innsaneink
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I think that is the same for every coach and player at this stage of the season - they cannot win.
Maybe he should just say ''no comment''
Maybe he should just say ''no comment''
Taylor..Injuries could've been Prevented...
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supercoach
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Interesting approach Taylor has under taken, but I like it. Most of our previous coaches and for that matter NRL coaches will give you a long winded response to a media question, without really saying anything. Its the old political tactic, where Taylor so far has been up front and have left us in no doubt his feelings on certain subjects. What really has impressed me is not only has he identified and been out spoken about things that he see are issues that have been holding us back, he has put systems in place to address the issues.
Anyway I take Eddie's point that if you keep putting your head out their you risks getting it knocked off and I think you will find once the season has started he will be more guarded and keep things in the camp, but at present it is about getting a message to everyone in and outside the club that he means business and the WestsTigers have started the journey to be a harden professional club
Anyway I take Eddie's point that if you keep putting your head out their you risks getting it knocked off and I think you will find once the season has started he will be more guarded and keep things in the camp, but at present it is about getting a message to everyone in and outside the club that he means business and the WestsTigers have started the journey to be a harden professional club
jirskyr
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@innsaneink said:
That if you simply count games missed, it can be misleading if you have 1 or 2 guys with long-term injuries.
You could argue TNT missed something like 60 FG games between his injury and finally retiring.
innsaneink
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Well it really wasnt misleading as each seperate injured player was itemised in the article…..people can see each players duration on the sideline
simonthetiger
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So far im loving him…he has been straight up no BS at all.
@Eddie said:
The actual quotes he's giving are pretty basic and nonspecific - it's all of us lot who know the history who are reading between the lines digs at Potter, Skandalis etc. To my mind he's being asked one question, pretty much: "You've taken over a basket case - how are you going to make it better?" And he's giving the same answers: professionalism, strength and conditioning, defensive structure.
I don't really know what else he can say. "Well actually I think everything was going pretty well already so I'll just keep on those lines"? Or, "There are some areas for improvement but I'm not telling you what they are"? Because the first one looks daft, and the second still allows us all to say "oh look, he obviously thinks Potter was useless".
Also - and this isn't directed at you - I really think the people who are saying "what is Taylor going to say if we get some injuries?" are missing the point. The comparison I'd make is this: let's say you eat nothing but Macca's, go out drinking every night of the week and sleep in your car. You end up taking a lot of sick days. Then you go on a proper diet, quit the booze and buy a new apartment to live in. Is it likely that your sick days will go down? Yes it is. Can you guarantee that you'll never get flu again? Absolutely not.
Here are the real questions: do we believe the Tigers' setup was as good as it could be at preventing injuries and getting players back in best possible shape after injuries? And, do we believe the new setup can improve the situation? Surely the answers are "no" and "yes", right? In which case what injuries we actually pick up are largely irrelevant - it's about giving ourselves the best chance possible. Hit on 18 and you might win, but you'd be a fool to try.
I have no real problem with the confidence. I think he has been extremely impressive since his appointment.
My issue is what happens if the defence starts leaking 30+ most weeks. He is so confident in his system, so does he start blaming players??
He can say what he likes now because we have not lost a game. Like I said I'm pretty confident with his appointment. However undoubtably there will be some tough times and its how he handles those which will reveal more.
My issue is what happens if the defence starts leaking 30+ most weeks. He is so confident in his system, so does he start blaming players??
He can say what he likes now because we have not lost a game. Like I said I'm pretty confident with his appointment. However undoubtably there will be some tough times and its how he handles those which will reveal more.
innsaneink
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There are no guarantees in sport, thats the beauty of it.
However, without confidence and positivity….you will get nowhere.
However, without confidence and positivity….you will get nowhere.
Tigerdave
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"It's not bad luck," Taylor said. "Some guys are a little bit more injury prone than others but to have an exaggerated amount of injuries across the squad, it has to come back to the program and the way the team is preparing. Why isn't it happening to everyone else? Some of those injuries, it is possible that some – a small percentage of them – weren't able to be avoided. But the majority, in my opinion, could have been avoided."
A lot here were saying this prior to 2010 as well. I'm glad though someone in the club and certainly the coach, is saying it.
A lot here were saying this prior to 2010 as well. I'm glad though someone in the club and certainly the coach, is saying it.
jirskyr
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@2041 said:
I dunno this is a pretty borderline analogy and not a point I think anyone is arguing.
It's not as if the Tigers did nothing about managing fitness and injury pre 2015 (akin to eating Maccas and boozing), just that the current guys have a different approach. It is arguable that the current guys are more experienced / qualified, but really I can't really judge or speculate on resumes. Of course JT is going to talk up the dudes he brought in to the system.
I think what some people, myself included, are arguing is it is a bit of a risk to say that "the previous guys were doing everything wrong and I think we could have prevented most of the injuries in previous seasons", which is essentially what JT said, when his own system has not been tested yet. It's the same with the defence, which is Eddie's point.
@jirskyr said:
it takes it to extremes but the point is injuries can happen to any club no matter if your injury prevention is from the 22nd century or the 20th.
youre just more likely to have injuries with poor training/rehab which we have hopefully largely removed. so yes, we could go down with injuries to start the season but its less likely than in previous years.
GNR4LIFE
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Lets hope he's not saying this about the Chinese berries soon.
