Taylor Faces the Media

He has made a decision and he can live or die by it. He is coach his call. Interestingly he talked about the last seven weeks.

With Farah average 32 for Against 20
Without Farah 19.8 For 24.6 against clearly Farah is stifling attack based on those numbers
 
@Geo. said:
@Eddie said:
@stevetiger said:
@rialto said:
Lot of posters saying why not just let Robbie play this year and let him go for the 2017 season. IMO there is NO way Robbie will leave Next season if he plays out 2016\. He will just continue doing what he has always done and that is what is best for Robbie. HIS MOTTO IS ROBBIE GETS WHAT ROBBIE WANTS. REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS BEST FOR THE TEAM. I HOPE THE FANS ARE GOING TO BE VERY HAPPY WITH FARAH STILL HERE IN 2017 AND ELIJAH TAYLOR HEADING OUT THE DOOR. I APPLAUD OUR COACH WHO IS MAKING THE REALLY TOUGH DECISIONS FOR THE FUTURE OF WEST TIGERS !!!!!

So this is all about getting rid of Robbie ! At least you are honest about it.

I think it shows a lack of integrity from the coach but he has been like that since he got the role. That is his style.

I agree.

This is all about getting rid of Robbie.

Its not all about picking the best 17 thats just spin for mine.

Its classless the way it has been done but like you said its what I have come to expect from our club and Taylor. The NRL is a tough business these days and loyalty is not a 2 way street. Farah really should have seen the writing on the wall last year and demanded a move by hook or by crook. I think he tried, but nothing eventuated. to leave the club you have played ofr all your life when your on 900 K no one can blame him for staying put.

No one can convince me we are a better team with Halatau, or a Joel Edwards type back up hooker.

Robbie is in our best 17 in my opinion and didn't deserve to get dropped. He played average earlier in the season but he has been better coming off the bench.

Tay went on and on the last seven games, when Farah had played well and won in his last 2.

Its a claculated move by Taylor on 2 fronts

* we have the Dragons this week and we should beat them who ever we put on the field (so a win and he looks like a genius to the dim wits in the press)

* putting Farah in reserves surely makes him think about moving on for next year and we can get the money to re sign ET.

It was a football decision by Taylor to dump Farah ..no doubt..

If it is a move to force him from the Club it's pretty naive and quire humorous to think it would be Taylor's decision alone…

It was a football decision to dump Farah for a specialized backrower in Halatau…...but at least his backed it up with Lovett as back up to Halatau of the bench . :laughing:

Masterstroke from Jason Taylor.
 
@The Tooth said:
I think the teams cohesion in attack in recent weeks has less to do with Robbie not playing and more to do with Elijah Taylor joining our squad. You can also throw in the return of Tedesco from his injury layoff.

Still can't understand how he thinks Robbie has such a detrimental effect on the team, yet Naqiama's defence isn't an issue.

It's got nothing to do with form or not listening to the coach. It's all about the $money$ $money$
 
@stevetiger said:
I just watched this. JT has improved in relation to handling the media considerably.

Still I think that this is all a powerplay and it has nothing to do with winning games.

Bingo.. Spot on Steve.
 
@foreveratiger said:
@Geo. said:
@Eddie said:
@stevetiger said:
So this is all about getting rid of Robbie ! At least you are honest about it.

I think it shows a lack of integrity from the coach but he has been like that since he got the role. That is his style.

I agree.

This is all about getting rid of Robbie.

Its not all about picking the best 17 thats just spin for mine.

Its classless the way it has been done but like you said its what I have come to expect from our club and Taylor. The NRL is a tough business these days and loyalty is not a 2 way street. Farah really should have seen the writing on the wall last year and demanded a move by hook or by crook. I think he tried, but nothing eventuated. to leave the club you have played ofr all your life when your on 900 K no one can blame him for staying put.

No one can convince me we are a better team with Halatau, or a Joel Edwards type back up hooker.

Robbie is in our best 17 in my opinion and didn't deserve to get dropped. He played average earlier in the season but he has been better coming off the bench.

Tay went on and on the last seven games, when Farah had played well and won in his last 2.

Its a claculated move by Taylor on 2 fronts

* we have the Dragons this week and we should beat them who ever we put on the field (so a win and he looks like a genius to the dim wits in the press)

* putting Farah in reserves surely makes him think about moving on for next year and we can get the money to re sign ET.

