Team for next week vs newcastle

[tiger05]

You might want to check an Oxford dictionary on what constitutes an opinion. Everyone with half a brain knows that Moltzen does not put his body on the line when he's playing fullback. It's plain as day to everyone except you.

And yes, I checked his metres, I did post up the stats yesterday. He made 102 metres, the first time he has made more than 100 metres in attack all year. His previous games at fullback resulted in a paltry and laughable 47 metres against the Gold Coast and a poor 73 metres against the Broncos.

You're either obsessed with Moltzen or related to him. The only thing he has on McKinnon is speed. Mckinnon should be teaching him how to position himself and support the play properly from the back.

Ah - the good old Oxford dictionary line. Bravo Mr Willow Bravo ! I looked it up on wiki - here is the link:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion.

It sounds to me a lot like your opinion on Moltzen.

As for being obsessed with Moltzen. It is more to do with the fact that McKinnon is too slow. I don't care who the option is but at the moment the best option that I see at fullback is Moltzen. Maybe Mullaney should be there but we desperately need some spark.

I think Farah made 47 odd metres against the dragons. Was his game laughable ?

 

[hybrid_tiger]

You might want to check an Oxford dictionary on what constitutes an opinion. Everyone with half a brain knows that Moltzen does not put his body on the line when he's playing fullback. It's plain as day to everyone except you.

And yes, I checked his metres, I did post up the stats yesterday. He made 102 metres, the first time he has made more than 100 metres in attack all year. His previous games at fullback resulted in a paltry and laughable 47 metres against the Gold Coast and a poor 73 metres against the Broncos.

You're either obsessed with Moltzen or related to him. The only thing he has on McKinnon is speed. Mckinnon should be teaching him how to position himself and support the play properly from the back.

Ah - the good old Oxford dictionary line. Bravo Mr Willow Bravo ! I looked it up on wiki - here is the link:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion.

It sounds to me a lot like your opinion on Moltzen.

As for being obsessed with Moltzen. It is more to do with the fact that McKinnon is too slow. I don't care who the option is but at the moment the best option that I see at fullback is Moltzen. Maybe Mullaney should be there but we desperately need some spark.

I think Farah made 47 odd metres against the dragons. Was his game laughable ?

Moltzen does not put his body on the line - this is a fact, not an opinion.

 

[BeanStew55]

1\. Jake Mullaney (It could happen)
2\. Lote Tuqiri
3\. Blake Ayshford
4\. Beau Ryan
5\. Mitch Brown
6\. Benji Marshall
7\. Tim Moltzen
8\. Bryce Gibbs
9\. Robbie Farah
10\. Andrew Fifita
11\. Gareth Ellis
12\. Chris Heighington
13\. Liam Fulton

Interchange:
14\. Simon Dwyer
15\. Aaron Woods
16\. Ben Murdoch - Masila
17\. Curtis Sironen

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Lat week all the Moltzen haters were carrying on about Gasnier running around him - but they forgot Gasnier is no dope.
He chose to aim up at the weakest link in the defence ….Mr Lui

Mr. Lui took him down twice in a couple of beautiful one-on-ones.

Tell me, what would Moltzen have done, other than grab at his jersey and ask him to surrender?

Take the blinkers off.

You know CB for a little while in the first half I thought he had picked up better in defence playing a little wider where he could take a player side on.
But really - don't you think a first grade player should be able to make regulation tackles without us having to say how wonderful it is?
After a promising few tackles he was back to his worst.
The blinkers were off when Gasnier left him so far behind in his first half run it looked like Lui was running backwards.
His defence was so obviously poor that Ch 9 even replayed his two bad misses in two consecutive tackles that led to Gasnier's try in the second half.
Time to take the rose coloured glasses of yourself CB

I have got the glasses off CK, if you have been active in other threads, you will see that I have already said that Lui's game was very ordinary yesterday. You are insinuating that he got beaten all day by Gasnier, and that is an untruth.

 

[Balmain_Tiger]

1\. Moltzen - with Mckinnon leaving and Moltzen our possible long term fullback he needs to be getting as much game time there asap and return to his stunning 09 form! i think he started to show some promise on sunday
2\. Tuqiri - if ready to play he is a must (if not brown)
3\. Ryan - i know he hasnt been to impressive this year but i see him as being our best option atm
4\. Ayshford - we are going to need him alongside Tuqiri to defend against Uate
5\. Brown - Please keep brown on the wing! he is very under-rated on the wing!
6\. Marshall - Needs more ball time.
7\. Lui - His defence let him down this week. Its a shame as he has really improved on it lately.
8\. Fifita - i much prefer Fifita starting then coming off the bench
9\. Farah - he better pick up his game
10\. Galloway - I hope that big red returns this week. We need him!
11\. Ellis - If fit we definitely need him back. Just hope he wont lose any of his form upon return
12\. Fulton - Our best 11,12,13 is back this week with Ellis, Fulton and Rhino in the pack!
13\. Rhino - This guy is an absolute workhorse. Hope he keeps up the good work.

