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I don't blame Taylor. Don't get me wrong i think he is an inadequate first team coach and glad to see him gone. Regarding the results last year, well a broken clock is right twice a day. I honestly believe the good results were down to individuals not the team playing to a game plan. Everyone was happy after we beat Souths and so they should be winning in any form is good. However lets be realistic, we won because Souths best players got crocked in the first 20 mins and they did not handle that, you only have to see how they performed since.

I put the blame of our current situation solely at the feet of the board, our inept Chairperson and Pascoe. We are either building for the future or playing to win the comp now. If its the latter then why wait until now to let Taylor go and not after we lost games 3-8 last year? If we are rebuilding then what do they know now they didn't on Mad Monday when we again were not in the big show?

I think Cleary is pardon the pun the clear choice for our next coach but he isn't going to come just because we have some promising players and a few so called "superstars". He will want full control and have the facilities he needs to build. We have none of that. We are a basket case… I would love for him to come in lay down the rules to our prima-donnas such as Moses and tell them straight. "You are not as good as you think you are, this is what we will pay you if you don't like it off you go" I would not be to unhappy to see Moses and Brooks go & throw our money at Tedesco and Woods.
 
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I wonder how some of these boys feel about being used as porns… It wont surprise me me to see 1-2 of them sign elsewhere now!
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As a chess player I assure you that it is "pawns" not "porns" that you meant unless….
 
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I wonder how some of these boys feel about being used as porns… It wont surprise me me to see 1-2 of them sign elsewhere now!

As a chess player I assure you that it is "pawns" not "porns" that you meant unless….
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It depends on how you felt after the event?!
 
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Since Taylor has now been sacked and everyone has had their say re his coaching ability,the big four resigning etc etc…

My question is, how come the playing group **showed improvement last year and came 9th on the ladder,**we still have the same basic playing group and it was said what a great year MOSES had and 2017 will be promising,our first game we had a good win and the next two we got hammered,why then can MOSES play like a busted arse and Brooks plays his usual crap with Kev and co and not play as the professional footballers they are???

We can blame Taylor all we like,he is gone,funny how the worst two performances this year co incide with contractual renewals coming up,if I was looking to renew my contract I would have played like an immortal to get the thing signed and then been consistent every game,thats professionalism..if the halves put on a blinder this week then I would say they have been holding back,unfortunately it only makes them look worse than they are as players and humans...says a lot for their manager as well....
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Some don't subscribe to this idea but I do in that Parramatta had points deducted; Roosters had horrific injuries; Manly; dragons and souths were going through significant transitions. In other words everyone fell over. I firmly believe this year will be a much more competitive season (baring significant injuries).

I believe Phil Gould alluded to this point as well.

I believe we lost 8 games in a row last year which only ended when we beat the knights and then 4-5 games in a row at the end of the year. I don't believe that is improvement
 
Conspiracy theories abound, I for one cannot accept that it could be possible that JT is gone simply because it interferes with the contracts of the top players. I can't see any board submitting to the will of the player group unless they agree with the player group.

Because there are arguments and counter-arguments. Maybe the players felt they couldn't improve further under Taylor, but at the same time it might only be Taylor that's keeping the non-improvers / under-performers in first grade. It's a very big risk to orchestrate the removal of someone when you don't have control over who comes in next (both over the individual and the process).

Occam's razor comes up here, the simplest answer is usually the right one. Guys like Broses just aren't that good, aren't consistent enough. Inconsistent players can be sometimes great, but only great players can be normally good. I've seen enough of Broses to be satisfied they are inconsistent, and despite improvements last year for Moses, that was a purple patch in what has otherwise been a difficult learning period for him, he is a real target and sometimes a potential weakness for the side.
 
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Occam's razor comes up here, the simplest answer is usually the right one. Guys like Broses just aren't that good, aren't consistent enough. Inconsistent players can be sometimes great, but only great players can be normally good. I've seen enough of Broses to be satisfied they are inconsistent, and despite improvements last year for Moses, that was a purple patch in what has otherwise been a difficult learning period for him, he is a real target and sometimes a potential weakness for the side.
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Good post. They both may simply not be up to it at this level.
 