It was a football decision by Taylor to dump Farah ..no doubt..

If it is a move to force him from the Club it's pretty naive and quire humorous to think it would be Taylor's decision alone…

It was a football decision to dump Farah for a specialized backrower in Halatau…...but at least his backed it up with Lovett as back up to Halatau of the bench . :laughing:

Masterstroke from Jason Taylor.

And when we beat saints, and surely we will, the blind faith mob will be crying out what a great move from Taylor, when in reality we should be able to comfortably win our next 2 games with Milone playing at hooker.
 
@foreveratiger said:
@Geo. said:
@Eddie said:
@stevetiger said:
So this is all about getting rid of Robbie ! At least you are honest about it.

I think it shows a lack of integrity from the coach but he has been like that since he got the role. That is his style.

I agree.

This is all about getting rid of Robbie.

Its not all about picking the best 17 thats just spin for mine.

Its classless the way it has been done but like you said its what I have come to expect from our club and Taylor. The NRL is a tough business these days and loyalty is not a 2 way street. Farah really should have seen the writing on the wall last year and demanded a move by hook or by crook. I think he tried, but nothing eventuated. to leave the club you have played ofr all your life when your on 900 K no one can blame him for staying put.

No one can convince me we are a better team with Halatau, or a Joel Edwards type back up hooker.

Robbie is in our best 17 in my opinion and didn't deserve to get dropped. He played average earlier in the season but he has been better coming off the bench.

Tay went on and on the last seven games, when Farah had played well and won in his last 2.

Its a claculated move by Taylor on 2 fronts

* we have the Dragons this week and we should beat them who ever we put on the field (so a win and he looks like a genius to the dim wits in the press)

* putting Farah in reserves surely makes him think about moving on for next year and we can get the money to re sign ET.

It was a football decision by Taylor to dump Farah ..no doubt..

If it is a move to force him from the Club it's pretty naive and quire humorous to think it would be Taylor's decision alone…

It was a football decision to dump Farah for a specialized backrower in Halatau…...but at least his backed it up with Lovett as back up to Halatau of the bench . :laughing:

Masterstroke from Jason Taylor.

Cherrington will come into the 17…
 
@851 said:
And when we beat saints, and surely we will, the blind faith mob will be crying out what a great move from Taylor, when in reality we should be able to comfortably win our next 2 games with Milone playing at hooker.

If we beat saints, i don't think any one is going to say we won because Farah was dumped.
I can guess the reaction if we lose though.
 
@gallagher said:
@851 said:
And when we beat saints, and surely we will, the blind faith mob will be crying out what a great move from Taylor, when in reality we should be able to comfortably win our next 2 games with Milone playing at hooker.

If we beat saints, i don't think any one is going to say we won because Farah was dumped.
I can guess the reaction if we lose though.

Can you ?
 
Wests Tigers are right to back coach Jason Taylor over his decision to dump Robbie Farah

PAUL CRAWLEY, The Daily Telegraph
July 21, 2016 5:53pm

I DON’T know if Jason Taylor is right to think the Wests Tigers are a better team without Robbie Farah.

What I do know is the head coach of any professional sporting organisation deserves the right to pick the team.

And the Wests Tigers, in particular chief executive Justin Pascoe, should be commended for showing the strength to give Taylor the power to do that.

Whether or not Taylor is right will be determined over the course of the rest of the season. Ultimately, that will decide if Taylor keeps his job next year.

What can’t be argued is that this sort of leadership has been a long time coming at the Tigers.
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Farah hasn’t been happy with his treatment — but it’s Taylor job to make the tough calls. People say Taylor’s decision to dump a club legend like Farah could have been handled better. How exactly I’m not so sure.

Would it have been any less controversial if Taylor sacked Farah last year? Would it have been any less divisive if Taylor had let it drag on for another couple of months until the season was finished, even if it ended up costing the Tigers a place in the finals?

Or would it have been better still if the old Wests Tigers board and administration had backed Mick Potter way back in 2013?

The reality is if the Tigers had listened to their last coach this wouldn’t even be a debate.

Former Wests Tigers coach Mick Potter also struggled with the Farah problem.
I remember speaking to Potter last year, just days after the story broke that Taylor had threatened to play Farah in reserve grade if he didn’t leave the club.