To be fair, I think everyone realises that we will have injuries. It is a violent, high impact game by nature and players will get hurt. What I have a huge issue with is our rehabilitation. Determining return dates for the simplest and most minute of injuries was like a lottery with our former department. I'm not going to lay the slipper into Skando, as I have no doubt he was doing a job to the best of his ability, but if this can be rectified under JT, we'll fare a great deal better with players returning to the field in an acceptable time.
VanillaThunder
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This would be very, very, veeeery interesting to see. Anyone taking bets for us being 16th across the board?
**Clubs to receive injury rankings report**
_By Matt Encarnacion, Western Sydney Correspondent
NRL.com
7:00am Wed 18th February, 2015_
When club CEOs and coaches open their inboxes on Wednesday morning, they will find a present from the NRL that will provide more protection of their most valuable asset: their players.
For the first time in the game's history, and with the aid of associate professor Dr Donna O'Connor from Sydney University, clubs will receive a detailed 75-page Injury Surveillance Report that will reveal their rankings in relation to the competition's constant battle with injuries.
In other words: informing them where they sit on the NRL's injury ladder without knowing who they're beating.
"We're talking 75 pages of data that goes to clubs and gives them benchmark information across every injury across the game," the NRL's Head of Football, Todd Greenberg, told NRL.com.
"It goes right down to the specifics of ankle and ligament sprains, right through to concussion, and it gives them metrics that they can actually quantify to their own staff for. It's a highly impressive document and something that's very important for the future of the game."
While the NRL is determined to keep the report confidential to respect the interests of each of the 16 teams, Greenberg said the clubs who excelled and invested heavily in their high performance department reflected that success in the win-loss column.
"This has been anecdotal for a long period of time, but the data certainly says to you that when a club has a good year of injury run, and they've had their best players on the field, it also equally applies to their performance at the end of the year on the ladder and in the finals," he said.
"What that means is that clubs are very sophisticated now in both their pre-hab and their re-hab. They're spending a lot of money and looking for a return on investment of how they get their players back onto the field, how they keep them on the field over the course of a year, and when they rest them.
"This report helps them assess that. It helps them look at information factually and it helps them make key decisions on both recruitment and retention."
Following the NRL's decision to introduce new concussion laws last season, Greenberg suggested the data could lead to changes regarding the use of interchange, possibly by the start of the 2016 season.
"This [report] certainly allows us to look at workload. It certainly allows us to look at player recovery times, and allows us to shape that across the game for the trends of the game, not just individual clubs," he said.
"So whilst individual clubs will be very interested to see their metrics as opposed to their counterparts, it allows us to have a look at trends inside the game.
"Ultimately that information will help us shape key decisions. Interchange is one of those things that we'll look at, as are other things.
"This year for the first time in the game's history, we've got a sideline concussion assessment policy. We know exactly how many players came off the field last year and were assessed under that policy. We know exactly the number of players that went back on, and we know the exact data about that in relation to SCAT tests.
"We know that for every player in the NRL and equally, we know that for every player in the NYC competition. That's fundamentally important and people need to know that that's the level of application going on behind the scenes in order to make sure we shape player safety to where it should be."
**Clubs to receive injury rankings report**
_By Matt Encarnacion, Western Sydney Correspondent
NRL.com
7:00am Wed 18th February, 2015_
When club CEOs and coaches open their inboxes on Wednesday morning, they will find a present from the NRL that will provide more protection of their most valuable asset: their players.
For the first time in the game's history, and with the aid of associate professor Dr Donna O'Connor from Sydney University, clubs will receive a detailed 75-page Injury Surveillance Report that will reveal their rankings in relation to the competition's constant battle with injuries.
In other words: informing them where they sit on the NRL's injury ladder without knowing who they're beating.
"We're talking 75 pages of data that goes to clubs and gives them benchmark information across every injury across the game," the NRL's Head of Football, Todd Greenberg, told NRL.com.
"It goes right down to the specifics of ankle and ligament sprains, right through to concussion, and it gives them metrics that they can actually quantify to their own staff for. It's a highly impressive document and something that's very important for the future of the game."
While the NRL is determined to keep the report confidential to respect the interests of each of the 16 teams, Greenberg said the clubs who excelled and invested heavily in their high performance department reflected that success in the win-loss column.
"This has been anecdotal for a long period of time, but the data certainly says to you that when a club has a good year of injury run, and they've had their best players on the field, it also equally applies to their performance at the end of the year on the ladder and in the finals," he said.
"What that means is that clubs are very sophisticated now in both their pre-hab and their re-hab. They're spending a lot of money and looking for a return on investment of how they get their players back onto the field, how they keep them on the field over the course of a year, and when they rest them.
"This report helps them assess that. It helps them look at information factually and it helps them make key decisions on both recruitment and retention."
Following the NRL's decision to introduce new concussion laws last season, Greenberg suggested the data could lead to changes regarding the use of interchange, possibly by the start of the 2016 season.
"This [report] certainly allows us to look at workload. It certainly allows us to look at player recovery times, and allows us to shape that across the game for the trends of the game, not just individual clubs," he said.
"So whilst individual clubs will be very interested to see their metrics as opposed to their counterparts, it allows us to have a look at trends inside the game.
"Ultimately that information will help us shape key decisions. Interchange is one of those things that we'll look at, as are other things.
"This year for the first time in the game's history, we've got a sideline concussion assessment policy. We know exactly how many players came off the field last year and were assessed under that policy. We know exactly the number of players that went back on, and we know the exact data about that in relation to SCAT tests.
"We know that for every player in the NRL and equally, we know that for every player in the NYC competition. That's fundamentally important and people need to know that that's the level of application going on behind the scenes in order to make sure we shape player safety to where it should be."
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