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Both Brooks and Moses know that the worst case scenario is they get a huge contract from us. Theres no motivation in regards to their contracts being up.

Its the typical Gen Y. You wouldnt feed them. Millennials are worse.
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Be kind, we'll be paying your pension one day if not already.
 
They are about as consistent as our pack! When the pack dominates they go well when the pack goes nowhere so do they.
 
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Both Brooks and Moses know that the worst case scenario is they get a huge contract from us. Theres no motivation in regards to their contracts being up.

Its the typical Gen Y. You wouldnt feed them. Millennials are worse.

Be kind, we'll be paying your pension one day if not already.
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Unlikely, You will probably avoid it by whinging,
 
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Since Taylor has now been sacked and everyone has had their say re his coaching ability,the big four resigning etc etc…

My question is, how come the playing group showed improvement last year and came 9th on the ladder,we still have the same basic playing group and it was said what a great year MOSES had and 2017 will be promising,our first game we had a good win and the next two we got hammered,why then can MOSES play like a busted arse and Brooks plays his usual crap with Kev and co and not play as the professional footballers they are???

We can blame Taylor all we like,he is gone,funny how the worst two performances this year co incide with contractual renewals coming up,if I was looking to renew my contract I would have played like an immortal to get the thing signed and then been consistent every game,thats professionalism..if the halves put on a blinder this week then I would say they have been holding back,unfortunately it only makes them look worse than they are as players and humans...says a lot for their manager as well....
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The reason we were fortunate enough to "fall" into 9th on the ladder last season, was more good luck than good management :roll We were simply atrocious in the last match of the season against Raiders (no improvement this year either) and we were just lucky to fluke a few of the other games we won (last season)
It would be good to see these brilliant young players aim up for a change, and stop letting themselves down. Stay or leave I say but make up your minds :brick: :brick:
 
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Occam's razor comes up here, the simplest answer is usually the right one. Guys like Broses just aren't that good, aren't consistent enough. Inconsistent players can be sometimes great, but only great players can be normally good. I've seen enough of Broses to be satisfied they are inconsistent, and despite improvements last year for Moses, that was a purple patch in what has otherwise been a difficult learning period for him, he is a real target and sometimes a potential weakness for the side.

Good post. They both may simply not be up to it at this level.
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Not disagreeing with your points just adding a perspective but, they have both been coached by JT the last two years so a lack of improvement may have something to do with the coach. brooks wasn't a superstar but he was learning under potter. With JT they had to change their playing style the first year to Taylorball as its called here and then back again and then again, who knows what the plan was this year.

Also everyone keeps assuming JT was sacked because the 4 didn't want him. What if he was sacked because the 4 did want him and he wanted the 4 but the club didn't want the 4.
 
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Occam's razor comes up here, the simplest answer is usually the right one. Guys like Broses just aren't that good, aren't consistent enough. Inconsistent players can be sometimes great, but only great players can be normally good. I've seen enough of Broses to be satisfied they are inconsistent, and despite improvements last year for Moses, that was a purple patch in what has otherwise been a difficult learning period for him, he is a real target and sometimes a potential weakness for the side.

Good post. They both may simply not be up to it at this level.

Not disagreeing with your points just adding a perspective but, they have both been coached by JT the last two years so a lack of improvement may have something to do with the coach. brooks wasn't a superstar but he was learning under potter. With JT they had to change their playing style the first year to Taylorball as its called here and then back again and then again, who knows what the plan was this year.

Also everyone keeps assuming JT was sacked because the 4 didn't want him. What if he was sacked because the 4 did want him and he wanted the 4 but the club didn't want the 4.
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Is it not widely accepted that Moses improved quite significantly last year?

And Brooks, well there is plenty of argument that he improved from debutant to borderline first-grader over those first seasons and it has held there ever since. Problem though when your performances are continually borderline, any drop in form and they become sub-par. Thurston can afford to have a bad patch of form, unlikely as it is, he is a legend of the game. Luke Brooks cannot afford ongoing bad form.
 