Potter is about as decent a man as you will find in rugby league. Yet when he coached the Tigers he was the odd man out. Potter said he advised the Wests Tigers board back in 2013 not to sign Farah to a hugely inflated back-ended four-year contract that still has more than a year to run on it.

Potter claimed the board ignored his advice, like they were playing “Fantasy League with other people’s money”.

It wasn’t that Potter didn’t rate Farah as a player, but “if he was still going well at the end of the two years, you could have kept him on”, Potter argued.

“Age becomes no barrier. But you don’t sign a 30-year-old for four years, I don’t think.”

But because Potter spoke up, it eventually cost him his job. Now it has been left to Taylor and Pascoe to mop up the mess.

Like Pascoe said this week, Taylor will live and die by the results. But he has to be at least given the chance to make the decisions he feels necessary.

Plenty of coaches over the years have made similar tough calls.

I remember the late Graham Murray dropped Noel Goldthorpe after the then Hunter Mariners half returned from playing in the Super League Tri-Series in the late 1990s to usher in a young Brett Kimmorley.

Wayne Bennett sacked Wally Lewis in the formative years at the Broncos.

A couple of years ago Ricky Stuart made the unpopular decision to let club legend Terry Campese go at Canberra.

Des Hasler has made plenty of tough decisions over the years. Michael Ennis to Cronulla for starters.

Last year Hasler was playing Josh Reynolds off the bench, before letting then NSW halfback Trent Hodkinson go to Newcastle. It never created the same tension at the Bulldogs because everyone knew Hasler was in charge.

Like Bennett had power in Brisbane, Stuart in Canberra.

Right now Tigers fans are divided because they have been let down by weak administration for too long. Tough decisions aren’t always the most popular.

The Daily Telegraph ran an online poll asking if Farah should have been dropped? Of more than 6000 votes, 48 per cent backed Taylor while 52 per cent were with Farah.

That split highlighted the division among the fans. It’s also rather ironic that almost to the week two years ago the Tigers were preparing to play St George Illawarra on another Sunday in July, The Sunday Telegraph broke the story Potter was about to be sacked.

You might remember the Tigers called a snap board meeting to be held after the game against the Dragons, that was again crucial to the team’s top eight hopes.

That day we ran another online poll asking the question if Potter should be sacked?

Of more than 5500 votes, a massive 86 per cent voted in favour of Potter keeping his job.

That public support ended up saving Potter temporarily, though he was still gone at the end of the year.

Wests Tigers playing won’t be questioning who’s in charge now.
Right now Taylor doesn’t have the same support from the fans. But, most importantly, he has the backing of his bosses.

As Taylor pointed out, his belief is that young guns Luke Brooks, Mitchell Moses and James Tedesco play better without Farah.

“We have got too many cooks spoiling the broth,” Taylor said. “That is the perfect analogy of what we are talking about.

“And it is purely based on that.

“Robbie Farah is the NSW State of Origin hooker. He is a Wests Tigers great. He is a great player.

“But it is just not working for us at the moment in regards to the cohesion of our team.”

And as Pascoe pointed out this week, regardless of what we all think, Taylor’s view should carry the most weight.

After all, he is the coach.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/opinion/wests-tigers-are-right-to-back-coach-jason-taylor-over-his-decision-to-dump-robbie-farah/news-story/3ad83d2a3ea62247ab2bc1598ddb01cf
 
skip the story - the fact of the matter is the last sentence of the story - , save your eyes!!!

Geo - you should of told them that. Tongue in cheek.
 
@Geo. said:
Wests Tigers are right to back coach Jason Taylor over his decision to dump Robbie Farah

PAUL CRAWLEY, The Daily Telegraph
July 21, 2016 5:53pm

I DON’T know if Jason Taylor is right to think the Wests Tigers are a better team without Robbie Farah.

What I do know is the head coach of any professional sporting organisation deserves the right to pick the team.

And the Wests Tigers, in particular chief executive Justin Pascoe, should be commended for showing the strength to give Taylor the power to do that.

Whether or not Taylor is right will be determined over the course of the rest of the season. Ultimately, that will decide if Taylor keeps his job next year.

