last yr as an anomaly. But it's because of last yr that what's been achieved this yr so far has been undervalued and not deemed good enough. That and the fact that there is a very vocal part of the anti JT brigade who still hold a grudge over the Farah saga and will never give credit to JT, not even if he won us a premiership. Most of these come from Facebook.

I think the pro-JT brigade on here though are basically delusional in that they blame anyone and anything for poor performances from JT. They have made him the teflon man. I look at myself who gets put into the anti-JT brigade and I think I have a pretty fair assessment of JT and Robbie.

I do think that last year was the worst coaching I have ever seen within this club and it has impacted how I assess JT but I think that is fair enough. I also think it's fair enough to judge JT harshly on how he handled Robbie. I definitely have no grudge towards JT though.

I just think that the excuses for JT have to be over. So if he won a premiership he would definitely get my support. My expectations are in fact a lot lower than that. He would get my support with much lower benchmarks.

Well said stevetiger unfortunately for some(not you GNR4life) taylor will always have their support and nothing is his fault.Accountability has to be paramount at our club no excuses accepted anymore

Yes jadtiger I agree that accountability is paramount to this club,however my support for Taylor lays within him completing his tenure and is given the opportunity to complete his plans he outlined to the board at the start of his employment here…if he has not fulfilled his side of the bargain by the end of the tenure,then sure show him the door and don't let it hit him on the arse on the way out...but he must be given that chance first...also some of our players need to be held accountable for poor performance as well,some receive huge amounts of money and should be expected to perform week in and week out at a high level,or they should be shown where the State cup team play at and they will become part of that team...it should all be relevant to success,both parties should be accountable in striving for that success...

 

[Fade_To_Black]

You get stability from winning and winning often. Its not some holy principal some clubs have and other clubs dont.

Bellemy came straight into Melbourne and never missed a finals.

Hasler took the Dogs to a GF in Year 1 .

Robinson a Premeirship in Year 1.

Mcguire finals year 1 and then a premiership

Bennett GF first year back at Brisbane.

Thats why these guys are the best. They go in and win early and win often.

Sheens earnt a decade because he won a premiership early and had 3 premierships before even arriving. Some coaches have money in th ebank if you know what I mean. Of course the Roosters are re-signing Robinson because he is proven, 3 straight minor premierships and a premiership.

The only guy who can stop the speculation is JT, by winning football games. If he finish the year around the 8 I think he deserves the final year of his contract.

The absolute bottom line for me is show me a coach who takes a dud substandard roster and wins premierships with those resources.
Pretty easy for Bennett, Hasler, Bellamy, Maguire and Robinson to look like worldbeaters coaches with the players they have had at their disposal. Maguire and Robinson are looking far from great coaches at the moment.
Looking back on coaches who have won a premiership in the last 30 years or so (even longer TBH)… it is fair to say the coach that won a premiership with the least star-studded roster was Sheens in '05\. Maybe for that feat alone he should be regarded as a supercoach ala Unca Wayne.
Not many if any coaches have great success with average players. It's all about the cattle you have.

 

[happy_tiger]

I look at it like this. We were already dead and buried this time last yr. Atm we're two points out of the 8, so already that's an improvement. The longer we stay in contention the higher we're bound to finish.

And so far this yr, it's about on par for where we have been on the ladder the majority of seasons over the last 16 yrs, so it's not really any worse if you judge the team on this yr and view last yr as an anomaly. But it's because of last yr that what's been achieved this yr so far has been undervalued and not deemed good enough. That and the fact that there is a very vocal part of the anti JT brigade who still hold a grudge over the Farah saga and will never give credit to JT, not even if he won us a premiership. Most of these come from Facebook.

I think the pro-JT brigade on here though are basically delusional in that they blame anyone and anything for poor performances from JT. They have made him the teflon man. I look at myself who gets put into the anti-JT brigade and I think I have a pretty fair assessment of JT and Robbie.

I do think that last year was the worst coaching I have ever seen within this club and it has impacted how I assess JT but I think that is fair enough. I also think it's fair enough to judge JT harshly on how he handled Robbie. I definitely have no grudge towards JT though.

I just think that the excuses for JT have to be over. So if he won a premiership he would definitely get my support. My expectations are in fact a lot lower than that. He would get my support with much lower benchmarks.

