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TigerNeddyK said:
Putting the whole Douhei treason revival 26 story aside then for the love of god , why is hope , Mason, toa and Murray back in for Heywood, Roberts , Andrews and afoa ,,, and why the hell is Sione back in second row and how well does Pole have to play off the bench to stick with that strategy only to go back to starting him … I cannot get my head around it, and poor old Lanyon ,, what has he done wrong ??
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I agree there; the decisions leave me scratching my head. But the guy holding the clipboard has reasons (that he won't share).
 
Jolls said:
I know I am about to set the noose for myself but hear me out. I understand why people are concerned about the selection of AD at half; however, is it really that bad a decision?

I've been one of AD's biggest critics through this whole saga. I've said publicly that if a player refuses to play the position selected by the coach, it's potentially a sackable offence. I also don't think AD is well suited to bing a half.

None of that has changed.

But here's the question you should be asking... What message would Benji have sent if AD wasn't selected today? Now I know you are thinking; he is setting standards, punishment for turning his back on mates etc. I had the saem thoughts initially.

If, as has been reported, they sat down, aired their differences, agreed to move forward and AD has recommitted to the club for the remainder of the season, what happens next?

Do you continue punishing him? Or do you demonstrate that once an issue has been dealt with, it's dealt with?

To me, this is where leadership comes in. If Benji is of the opinion that he is the the best half in the 17 we have available this week; then it is the right decsion. Discipline isn't about making an example of someone forever. It's about correcting behaviour, resetting expectations and then getting everyone focused back on the job. There is no need to keep punishing people after they've accepted the standard. If you do, you're no longer reinforcing discipline; you're holding grudges.

That's not leadership.

Benji has spent the last two years trying to build a culture based on accountability and standards. If the reason AD was to be moved to lock last week was because he missed the early training reps and we were playing on the Saturday, and he has stated that to the team, then he had to pick him.

Not because AD won; and not because Benji lost. Because that's what consistency looks like.

Imagine the alternative. He made a statement similar to above, AD has accepted whatever was discussed behind closed doors. The club publicly says the matter is resolved. Then Benji leaves him out anyway.

What message does that send to the rest of the team? More importantly, what message does it send to every player manager and every off-contract player watching from outside?

It says once you've made a mistake, there is no a path back. That's not a culture people want to join. I called it this morning; this stopped being about playing lock the moment SM/Moses got involved.

From that point on, this became about protecting the club, protecting the standards and protecting the future. Today's team list tells me one thing. Whatever happened has been dealt with internally and Benji, AD and the club are moving on.

Personally, I still have reservations about AD as a half; but that's a football discussion. This selection was a leadership decision. If it was the right one or not will play out over time.

In my opinion, after sitting back and taking a breath, Benji made a decision consistent with the message he delivered last week. He will pick what he thinks is best for the team on a week to week basis. Now let's see what the messaging is that supports the decsion.

Now Mason onto the pine after his poor performance in cup, and Toa after coming from the field injured after a very average game are the real head scratchers.
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Well expressed and thought out point of view.
In addition to all you have written there is also a possibility that the playing group as a whole were in favour of accepting AD’s explanations and his recommitment to the group and so Benji would be trying to reinforce the team bond. The bond within the group is such a key element to performance on the field.
I have no doubt that Benji is putting the potential result on the weekend ahead of anything else, including how it makes him appear to his critics.
Benji’s leadership group has really suffered a hit ever since Luais decision and now this.
 
Pathetic team list, sione is no back rower. Where is Suruku??
Seriously ‘ hand like feet’ gets another gig? For what?? Letting 4 try’s in….
 
Jolls said:
I know I am about to set the noose for myself but hear me out. I understand why people are concerned about the selection of AD at half; however, is it really that bad a decision?

I've been one of AD's biggest critics through this whole saga. I've said publicly that if a player refuses to play the position selected by the coach, it's potentially a sackable offence. I also don't think AD is well suited to bing a half.

None of that has changed.

But here's the question you should be asking... What message would Benji have sent if AD wasn't selected today? Now I know you are thinking; he is setting standards, punishment for turning his back on mates etc. I had the saem thoughts initially.

If, as has been reported, they sat down, aired their differences, agreed to move forward and AD has recommitted to the club for the remainder of the season, what happens next?

Do you continue punishing him? Or do you demonstrate that once an issue has been dealt with, it's dealt with?

To me, this is where leadership comes in. If Benji is of the opinion that he is the the best half in the 17 we have available this week; then it is the right decsion. Discipline isn't about making an example of someone forever. It's about correcting behaviour, resetting expectations and then getting everyone focused back on the job. There is no need to keep punishing people after they've accepted the standard. If you do, you're no longer reinforcing discipline; you're holding grudges.