14\. Gibbs - Better off the bench, i just hope he doesnt give away a penalty straight away like he is known to do
15\. Dwyer - loving his combination with Marshall, great line runner and great at finding gaps in the defence. Id be rotating him with Fulton or Ellis depending on his match fitness
16\. BMM - Seems to be offering something now, has some good go forward and runs hard
17\. Meaney - Unless Utai is fit, in that case Ryan goes to bench, Brown to centres and Utai to wing.

 

[Guest]

You might want to check an Oxford dictionary on what constitutes an opinion. Everyone with half a brain knows that Moltzen does not put his body on the line when he's playing fullback. It's plain as day to everyone except you.

And yes, I checked his metres, I did post up the stats yesterday. He made 102 metres, the first time he has made more than 100 metres in attack all year. His previous games at fullback resulted in a paltry and laughable 47 metres against the Gold Coast and a poor 73 metres against the Broncos.

You're either obsessed with Moltzen or related to him. The only thing he has on McKinnon is speed. Mckinnon should be teaching him how to position himself and support the play properly from the back.

Ah - the good old Oxford dictionary line. Bravo Mr Willow Bravo ! I looked it up on wiki - here is the link:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion.

It sounds to me a lot like your opinion on Moltzen.

As for being obsessed with Moltzen. It is more to do with the fact that McKinnon is too slow. I don't care who the option is but at the moment the best option that I see at fullback is Moltzen. Maybe Mullaney should be there but we desperately need some spark.

I think Farah made 47 odd metres against the dragons. Was his game laughable ?

Farah is a hooker playing out of dummyhalf. He's not a fullback whose job it is to bring the ball back hard in returning kicks and trying to put his team on the front foot.

If McKinnon is so slow, then what good has Moltzen been with his extraordinary pace? Is he setting up tries? Is he scoring tries? Is he saving tries?

If the best option you see is Moltzen for fullback, then I'm glad Sheens will choose McKinnon there when he's fit.

 

[cktiger]

Lat week all the Moltzen haters were carrying on about Gasnier running around him - but they forgot Gasnier is no dope.
He chose to aim up at the weakest link in the defence ….Mr Lui

Mr. Lui took him down twice in a couple of beautiful one-on-ones.

Tell me, what would Moltzen have done, other than grab at his jersey and ask him to surrender?

Take the blinkers off.

You know CB for a little while in the first half I thought he had picked up better in defence playing a little wider where he could take a player side on.
But really - don't you think a first grade player should be able to make regulation tackles without us having to say how wonderful it is?
After a promising few tackles he was back to his worst.
The blinkers were off when Gasnier left him so far behind in his first half run it looked like Lui was running backwards.
His defence was so obviously poor that Ch 9 even replayed his two bad misses in two consecutive tackles that led to Gasnier's try in the second half.
Time to take the rose coloured glasses of yourself CB

I have got the glasses off CK, if you have been active in other threads, you will see that I have already said that Lui's game was very ordinary yesterday. You are insinuating that he got beaten all day by Gasnier, and that is an untruth.

CB-saw your other comments but can only read one at a time :laughing:
I said he looked ok at the start - and yes his first two tackles on Gasnier were ok.
Unfortunately the ones he missed cost us points.
He seems to have no confidence and looks lost to me in attack and defence

 

[IronTiger]

Every week people do the same thing after we lose. They post all their different teams, with new players, players back in their positions etc etc

But let's face it.

We all know that Sheens is going to play the same old tired team again, and again and again.

If McKinnon is unavailable, he will play Molzten (a half) at fullback
He will continue to hamstring the team by playing a winger on the bench until the 79th minute
And he won't drop anyone in bad form. No, the only time supercoach drops anyone is when they are injured. Only then do they get dropped.

It's not wonder the players aren't motivated to perform, when they know there are no consequences.

So play your little games and name all your teams - it's a colossal waste of time.

So losing to the current full strength comp leaders and winners by just 6 points with at least 5 first team players missing & to return is not performing?

