Taylor & Positive footy

[Russell]

I dont know what peoples expectations are of coaches these days… I really dont.

We have seen on here dozens of times, for example, "why are our conversions not high percentage, Taylor was a kicker!" Do people really think that Taylor isnt doing extensive work with them? Do people think that just because a player has made a first grade squad, that 18 months instruction is enough to turn an average kicker into El Masri? Wouldnt you think if it was enough, that every conversion would be a given in the competition across every team...

Same ideology goes for the "Taylor puts forward a defense orientated game plan, so when we try to adopt it we lose often"... It is as if you think that once Taylor lays down the directive that the players as professional first graders get the message, and thus what they produce is a direct reflection on the time and effort put into them by the coaching staff. We have more often than not been show inept versions of what was instructed. The human condition strikes again.

Take that a step further and its as if half of you think Taylor told them that tackles = points...

Taylor hasnt helped us rack up wins I agree, but I do believe he has been setting up systems which we are now receiving the dividends of. He simplified the game to relieve pressure on the halves, which most will agree still hasnt been enough as they are still struggling more often than not. Tried to make defence the cornerstone of our game, yet we leak points as if we hadnt ever seen a tackling bag some weeks...

Taylors football philosophy isnt overly flawed. I understand the baby steps process is annoying, though you would also think that being baby steps, we could master them alot quicker than we seem to have.

05 is gone... you cannot throw it around for success, that was a fluke then, shouldnt have worked but someone was blowing a leprechaun or something. We need a balance.Since inception we have been defence dyslexic, we could see it, but we couldnt read or deal with it. Unfortunately we are now paying for it, and to re-educate defence we had to almost be broken to understand its value.

Spot on Champ - someone knows what is going on, thank God!

 

[Clawdan]

The biggest flaws in taylors coaching that affect how we play are the only thing a coach is 100% accountable for, that is 1\. Our bench usage 2\. Team line up, player positions 3\. Player management. And he is seriously awful at all of these.

 

[The-moP]

I hope out of last nights victory JT has seen that having ET playing as a running pivot, ball carrying forward gives the Tigers much more attacking options rather than having him at dummy half.

The Tigers look like they would open the Bunnies up everytime we had ET to Brooks or Moses carrying the ball and then Teddy, Naiqama and Simona running off them. As long as Farah can give them good early ball and back up like he did to score, the Tigers will cause at lot of troubles to many sides for our remaining games.

Praises to the forward pack last night as well, they stood up to more physical and bigger side. The bash brothers need to work in tandem and throw Woods and Grant in there and we have plenty of go forward momentum. Aloiai and Lawrence played solid as well. I think we need to get a few more minutes out of Aloiai in rotation, he caused the opposition some handfuls when hitting the ball up.

All in all a very good team effort. 8.5 out 10.

 

[ricksen]

I know that there have been a lot of posters stating that **_we need to defend and that is basically all that matters._** I think that has also been Taylor's approach and it has lost us a tonne of games. It's not that you don't have to defend. Everyone gets that defence is important. The point is though that you need to have a good attack. It's harder to get right but it has a bigger impact on the game. When you play positive footy you make it easier to play good defence.

I think today's game shows how stupid Taylors tactics in the past have been. We had a dud season last year due to the stupid defence first and probably only mentality. I think we've lost games this season due to not trying to win games.

If we want to start being a high performing team we need to play like one. We need to go out each week and give it our best shot. That means having a functional offence basically every game. I can accept last week when it was bucketing down but going forward we need to attack and try to win games. If we don't make the 8 we should sack Taylor and get a coach in that understands that winning games is what matters.

No one's ever said that

Its been about percentages, trying to minimise errors

Its not pretty sometimes… It's ugly footy... Winning ugly he's is place, it's not easy getting the balance right. . But you need the defence part right first before we can focus on the attack... We are fast from there yet... Our forwards dominated last night which is why we won

Bonstonker was correct... You don't understand

I'm with ink.
You need to do the ugly stuff well to earn the right to be expansive etc.
I've always been on board with JT's so-called philosophy. Defence is what wins premierships in today's NRL, and we've been an embarrassment in that facet for far too long. Dominating possession and field position wins you games, but you have to be able to soak up the pressure when you're up against it as well.

My criticisms have been based around him imparting said philosophy over to his players, as we're still one of the poorest defensive teams in the comp this far into his tenure (among other issues).

Last night was great, but Souths were pretty terrible and lost a couple of important players during the game. They deserved a touch up, and we gave them one, which is a good sign for our maturity and confidence. The scoreline would have been even more lopsided had the goal-kicking been a tad better and had we not bombed a couple of tries.

Melbourne away is up next - interesting to see if we can carry over that level of performance and give them a good run for their money.

 

[supercoach]

You only have to look at the Warriors, they can play the razzle dazzle stuff better than anyone,but most years end in disappointment. If we are ever going to be a top four team we have to learn how to win three games a month and you can only do that when you have a game that can adapt to what is required.More often than not you have to be able to spend a fair bit of time digging deep and hanging in games. I think that is what Taylor is talking about and I certainly agree with him. The million dollar question is…is Taylor the man to develop this philosophy.

 

[Snake]

You only have to look at the Warriors, they can play the razzle dazzle stuff better than anyone,but most years end in disappointment. If we are ever going to be a top four team we have to learn how to win three games a month and you can only do that when you have a game that can adapt to what is required.More often than not you have to be able to spend a fair bit of time digging deep and hanging in games. I think that is what Taylor is talking about and I certainly agree with him. The million dollar question is…is Taylor the man to develop this philosophy.