That's not leadership.

Benji has spent the last two years trying to build a culture based on accountability and standards. If the reason AD was to be moved to lock last week was because he missed the early training reps and we were playing on the Saturday, and he has stated that to the team, then he had to pick him.

Not because AD won; and not because Benji lost. Because that's what consistency looks like.

Imagine the alternative. He made a statement similar to above, AD has accepted whatever was discussed behind closed doors. The club publicly says the matter is resolved. Then Benji leaves him out anyway.

What message does that send to the rest of the team? More importantly, what message does it send to every player manager and every off-contract player watching from outside?

It says once you've made a mistake, there is no a path back. That's not a culture people want to join. I called it this morning; this stopped being about playing lock the moment SM/Moses got involved.

From that point on, this became about protecting the club, protecting the standards and protecting the future. Today's team list tells me one thing. Whatever happened has been dealt with internally and Benji, AD and the club are moving on.

Personally, I still have reservations about AD as a half; but that's a football discussion. This selection was a leadership decision. If it was the right one or not will play out over time.

In my opinion, after sitting back and taking a breath, Benji made a decision consistent with the message he delivered last week. He will pick what he thinks is best for the team on a week to week basis. Now let's see what the messaging is that supports the decsion.

Now Mason onto the pine after his poor performance in cup, and Toa after coming from the field injured after a very average game are the real head scratchers.
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Benji, is that you ????
 
Jolls said:
I know I am about to set the noose for myself but hear me out. I understand why people are concerned about the selection of AD at half; however, is it really that bad a decision?

I've been one of AD's biggest critics through this whole saga. I've said publicly that if a player refuses to play the position selected by the coach, it's potentially a sackable offence. I also don't think AD is well suited to bing a half.

None of that has changed.

But here's the question you should be asking... What message would Benji have sent if AD wasn't selected today? Now I know you are thinking; he is setting standards, punishment for turning his back on mates etc. I had the saem thoughts initially.

If, as has been reported, they sat down, aired their differences, agreed to move forward and AD has recommitted to the club for the remainder of the season, what happens next?

Do you continue punishing him? Or do you demonstrate that once an issue has been dealt with, it's dealt with?

To me, this is where leadership comes in. If Benji is of the opinion that he is the the best half in the 17 we have available this week; then it is the right decsion. Discipline isn't about making an example of someone forever. It's about correcting behaviour, resetting expectations and then getting everyone focused back on the job. There is no need to keep punishing people after they've accepted the standard. If you do, you're no longer reinforcing discipline; you're holding grudges.

That's not leadership.

Benji has spent the last two years trying to build a culture based on accountability and standards. If the reason AD was to be moved to lock last week was because he missed the early training reps and we were playing on the Saturday, and he has stated that to the team, then he had to pick him.

Not because AD won; and not because Benji lost. Because that's what consistency looks like.

Imagine the alternative. He made a statement similar to above, AD has accepted whatever was discussed behind closed doors. The club publicly says the matter is resolved. Then Benji leaves him out anyway.

What message does that send to the rest of the team? More importantly, what message does it send to every player manager and every off-contract player watching from outside?

It says once you've made a mistake, there is no a path back. That's not a culture people want to join. I called it this morning; this stopped being about playing lock the moment SM/Moses got involved.

From that point on, this became about protecting the club, protecting the standards and protecting the future. Today's team list tells me one thing. Whatever happened has been dealt with internally and Benji, AD and the club are moving on.

Personally, I still have reservations about AD as a half; but that's a football discussion. This selection was a leadership decision. If it was the right one or not will play out over time.

In my opinion, after sitting back and taking a breath, Benji made a decision consistent with the message he delivered last week. He will pick what he thinks is best for the team on a week to week basis. Now let's see what the messaging is that supports the decsion.

Now Mason onto the pine after his poor performance in cup, and Toa after coming from the field injured after a very average game are the real head scratchers.
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In the 80's when men where men .I worked for a (AHX) company building freeways.
Management and the Union where well aware that if you had a problem bitching with a coworker ,and or manager, as a fact. that lasted more than a week, the 2 warring parties, plus a referee would step off site and humble the situation. Loser paid for drinks.
2 decades later ,boss man despised fisty cuffs ,yet threw the 2 together until 1 walked/broke protocol or both just learnt to get along .
There is no easy answer, times are always a changing.
Thought Shuan may have bitten of etc , but watching and listening to his statement the other day gave me some hope .Hope the guy relishes a challenge
 
Jolls said:
I know I am about to set the noose for myself but hear me out. I understand why people are concerned about the selection of AD at half; however, is it really that bad a decision?

