Taylor..Injuries could've been Prevented...

[851]

If memory serves JT held the record for most games played consecutively at one stage until it was recently beaten

That's right 194 games over 7 years I think, and it is still standing I think,so Taylor knows a bit about keeping his body right for the season or career for that matter.

Luke Douglas broke the record. 215 games.

Thanks for that,I must have forgot about Douglas some how,he is amazing playing that many games in the front row.

 

[jirskyr]

If memory serves JT held the record for most games played consecutively at one stage until it was recently beaten

I believe Richard Swain took if from him?

Luke Douglas has a great record, maybe for props or forwards. I am not sure if he has missed a game yet since debut? Even 2014 or 2013 he got a knee injury, recovered in 1 week.

 

[innsaneink]

Say it at the end of the season if all goes well. Saying it now he might just end up with some egg on his face ( I hope not).

I'm with you EODT, first non-cliche response in this thread.

It is a MASSIVE call to say all our injuries could have been prevented when you've coached 1 x 80 minute pre-season game for the club. Taylor certainly has his ideas and I back him to have 100% control over the way we operate, but let's not get ahead of ourselves and judge him on an untested product.

Herald counts 54 missed games of which Moltzen contributed one quarter, and he got injured running drills at pre-season training.

I would love to see a count of the total missed games by club, to see where we really stand vs other teams. Personally I agree with some other posters, that it is a combination between some poor conditioning, some bad luck and ordinary depth.

If you think its a MASSIVE call…then get what he said correct at least

 

[jirskyr]

If memory serves JT held the record for most games played consecutively at one stage until it was recently beaten

That's right 194 games over 7 years I think, and it is still standing I think,so Taylor knows a bit about keeping his body right for the season or career for that matter.

Luke Douglas broke the record. 215 games.

Is it right LD hasn't missed a game yet?

I thought Richard Swain was the first to break JT's record? Or got really close.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Douglas took an ASADA suspension at the end of last yr, so the streak is over. Pretty amazing record, at 28 he's on track to finishing his career with well over 300 games under his belt as a result.

 

[larrycorowa]

Better preparation and management, combined with a well overdue run of luck should see a dramatic fall in the number of games lost to injury in 2015\. The age of our squad should assist as well.

This will have a major impact on where we finish in 2015.

I fail to see how you could blame anything but bad luck on injuries sustained by Tuiaki, Dwyer, Moltzen, Tedesco and Lawrence to name but a few.

 

[littletiger]

Suppose it's for the confidants of the players. Being told being lapped by 60 points is not totally your fault.

 

[851]

Say it at the end of the season if all goes well. Saying it now he might just end up with some egg on his face ( I hope not).

I'm with you EODT, first non-cliche response in this thread.

It is a MASSIVE call to say all our injuries could have been prevented when you've coached 1 x 80 minute pre-season game for the club. Taylor certainly has his ideas and I back him to have 100% control over the way we operate, but let's not get ahead of ourselves and judge him on an untested product.

Herald counts 54 missed games of which Moltzen contributed one quarter, and he got injured running drills at pre-season training.

I would love to see a count of the total missed games by club, to see where we really stand vs other teams. Personally I agree with some other posters, that it is a combination between some poor conditioning, some bad luck and ordinary depth.

Not 54 games as you say,not even close.
A whopping 154 games of NRL were missed through injury by nine of the Wests Tigers' highest paid stars over the past two seasons, with Tim Moltzen missing 41 of those on his own. As a result the club was forced to fast-track a lot of its juniors and had its depth stretched to the limit as the rehabilitation ward grew larger each week.

 

[Geo]

For me it's more to do about Injury Management recovery times etc…In the past we have been way behind in this area..it was identified as a problem and steps have been taken to rectify the situation....

You would think people would be excited to hear of the changes taking place...Oh well...

 

[jirskyr]

Say it at the end of the season if all goes well. Saying it now he might just end up with some egg on his face ( I hope not).

I'm with you EODT, first non-cliche response in this thread.