Well said stevetiger unfortunately for some(not you GNR4life) taylor will always have their support and nothing is his fault.Accountability has to be paramount at our club no excuses accepted anymore

Taylor has my support , so did Potter ,Sheens ,Lamb ,Pearce

Taylor has a plan le's let him see it out

Things have improved , probably more than most initially predicted

And again seeing I've asked the question 5-6 times to the people who want him gone , he will replace him realistically within our price frame who is so much better than Taylor is ??

I'm guessing yet again I won't get an answer …...

Don't you love it , all these people with all these grandiose plans but can't even answer the first most important question :roll

 

[stevetiger]

And again seeing I've asked the question 5-6 times to the people who want him gone , he will replace him realistically within our price frame who is so much better than Taylor is ??

I'm positive I've answered this but I'll answer it again. The club should go to the market and see what coaches are available. I am sure that there will be options available and we should choose from the best on the market.

It would be exactly the same as per any job application where a role is being filled. I am 100% confident that we would be able to drum up an option that is just as good (if not better) as JT.

I want to clarify a point though. I don't want him gone. I want the team to perform and if that means we have to move on an underperforming coach that is a step in the right direction.

 

[happy_tiger]

And again seeing I've asked the question 5-6 times to the people who want him gone , he will replace him realistically within our price frame who is so much better than Taylor is ??

I'm positive I've answered this but I'll answer it again. The club should go to the market and see what coaches are available. I am sure that there will be options available and we should choose from the best on the market.

It would be exactly the same as per any job application where a role is being filled. I am 100% confident that we would be able to drum up an option that is just as good (if not better) as JT.

I want to clarify a point though. I don't want him gone. I want the team to perform and if that means we have to move on an underperforming coach that is a step in the right direction.

Still waiting for a name Steve

Can't be that hard

If I want someone gone I try and come up with a viable argument and viable candidate in a viable price range that suits the team and its current methods

That on both accounts does seem to be beyond you

 

[NT_Tiger]

That wouldn't be Steve Toovey would it?

 

[stevetiger]

The absolute bottom line for me is show me a coach who takes a dud substandard roster and wins premierships with those resources.
Pretty easy for Bennett, Hasler, Bellamy, Maguire and Robinson to look like worldbeaters coaches with the players they have had at their disposal. Maguire and Robinson are looking far from great coaches at the moment.
Looking back on coaches who have won a premiership in the last 30 years or so (even longer TBH)… it is fair to say the coach that won a premiership with the least star-studded roster was Sheens in '05\. Maybe for that feat alone he should be regarded as a supercoach ala Unca Wayne.
Not many if any coaches have great success with average players. It's all about the cattle you have.

I completely agree with these comments. Sheens in 05 was really smart in that he played a style of footy that suited the players we had and came up with lots of tweaks to win games. That is how I try to objectively judge a coach. He gets the team to perform to it's potential and even gives them some structures that helps them win games.

 

[stevetiger]

That wouldn't be Steve Toovey would it?

I think I'd do a great job for the right price.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I wonder how much affect Pascoe's words had after the Raiders game when he gave his full support to JT. At the time I thought that it was a message to the players, telling them they can dog it all they want, they won't throw another coach under the bus. Since then we've won 4 games. Maybe the players getting that message at long last is one of the reasons why we've turned it around since then.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

And again seeing I've asked the question 5-6 times to the people who want him gone , he will replace him realistically within our price frame who is so much better than Taylor is ??

I'm positive I've answered this but I'll answer it again. The club should go to the market and see what coaches are available. I am sure that there will be options available and we should choose from the best on the market.

It would be exactly the same as per any job application where a role is being filled. I am 100% confident that we would be able to drum up an option that is just as good (if not better) as JT.

I want to clarify a point though. I don't want him gone. I want the team to perform and if that means we have to move on an underperforming coach that is a step in the right direction.

Still waiting for a name Steve

Can't be that hard

If I want someone gone I try and come up with a viable argument and viable candidate in a viable price range that suits the team and its current methods

That on both accounts does seem to be beyond you

Nah, just sack JT and then see who is the best on offer. Barrett might be looking for a job by years' end.

Or we could bring the termite back?

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

I completely agree with these comments. Sheens in 05 was really smart in that he played a style of footy that suited the players we had and came up with lots of tweaks to win games. That is how I try to objectively judge a coach. He gets the team to perform to it's potential and even gives them some structures that helps them win games.

The interpretation of ruck penalties also played a big role in 2005\. It was quickly changed back to suit the teams with bigger forward packs the year after….