I've been one of AD's biggest critics through this whole saga. I've said publicly that if a player refuses to play the position selected by the coach, it's potentially a sackable offence. I also don't think AD is well suited to bing a half.

None of that has changed.

But here's the question you should be asking... What message would Benji have sent if AD wasn't selected today? Now I know you are thinking; he is setting standards, punishment for turning his back on mates etc. I had the saem thoughts initially.

If, as has been reported, they sat down, aired their differences, agreed to move forward and AD has recommitted to the club for the remainder of the season, what happens next?

Do you continue punishing him? Or do you demonstrate that once an issue has been dealt with, it's dealt with?

To me, this is where leadership comes in. If Benji is of the opinion that he is the the best half in the 17 we have available this week; then it is the right decsion. Discipline isn't about making an example of someone forever. It's about correcting behaviour, resetting expectations and then getting everyone focused back on the job. There is no need to keep punishing people after they've accepted the standard. If you do, you're no longer reinforcing discipline; you're holding grudges.

That's not leadership.

Benji has spent the last two years trying to build a culture based on accountability and standards. If the reason AD was to be moved to lock last week was because he missed the early training reps and we were playing on the Saturday, and he has stated that to the team, then he had to pick him.

Not because AD won; and not because Benji lost. Because that's what consistency looks like.

Imagine the alternative. He made a statement similar to above, AD has accepted whatever was discussed behind closed doors. The club publicly says the matter is resolved. Then Benji leaves him out anyway.

What message does that send to the rest of the team? More importantly, what message does it send to every player manager and every off-contract player watching from outside?

It says once you've made a mistake, there is no a path back. That's not a culture people want to join. I called it this morning; this stopped being about playing lock the moment SM/Moses got involved.

From that point on, this became about protecting the club, protecting the standards and protecting the future. Today's team list tells me one thing. Whatever happened has been dealt with internally and Benji, AD and the club are moving on.

Personally, I still have reservations about AD as a half; but that's a football discussion. This selection was a leadership decision. If it was the right one or not will play out over time.

In my opinion, after sitting back and taking a breath, Benji made a decision consistent with the message he delivered last week. He will pick what he thinks is best for the team on a week to week basis. Now let's see what the messaging is that supports the decsion.

Now Mason onto the pine after his poor performance in cup, and Toa after coming from the field injured after a very average game are the real head scratchers.
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Its not the douhei selection that concerns me

Its the bench and the playsrs named in cup who should probably be listed in the nrl side
 
TigerNeddyK said:
Putting the whole Douhei treason revival 26 story aside then for the love of god , why is hope , Mason, toa and Murray back in for Heywood, Roberts , Andrews and afoa ,,, and why the hell is Sione back in second row and how well does Pole have to play off the bench to stick with that strategy only to go back to starting him … I cannot get my head around it, and poor old Lanyon ,, what has he done wrong ??
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Milky said:
Could you imagine what our juniors and players from other clubs are thinking about this situation. Brandon Smith was pretty vocal about it on a podcast.

If we were struggling with recruitment and retention before, we are in for a real surprise.
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Brandon Smith, Willie Mason, Beau Ryan ...
 
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Jolls said:
I know I am about to set the noose for myself but hear me out. I understand why people are concerned about the selection of AD at half; however, is it really that bad a decision?

I've been one of AD's biggest critics through this whole saga. I've said publicly that if a player refuses to play the position selected by the coach, it's potentially a sackable offence. I also don't think AD is well suited to bing a half.

None of that has changed.

But here's the question you should be asking... What message would Benji have sent if AD wasn't selected today? Now I know you are thinking; he is setting standards, punishment for turning his back on mates etc. I had the saem thoughts initially.

If, as has been reported, they sat down, aired their differences, agreed to move forward and AD has recommitted to the club for the remainder of the season, what happens next?

Do you continue punishing him? Or do you demonstrate that once an issue has been dealt with, it's dealt with?

To me, this is where leadership comes in. If Benji is of the opinion that he is the the best half in the 17 we have available this week; then it is the right decsion. Discipline isn't about making an example of someone forever. It's about correcting behaviour, resetting expectations and then getting everyone focused back on the job. There is no need to keep punishing people after they've accepted the standard. If you do, you're no longer reinforcing discipline; you're holding grudges.

That's not leadership.

Benji has spent the last two years trying to build a culture based on accountability and standards. If the reason AD was to be moved to lock last week was because he missed the early training reps and we were playing on the Saturday, and he has stated that to the team, then he had to pick him.

Not because AD won; and not because Benji lost. Because that's what consistency looks like.