It is a MASSIVE call to say all our injuries could have been prevented when you've coached 1 x 80 minute pre-season game for the club. Taylor certainly has his ideas and I back him to have 100% control over the way we operate, but let's not get ahead of ourselves and judge him on an untested product.

Herald counts 54 missed games of which Moltzen contributed one quarter, and he got injured running drills at pre-season training.

I would love to see a count of the total missed games by club, to see where we really stand vs other teams. Personally I agree with some other posters, that it is a combination between some poor conditioning, some bad luck and ordinary depth.

Not 54 games as you say,not even close.
A whopping 154 games of NRL were missed through injury by nine of the Wests Tigers' highest paid stars over the past two seasons, with Tim Moltzen missing 41 of those on his own. As a result the club was forced to fast-track a lot of its juniors and had its depth stretched to the limit as the rehabilitation ward grew larger each week.

Typo dude. Moltzen missed 26.6% of all club missed games in 2013 and 2014\. Pretty huge chunk taken up by a freak accident from a dude who has a bad history with injury.

Take out Tedesco and Sironen and I wonder how the stats look.

 

[innsaneink]

Theyd look better…innacurate, but better.
Your point?

 

[Sabre]

I think Luke Portese is the one who people should have been pointing the finger at.
He came out a couple of times saying the injuries were just bad luck.

Thank God this year we will actually have people who know what they are doing.

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[GNR4LIFE]

Look at our injury toll the last couple of yrs, then look at Souths, then ask yourselves if its luck. You can count on one hand the amount of serious injuries they've had. Its not exactly a coincidence that we couldn't keep Lote on the field in 2011/12/13, and then goes to Souths last yr and plays nearly every game. The bad luck excuse was just a cop out from a S/C team that were both clearly inept and covering their own arse in the process.

 

[happy_tiger]

Say it at the end of the season if all goes well. Saying it now he might just end up with some egg on his face ( I hope not).

I'm with you EODT, first non-cliche response in this thread.

It is a MASSIVE call to say all our injuries could have been prevented when you've coached 1 x 80 minute pre-season game for the club. Taylor certainly has his ideas and I back him to have 100% control over the way we operate, but let's not get ahead of ourselves and judge him on an untested product.

Herald counts 54 missed games of which Moltzen contributed one quarter, and he got injured running drills at pre-season training.

I would love to see a count of the total missed games by club, to see where we really stand vs other teams. Personally I agree with some other posters, that it is a combination between some poor conditioning, some bad luck and ordinary depth.

Not 54 games as you say,not even close.
A whopping 154 games of NRL were missed through injury by nine of the Wests Tigers' highest paid stars over the past two seasons, with Tim Moltzen missing 41 of those on his own. As a result the club was forced to fast-track a lot of its juniors and had its depth stretched to the limit as the rehabilitation ward grew larger each week.

Typo dude. Moltzen missed 26.6% of all club missed games in 2013 and 2014\. Pretty huge chunk taken up by a freak accident from a dude who has a bad history with injury.

Take out Tedesco and Sironen and I wonder how the stats look.

Moltz in our Top 9 players , not likely

But it would be interesting to see how we compare with the other 15 clubs with our Top 9 players injured

 

[Tigermama]

WEEKEND CASUALTY WARD:

Kyle Turner (Concussion/neck, TBA)

Kieran Foran (Concussion, Final trial)

Josh Hoffman (Leg, Final trial)

Jaelen Feeney (Suspected broken arm, TBA)

Pat Mata’utia (Suspected broken leg, TBA)

I personally believe you cannot point the finger at one particular reason why we get so many injuries.
Being professional deafly does help. And there is an element of luck involved.
Wests Tigers lacked in depth which gave a greater impact on our performance.