The defensive structure has certainly improved no doubt about that ,I think after last night things look good then comes a game that I think the coach has no idea the inconsistency is frustrating .Sitting there watching last night I thought the defensive part of there game was better than the attack. The team really struggled to put them away but I was impressed with the defensive effort ..Overall it looks like a slow process but Taylor does seem to be getting there even at a frustratingly slow pace.

 

[851]

/quote]I loved the smile on his face after he scored his try.

The look on Robbie's face was great but the look on JT's was disappointing.

Yep JT didn't look happy when Farah scored, which for a coach of a team who just scored to kick your team to a match winning lead is very odd.

 

[Swordy]

/quote]I loved the smile on his face after he scored his try.

The look on Robbie's face was great but the look on JT's was disappointing.

Yep JT didn't look happy when Farah scored, which for a coach of a team who just scored to kick your team to a match winning lead is very odd.

I thought the coach looked pretty happy, and he should be given that his plan of having Halatau weather the storm and then a fresh Farah come in after 20 was proven the right call. Havent seen anyone apologise for their uneducated tirade prior to the game.

Coach- right call.
Farah-best game of the year so far.

Its a win win for us supporters.

 

[innsaneink]

But that split second the cameras were on him after Farah scored, he didn't look happy

 

[mctiger]

/quote]I loved the smile on his face after he scored his try.

The look on Robbie's face was great but the look on JT's was disappointing.

Yep JT didn't look happy when Farah scored, which for a coach of a team who just scored to kick your team to a match winning lead is very odd.

Maybe he was thinking, why did he dummy and go himself……

Anyway to think he wouldn't be happy is just looking for things that aren't there. Oh wait…….

 

[851]

/quote]I loved the smile on his face after he scored his try.

The look on Robbie's face was great but the look on JT's was disappointing.

Yep JT didn't look happy when Farah scored, which for a coach of a team who just scored to kick your team to a match winning lead is very odd.

Maybe he was thinking, why did he dummy and go himself……

Anyway to think he wouldn't be happy is just looking for things that aren't there. Oh wait…….

If he was happy he didn't show it, on the TV he looked like the kid who wanted a bike for Christmas and got a pair of socks instead.

 

[hobbo]

/quote]I loved the smile on his face after he scored his try.

Yep JT didn't look happy when Farah scored, which for a coach of a team who just scored to kick your team to a match winning lead is very odd.

Maybe he was thinking, why did he dummy and go himself……

Anyway to think he wouldn't be happy is just looking for things that aren't there. Oh wait…….

If he was happy he didn't show it, on the TV he looked like the kid who wanted a bike for Christmas and got a pair of socks instead.

Scarecrows don't smile mate :laughing:
Or maybe he needs some Botox in that upturned lip of his :laughing:

But seriously I think he was motionless to think that Farah still had it in him .

 

[TYGA]

But that split second the cameras were on him after Farah scored, he didn't look happy

Who cares? He's angry and it looks like he may be better playing with a chip on his shoulder.
Farah's emotional and its probably good to fire him up.

 

[gallagher]

Seriously? JT didn't look happy when Farah scored? He never looks happy! !!! I've seen Bennett motionless after a grand final winning try. Sone people can't just enjoy a win. A rare win .
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Someone must have been blowing a leprechaun! !!
Brilliant

 

[maxxy86]

/quote]I loved the smile on his face after he scored his try.

The look on Robbie's face was great but the look on JT's was disappointing.

Yep JT didn't look happy when Farah scored, which for a coach of a team who just scored to kick your team to a match winning lead is very odd.

Maybe he was thinking, why did he dummy and go himself……

Anyway to think he wouldn't be happy is just looking for things that aren't there. Oh wait…….

I for one was saying at the time pass it pass it…...for a fleating moment I'd thought ' blown it' but he got away with it. Hence Taylors look.

 

[snowleopard]

Yep that is the way I saw it too.. And looked again and saw the inside player seemed to be covered so ended up being the right decision

 

[Doc_Tiger]

Some can't stand the thought of Taylor being correct. Apparently he can't get em up for games and if by chance they do get up, then he's not happy about it. Who'd wanna be a coach at our club? You'd have to be mad.

 

[NT_Tiger]

In a way I saw that game, including Farah's try, as a vindication of both Farah and Taylor. Farah demonstrated beyond doubt that he still has it when he wants to use it and Taylor demonstrated that his game plan, including his use of Farah was a good idea. It certainly got the best out of Farah.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

/quote]I loved the smile on his face after he scored his try.

Yep JT didn't look happy when Farah scored, which for a coach of a team who just scored to kick your team to a match winning lead is very odd.

Maybe he was thinking, why did he dummy and go himself……

Anyway to think he wouldn't be happy is just looking for things that aren't there. Oh wait…….

If he was happy he didn't show it, on the TV he looked like the kid who wanted a bike for Christmas and got a pair of socks instead.

You'd know as that's how you act every time we win cos you have no justifiable reason to still give it to the coach. Yet you still manage.

 

[southerntiger]

In a way I saw that game, including Farah's try, as a vindication of both Farah and Taylor. Farah demonstrated beyond doubt that he still has it when he wants to use it and Taylor demonstrated that his game plan, including his use of Farah was a good idea. It certainly got the best out of Farah.

Exactly. Farah hasn't completely lost it. He simply can't do everything he was doing as a 25 year old and pull it off. That nothing kick he put in when he first came on is a great example.

The try was Farah playing direct, which is what Taylor wants him to do. The coaching team aren't opposed to runs out of dummy half. They are opposed to the lateral drift from dummy half which eats into the metres of the backline. They are opposed to the nothing inside balls to a player standing still and often in a worse position. The truth is that these bad features creeped into Farah's game later in his career, primarily because he felt that he needed to do everything in the absence of an organising half. Farah became a worse player as a result.

If Farah can go back to his traditional role, playing direct, and giving good service, we will go close to making the 8.