Imagine the alternative. He made a statement similar to above, AD has accepted whatever was discussed behind closed doors. The club publicly says the matter is resolved. Then Benji leaves him out anyway.

What message does that send to the rest of the team? More importantly, what message does it send to every player manager and every off-contract player watching from outside?

It says once you've made a mistake, there is no a path back. That's not a culture people want to join. I called it this morning; this stopped being about playing lock the moment SM/Moses got involved.

From that point on, this became about protecting the club, protecting the standards and protecting the future. Today's team list tells me one thing. Whatever happened has been dealt with internally and Benji, AD and the club are moving on.

Personally, I still have reservations about AD as a half; but that's a football discussion. This selection was a leadership decision. If it was the right one or not will play out over time.

In my opinion, after sitting back and taking a breath, Benji made a decision consistent with the message he delivered last week. He will pick what he thinks is best for the team on a week to week basis. Now let's see what the messaging is that supports the decsion.

Now Mason onto the pine after his poor performance in cup, and Toa after coming from the field injured after a very average game are the real head scratchers.
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Agree with everything you said Jolls.
 
Jolls said:
I know I am about to set the noose for myself but hear me out. I understand why people are concerned about the selection of AD at half; however, is it really that bad a decision?

I've been one of AD's biggest critics through this whole saga. I've said publicly that if a player refuses to play the position selected by the coach, it's potentially a sackable offence. I also don't think AD is well suited to bing a half.

None of that has changed.

But here's the question you should be asking... What message would Benji have sent if AD wasn't selected today? Now I know you are thinking; he is setting standards, punishment for turning his back on mates etc. I had the saem thoughts initially.

If, as has been reported, they sat down, aired their differences, agreed to move forward and AD has recommitted to the club for the remainder of the season, what happens next?

Do you continue punishing him? Or do you demonstrate that once an issue has been dealt with, it's dealt with?

To me, this is where leadership comes in. If Benji is of the opinion that he is the the best half in the 17 we have available this week; then it is the right decsion. Discipline isn't about making an example of someone forever. It's about correcting behaviour, resetting expectations and then getting everyone focused back on the job. There is no need to keep punishing people after they've accepted the standard. If you do, you're no longer reinforcing discipline; you're holding grudges.

That's not leadership.

Benji has spent the last two years trying to build a culture based on accountability and standards. If the reason AD was to be moved to lock last week was because he missed the early training reps and we were playing on the Saturday, and he has stated that to the team, then he had to pick him.

Not because AD won; and not because Benji lost. Because that's what consistency looks like.

Imagine the alternative. He made a statement similar to above, AD has accepted whatever was discussed behind closed doors. The club publicly says the matter is resolved. Then Benji leaves him out anyway.

What message does that send to the rest of the team? More importantly, what message does it send to every player manager and every off-contract player watching from outside?

It says once you've made a mistake, there is no a path back. That's not a culture people want to join. I called it this morning; this stopped being about playing lock the moment SM/Moses got involved.

From that point on, this became about protecting the club, protecting the standards and protecting the future. Today's team list tells me one thing. Whatever happened has been dealt with internally and Benji, AD and the club are moving on.

Personally, I still have reservations about AD as a half; but that's a football discussion. This selection was a leadership decision. If it was the right one or not will play out over time.

In my opinion, after sitting back and taking a breath, Benji made a decision consistent with the message he delivered last week. He will pick what he thinks is best for the team on a week to week basis. Now let's see what the messaging is that supports the decsion.

Now Mason onto the pine after his poor performance in cup, and Toa after coming from the field injured after a very average game are the real head scratchers.
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I actually have a lot of respect for your opinions on most occassions which are well thought out and articulated.But I really can't get on board with this one.....

AD publicly humiliated the coach the club and his teammates in the media.....

His manager has been leaking to the media for the best part of the week .....

The fact that the rest of the team is onboard with him returning after his poor behaviour highlights the poor culture and lack of standards within the club....

There should be a consequence to his actions and they should be proportionate.....

But to me the response is weak and designed to kick the can down the road.....
 
Flash089 said:
With Douehi at half back the centres and wingers will not see the ball in anything resembling an attacking shape. He doesn’t pass the ball at critical times in attack. That’s his problem
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Also the cross-field kick for tries is a major NRL weapon we don’t have. Madden had a little bit of success.
 
LukeyTuiaki said:
I don’t think many realise how bad this weekend is going to be. There’s the back drop of all the drama… this poor line-up of underperformers, leavers, and tantrum throwers… playing Parra at Parra but it’s our home game. Lucky for 20% of the crowd to be tigers. Club is at an all-time low, although it seems they do excel at finding new lows to sink to.
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There is a strong chance, no , probability of a record score against us, Parra look ok
 
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