Even the Dragons missed tackles, dropped the ball and had points scored against them. Are their fans bleating? Have they a fixed set team that have played without major injuries for the past 2 seasons? yes

I was annoyed off last week but lets get some perspective.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

1\. Mullaney (time to bit the bullet)
2\. Tuqiri
3\. Ayshford
4\. Moltzen (only due to lack of options)
5\. Brown
6\. Marshall
7\. Lui
8\. Gibbs
9\. Farah
10\. Galloway
11\. Dwyer
12\. Ellis
13\. Heighington

14\. Fulton
15\. Woods
16\. BMM
17\. Fifita

 

[everett]

1\. Mullaney (time to bit the bullet)
2\. Tuqiri
3\. Ayshford
4\. Moltzen (only due to lack of options)
5\. Brown
6\. Marshall
7\. Lui
8\. Gibbs
9\. Farah
10\. Galloway
11\. Dwyer
12\. Ellis
13\. Heighington

14\. Fulton
15\. Woods
16\. BMM
17\. Fifita

Love the above Team.

Would prefer Moltzen not at Centre but if we don't have any State Cup Centre's putting their hands up then Moltzen it is.

Time to give Mullaney a go if McKinnon is unfit.

 

[that_guy]

Yep. Too many posters on here don't get it. McKinnon is overrated. I'm not sure if Moltzen will make it at fullback but he is a better player than McKinnon now.

C'mon 05…. The difference between Winning and Losing yesterday is McKinnon playing!

Come on man, you can't be that anti-moltz to say that McKinnon wins us the game vs Dragons. The only thing that Mac MIGHT have done would have been support Farah on that break (which we scored off anyway). The dragons long range tries were what killed us and that wasn't Moltzen's fault because he can't cover the break and the support players. Also, on both kicks (where Moltz scored and at the end when he nearly did) I don't think Wade would have had any where near the speed that Moltzen did.

Also, Moltzen will be fullback in 2012\. So we might as well play him there as much as possible now to improve his weaknesses. Because if we listen to all the "Moltzen hate", Wade will play there for the rest of the year, and then what will happen if he drops out of a finals game with a hammy problem??? Then we are stuck with a player who has bearly played FB all year. Look to the future and play Moltz where he will be.

 

[happy_tiger]

Yep. Too many posters on here don't get it. McKinnon is overrated. I'm not sure if Moltzen will make it at fullback but he is a better player than McKinnon now.

C'mon 05…. The difference between Winning and Losing yesterday is McKinnon playing!

Come on man, you can't be that anti-moltz to say that McKinnon wins us the game vs Dragons. The only thing that Mac MIGHT have done would have been support Farah on that break (which we scored off anyway). The dragons long range tries were what killed us and that wasn't Moltzen's fault because he can't cover the break and the support players. Also, on both kicks (where Moltz scored and at the end when he nearly did) I don't think Wade would have had any where near the speed that Moltzen did.

Also, Moltzen will be fullback in 2012\. So we might as well play him there as much as possible now to improve his weaknesses. Because if we listen to all the "Moltzen hate", Wade will play there for the rest of the year, and then what will happen if he drops out of a finals game with a hammy problem??? Then we are stuck with a player who has bearly played FB all year. Look to the future and play Moltz where he will be.

So what did Brown do wrong last season That Guy ??

 

[that_guy]

Yep. Too many posters on here don't get it. McKinnon is overrated. I'm not sure if Moltzen will make it at fullback but he is a better player than McKinnon now.

C'mon 05…. The difference between Winning and Losing yesterday is McKinnon playing!

Come on man, you can't be that anti-moltz to say that McKinnon wins us the game vs Dragons. The only thing that Mac MIGHT have done would have been support Farah on that break (which we scored off anyway). The dragons long range tries were what killed us and that wasn't Moltzen's fault because he can't cover the break and the support players. Also, on both kicks (where Moltz scored and at the end when he nearly did) I don't think Wade would have had any where near the speed that Moltzen did.

Also, Moltzen will be fullback in 2012\. So we might as well play him there as much as possible now to improve his weaknesses. Because if we listen to all the "Moltzen hate", Wade will play there for the rest of the year, and then what will happen if he drops out of a finals game with a hammy problem??? Then we are stuck with a player who has bearly played FB all year. Look to the future and play Moltz where he will be.

So what did Brown do wrong last season That Guy ??

I'll admit that Brown was good last year in our charge to the finals (his biggest adv imo was his safety, but I still don't think his attack was that great). I think that Brown doesn't run as hard as he should for someone his size and his defence isn't great (as shown by Gaz). All I am saying is that we all know that Sheens sees Moltz as a fullback and that his attacking game laps Brown. I think Moltzen is an excellent talent with heaps of pace, and if we focus on improving his bomb taking and defence. If we persist with him, I think all Tigers supporters will be happy with his overall game.