What can’t be argued is that this sort of leadership has been a long time coming at the Tigers.
\
\
Farah hasn’t been happy with his treatment — but it’s Taylor job to make the tough calls. People say Taylor’s decision to dump a club legend like Farah could have been handled better. How exactly I’m not so sure.

Would it have been any less controversial if Taylor sacked Farah last year? Would it have been any less divisive if Taylor had let it drag on for another couple of months until the season was finished, even if it ended up costing the Tigers a place in the finals?

Or would it have been better still if the old Wests Tigers board and administration had backed Mick Potter way back in 2013?

The reality is if the Tigers had listened to their last coach this wouldn’t even be a debate.

Former Wests Tigers coach Mick Potter also struggled with the Farah problem.
I remember speaking to Potter last year, just days after the story broke that Taylor had threatened to play Farah in reserve grade if he didn’t leave the club.

Potter is about as decent a man as you will find in rugby league. Yet when he coached the Tigers he was the odd man out. Potter said he advised the Wests Tigers board back in 2013 not to sign Farah to a hugely inflated back-ended four-year contract that still has more than a year to run on it.

Potter claimed the board ignored his advice, like they were playing “Fantasy League with other people’s money”.

It wasn’t that Potter didn’t rate Farah as a player, but “if he was still going well at the end of the two years, you could have kept him on”, Potter argued.

“Age becomes no barrier. But you don’t sign a 30-year-old for four years, I don’t think.”

But because Potter spoke up, it eventually cost him his job. Now it has been left to Taylor and Pascoe to mop up the mess.

Like Pascoe said this week, Taylor will live and die by the results. But he has to be at least given the chance to make the decisions he feels necessary.

Plenty of coaches over the years have made similar tough calls.

I remember the late Graham Murray dropped Noel Goldthorpe after the then Hunter Mariners half returned from playing in the Super League Tri-Series in the late 1990s to usher in a young Brett Kimmorley.

Wayne Bennett sacked Wally Lewis in the formative years at the Broncos.

A couple of years ago Ricky Stuart made the unpopular decision to let club legend Terry Campese go at Canberra.

Des Hasler has made plenty of tough decisions over the years. Michael Ennis to Cronulla for starters.

Last year Hasler was playing Josh Reynolds off the bench, before letting then NSW halfback Trent Hodkinson go to Newcastle. It never created the same tension at the Bulldogs because everyone knew Hasler was in charge.

Like Bennett had power in Brisbane, Stuart in Canberra.

Right now Tigers fans are divided because they have been let down by weak administration for too long. Tough decisions aren’t always the most popular.

The Daily Telegraph ran an online poll asking if Farah should have been dropped? Of more than 6000 votes, 48 per cent backed Taylor while 52 per cent were with Farah.

That split highlighted the division among the fans. It’s also rather ironic that almost to the week two years ago the Tigers were preparing to play St George Illawarra on another Sunday in July, The Sunday Telegraph broke the story Potter was about to be sacked.

You might remember the Tigers called a snap board meeting to be held after the game against the Dragons, that was again crucial to the team’s top eight hopes.

That day we ran another online poll asking the question if Potter should be sacked?

Of more than 5500 votes, a massive 86 per cent voted in favour of Potter keeping his job.

That public support ended up saving Potter temporarily, though he was still gone at the end of the year.

Wests Tigers playing won’t be questioning who’s in charge now.
Right now Taylor doesn’t have the same support from the fans. But, most importantly, he has the backing of his bosses.

As Taylor pointed out, his belief is that young guns Luke Brooks, Mitchell Moses and James Tedesco play better without Farah.

“We have got too many cooks spoiling the broth,” Taylor said. “That is the perfect analogy of what we are talking about.

“And it is purely based on that.

“Robbie Farah is the NSW State of Origin hooker. He is a Wests Tigers great. He is a great player.

“But it is just not working for us at the moment in regards to the cohesion of our team.”

And as Pascoe pointed out this week, regardless of what we all think, Taylor’s view should carry the most weight.

After all, he is the coach.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/opinion/wests-tigers-are-right-to-back-coach-jason-taylor-over-his-decision-to-dump-robbie-farah/news-story/3ad83d2a3ea62247ab2bc1598ddb01cf

Pascoe is so full of it :bash , why when he was appointed last October/November last year as CEO why didn't he allow Jason Taylor to go through with his threat then and just play Robbie in Reserve Grade like Jason wanted to Originally ?
He came on the scene and played peace maker with the Circus that was going on and Wallah Jason Taylor comes out to the media later on in Pre Season and says " Robbie has done everything that was asked and will be our hooker come Round 1 "
Wow either Jason Taylor is as Dopey as they come or suffers from some sort of Confusion Syndrome , his gone from wanting him in Reserves…..to wanting him in 1st Grade......to now Reserve Grade :unamused: .