Eg: BRONCOS

Brisbane’s season did not start the way Wayne Bennett would have wanted after losing his star fullback prior to Christmas with an achilles injury. Darius Boyd had surgery in early December after rupturing a tendon during training and is expected to return to the field as early as May. Sam Thaiday was withdrawn from the Indigenous All Stars side due to a calf injury but has since trained and is expected to return for the World Club Series. Matt Gillett, Corey Oates, Dale Copley, Jarrod Wallace, David Stagg and Jack Reed all had shoulder reconstructions over the off-season. None will be risked in the World Club Series, with each set to be given game time in the final trial.

Darius Boyd (Achilles, Indefinite)

Jack Reed (Shoulder, Final trial)

Dale Copley (Shoulder, Final trial)

Matt Gillett (Shoulder, Final trial)

David Stagg (Shoulder, Final trial)

Corey Oates (Shoulder, Final trial)

Jarrod Wallace (Shoulder, Final trial)

Sam Thaiday (Calf, World Club Series)

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How Gallen didn't get charged amazes me

Agree with you Happy. He should have been charged. I feel for Kyle and his family. Let's hope he recovers and is back playing soon.

 

[Tigermama]

I think Luke Portese is the one who people should have been pointing the finger at.
He came out a couple of times saying the injuries were just bad luck.

Thank God this year we will actually have people who know what they are doing.

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Thank God for that ( or JT ) about time isn't it Sabre.

 

[Tigermama]

Look at our injury toll the last couple of yrs, then look at Souths, then ask yourselves if its luck. You can count on one hand the amount of serious injuries they've had. Its not exactly a coincidence that we couldn't keep Lote on the field in 2011/12/13, and then goes to Souths last yr and plays nearly every game. The bad luck excuse was just a cop out from a S/C team that were both clearly inept and covering their own arse in the process.

Lote did look healthy and fit and had a spring in his step, when he played for the Bunnies. While playing for us, he always seemed to be playing injured. Always heavily bandaged too. Just didn't look fit to me. Such a contrast! You got a point there GNR.

 

[tig_prmz]

I find these comments very interesting.

Impact injuries can not really be avoided. Twisting injuries are very difficult to prevent. They would make up a lot of our injuries.

There is usually questions marks if a side has a lot of Soft tissue injuries. We didnt have too many of those.

JT said something about strengthening in the right areas. maybe this can help with some twisting injuries. Something Ive never come across

That said, most sides go through periods with alot of injuries, look at the broncos now, and they would definitely have a high standard S & C and rehab program.

When injuries come up, Im always reminded of Bennett's famous quote "The human body isnt designed to play rugby league."

Yep and from Lawrence's articles, you could see that many of the recurring injuries were due to rushing a player back onto the field- which is usually due to a lack of depth.

Many injuries aren't preventable- they happen but where we lacked was the management of the injuries.

Look at the injuries we had:

- Tedesco and moltz fractured patella (collision)
- moltz, teddy and noffa (acl) ligament ( twisting)
- farah (elbow dislocation) (collision)

These were the injuries that impacted our season/s the most IMO.

However, in saying that Richards (groin) brooks (shoulder), gavet, Simona (hammies) are soft tissue injuries which might have been prevented through extra S&c. A counter argument to that is gavet seemed lethargic in rehab while brooks was bound to break down playing full season at 18/19.

Yes, the s&c dept was inept afaik but they can't be blamed for everything.

As for Lote, I don't think better training facilities made him better, I think it was the rehab (farah bro) which is one of the best in the nrl.

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[Snapper]

For me it's more to do about Injury Management recovery times etc…In the past we have been way behind in this area..it was identified as a problem and steps have been taken to rectify the situation....

You would think people would be excited to hear of the changes taking place...Oh well...

I agree rehab is a big factor to get back on the Field.
Jason Taylor believes club's injury crisis could have been prevented.
cannot simply be put down to "bad luck".
My point is there is many factors what led to injuries Badluck is one of them.
All teams get injuries but some teams cope better than the Wests Tigers.
Eg :
Depth, rehab, training, …..

It is good to see JT has identified some of these issues. And is rectifying in a professional manner.

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[TIGERS]

Can someone stick the proverbial pin in this one and bring it out around the time of our usual post origin downward spiral.

Lets see what happens next.