 

[magpiecol]

1\. Mullaney (time to bit the bullet)
2\. Tuqiri
3\. Ayshford
4\. Moltzen (only due to lack of options)
5\. Brown
6\. Marshall
7\. Lui
8\. Gibbs
9\. Farah
10\. Galloway
11\. Dwyer
12\. Ellis
13\. Heighington

14\. Fulton
15\. Woods
16\. BMM
17\. Fifita

Not a bad side, however take out:-

Moltzen for Ryan (who is in fact a centre not a winger)

Lui for Miller

Brown for Koroibete

Bmm (something seems to be wrong with him at the momement, maybe overweight?) for Groat.

 

[Vicious]

1.Jake Mullaney
2.Marika Koroibete (a risk, but we need speed)
3.Lote Tuquiri (we need Lote`s physical presence and line breaking ability as a go to option for our play makers)
4.Beau Ryan
5.Mitch Brown
6.Benji Marshall
7.Robert Lui
13.Chris Heighington
12.Simon Dwyer
11.Gareth Ellis
10.Keith Galloway
9.Robbie Farah
8.Bryce Gibbs

14.Blake Ayshford/Liam Fulton
15.Ben Murdoch-Masila
16.Aaron Woods
17.Andrew Fifita

 

[tigerbenji]

The same thing every week Moltzen, hes come back from a bad injury & he will be our fullback next year, yep thats right next year so get used to it. Wade wont play this week with his injury, & they wont pick Mullaney so it will be Moltzen. On Lui his defence has been bad for three games in a row give Miller a go there & put Lui on the bench or reserve grade as this is a must win game.

 

[magpiecol]

The same thing every week Moltzen, hes come back from a bad injury & he will be our fullback next year, yep thats right next year so get used to it. Wade wont play this week with his injury, & they wont pick Mullaney so it will be Moltzen. On Lui his defence has been bad for three games in a row give Miller a go there & put Lui on the bench or reserve grade as this is a must win game.

Moltzen will not be with us next year, hopefully. Souths.

 

[Diver]

1\. Brown
2\. Tuqiri
3\. Ayshford
4\. Fulton
5\. Ryan
6\. Marshall
7\. Lui
8\. Gibbs
9\. Farah
10\. Galloway
11\. Dwyer
12\. Ellis
13\. Heighington

14\. Moltzen
15\. Woods
16\. Fafita
17\. Murdoch-Masila

 

[cktiger]

The same thing every week Moltzen, hes come back from a bad injury & he will be our fullback next year, yep thats right next year so get used to it. Wade wont play this week with his injury, & they wont pick Mullaney so it will be Moltzen. On Lui his defence has been bad for three games in a row give Miller a go there & put Lui on the bench or reserve grade as this is a must win game.

Moltzen will not be with us next year, hopefully. Souths.

You'll have to put up with him a little longer - he's already said he's not going anywhere,
IMO he should be half but we shall see what pans out…..

 

[caughtnapping]

Tim Moltzen's hopes of becoming Wests Tigers' long-term fullback have been boosted by news the NRL club is not looking to replace the departing Wade McKinnon.

McKinnon signed with Hull last week after the Tigers agreed to release him early from his contract to join the English Super League side in 2012.

Moltzen is off-contract at the end of next year and was given permission to speak to other NRL teams this month, but recruitment manager Warren McDonnell said hiring a fullback is not a priority.

"We've got some good youth coming through the club like Jake Mullaney who is in the state cup side, plus Tim Moltzen can also play there," McDonnell told AAP.

"Tim enjoys playing fullback and he now might get a chance to regularly, also Mitch Brown can play there too, so we are well covered.

"We will have a look to see what is out there, but we are not going to be targeting a fullback in our recruitment for now."

Moltzen has played most of this season in the centres and spent time at halfback following his return from a knee reconstruction last year.

However the 22-year-old sees himself as a No.1 and, despite having looked at what's on offer from other clubs, he's in no hurry to leave.

"I prefer fullback, I worked really hard in the pre-season of 08-09 and had a full year at it in `09 and came back to the halves just to fill in," Moltzen said.

"It worked out that I went all right there so I stayed there but I think eventually fullback's where I want to end up.

"I'm definitely committed to the Tigers and I love the Tigers and all the boys at the club so I'm not looking to go anywhere.

"I'm not looking to move anywhere and the club's not looking to move me on so I'm happy where I am."

McDonnell said the Tigers are still hopeful of signing Melbourne prop Adam Blair with an offer for his services very much still on the table.

"I don't think it's any secret that we have made an offer to Adam, we have not set him a timeframe for a response," McDonnell said.

"There are a few other clubs also interested so it's a case of just waiting and biding our time, but it is a good deal and we are confident."

Looks like we've got Moltzen at FB for the forseeable future!