This is a tactic to Oust him it's not rocket science.
 
Geo…..
if Jason Taylor brings in Cherrington it would be a stupid decision in the sense that he hasn't even given him enough game time at NRL level to build his confidence when he has used him.
Yeah his a specialized hooker but when he has been given a chance ? it seems Jason Taylor hasn't got the confidence to keep out on the field for long .
Maybe his been playing out of his skin in Reserve Grade getting MOM

Cherrington game time this year :

Round 1 he gave him 35 Minutes vs the Warriors
Round 2 he gave him 43 Minutes vs Manly
Round 3 he gave him 27 Minutes vs the Titans
Round 4 he gave him 8 Minutes vs the EEls
Round 5 he gave him 15 Minutes vs the Sharks
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Total : 128 Minutes from a possible 400 Minutes

Everyone is entitled to there opinion on this saga but please don't even try to convince me that his not in the Top 17 players leading into our clash against the Dragons , if some of you want to believe that was the case ? your Prerogative.

I don't care about any of the 2 if i'm being honest , i have never rated Jason Taylor as a 1st Grade Coach.....he was nothing but a Budgeted signing that was looking for an NRL head Coaching Job after being 5 years unwanted by any NRL Club , i hardly blame him for wanting such a privileged Job .

The Club failed miserably in not backing up Jason Taylor last year in the form of
(a) having the funds to pay out Farah if it got messy ( which it did )
(b) not allowing Jason Taylor to go with his threat of Reserve Grade Footy for Farah

I Originally went into to bat for Robbie last year when the saga unfolded cause i didn't agree how the Club handled the whole situation in bringing our Club to the mess it did....they should of allowed the threat to be carried out cause at the time we were led to believe that the Coach had full control of all football matters . THAT WAS A LIE PASCOE if that was the case Farah would of started the year in Reserve Grade as Taylor originally wanted.
Robbie is no Saint and Ayoub is as crook as they come and played the media Circus .
The problem for the Club now is that this will either go 2 ways with many repercussions.
1\. He will be angered by the events of this week and might say to himself bugger it " I'm going to hang around next year in Reserves and embarrass the Club in the process and make sure by Seasons end Taylor goes with me " . He will be 33 years old next January anyway so i think he knows his Days are numbered in the NRL.
2\. Cop it like a Man and these things happen in any World Sport , he should know better as there Is Transfer periods in Soccer. Ask your Manager to find him a new Club and go out with some sort of Dignity.

There is no dispute that his not worth the money his getting paid in Today's market and that's what everyone is measuring him on hardly his fault for past Management's stupidity.

The Ousting of Farah has been a work in progress make no mistake about it and it all started in Round 13 vs the Roosters when Farah was left out altogether , then slowly been benching him to now Reserve Grade .
The smart thing would of been like Knuckles said keep reducing the Minutes on the bench and get him to force his own Exit out of the Club , if Ayoub wants to question Jason Taylor ? all Jason needs to say " next year will be even worse as i have said last year the Club doesn't see Robbie part of our plans moving forward ".

Anyway as much as i don't agree with Jason's decision in not having Robbie in the Top 17 vs the Dragons ( as i felt Jason was using him superbly of the bench ) , he is well within his rights to do such thing as a head Coach cause at the end of the Day it's his job on the line .

I'm just sick of people telling me what a Circus of a Club i support Robbie this :blah :blah :blah , Taylor that :blah :blah :blah

Just give me a Club i can be proud of....is to much to ask ?
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
He sounded like a man determined, confident in himself, which hasn't always been the case in the past. I wonder if it's because he knows he has the support of the players and those above.

I wonder who wrote the speech. :mrgreen:
 
@sheer64 said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
He sounded like a man determined, confident in himself, which hasn't always been the case in the past. I wonder if it's because he knows he has the support of the players and those above.

He has a career in politics.

Can't trust those politicians Sheer64\. :wink:
 

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