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Since Taylor has now been sacked and everyone has had their say re his coaching ability,the big four resigning etc etc…

My question is, how come the playing group showed improvement last year and came 9th on the ladder,we still have the same basic playing group and it was said what a great year MOSES had and 2017 will be promising,our first game we had a good win and the next two we got hammered,why then can MOSES play like a busted arse and Brooks plays his usual crap with Kev and co and not play as the professional footballers they are???

We can blame Taylor all we like,he is gone,funny how the worst two performances this year co incide with contractual renewals coming up,if I was looking to renew my contract I would have played like an immortal to get the thing signed and then been consistent every game,thats professionalism..if the halves put on a blinder this week then I would say they have been holding back,unfortunately it only makes them look worse than they are as players and humans...says a lot for their manager as well....
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I think we just got unlucky with the draw. If we played Dragons and Cowboys in round 2 and 3, everyone could still have their job and we'd carry on to a similar result to last year.

Of course, that would just paper over the real problem: We didn't look like we would ever be a consistent side with the coach and squad we had. Will a new coach be enough to change things? I have my doubts.

We need a hard head in the pack. I'm not giving up on Brooks, but it's time to consider that we might be better off with a less talented but more consistent half. A reliable outside back would be a godsend.
 
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why did we improve last year? one word: Tedesco.
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And we're so bad at the moment that they're actually making him look average! Didn't know that was possible.. Was sad seeing the look on his face on some of those plays against the raiders.. Moses flicking the ball to him in the in goal unexpectedly, for example. Was a look of bemusement, like are you guys serious??
 
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Occam's razor comes up here, the simplest answer is usually the right one. Guys like Broses just aren't that good, aren't consistent enough. Inconsistent players can be sometimes great, but only great players can be normally good. I've seen enough of Broses to be satisfied they are inconsistent, and despite improvements last year for Moses, that was a purple patch in what has otherwise been a difficult learning period for him, he is a real target and sometimes a potential weakness for the side.

Good post. They both may simply not be up to it at this level.

Not disagreeing with your points just adding a perspective but, they have both been coached by JT the last two years so a lack of improvement may have something to do with the coach. brooks wasn't a superstar but he was learning under potter. With JT they had to change their playing style the first year to Taylorball as its called here and then back again and then again, who knows what the plan was this year.

Also everyone keeps assuming JT was sacked because the 4 didn't want him. What if he was sacked because the 4 did want him and he wanted the 4 but the club didn't want the 4.
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That's a perspective I didn't really think of tbh. But it's the less likely of the two scenarios. We can safely assume the club want to keep Tedesco, and most probably woods too - he's good for the clubs Image, if anything. That just leaves Broses, but since they're mentioned constantly in the same breath the club likely want to hold onto at least one of them too.
 
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Since Taylor has now been sacked and everyone has had their say re his coaching ability,the big four resigning etc etc…

My question is, how come the playing group showed improvement last year and came 9th on the ladder,we still have the same basic playing group and it was said what a great year MOSES had and 2017 will be promising,our first game we had a good win and the next two we got hammered,why then can MOSES play like a busted arse and Brooks plays his usual crap with Kev and co and not play as the professional footballers they are???

We can blame Taylor all we like,he is gone,funny how the worst two performances this year co incide with contractual renewals coming up,if I was looking to renew my contract I would have played like an immortal to get the thing signed and then been consistent every game,thats professionalism..if the halves put on a blinder this week then I would say they have been holding back,unfortunately it only makes them look worse than they are as players and humans...says a lot for their manager as well....
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I agree 100%. I was thinking last night - whats worse - betting on opposition players to score or to tank and have no hope of winning a game to get the coach sacked - would you want either player in your club.
 
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Since Taylor has now been sacked and everyone has had their say re his coaching ability,the big four resigning etc etc…

My question is, how come the playing group **showed improvement last year and came 9th on the ladder,**we still have the same basic playing group and it was said what a great year MOSES had and 2017 will be promising,our first game we had a good win and the next two we got hammered,why then can MOSES play like a busted arse and Brooks plays his usual crap with Kev and co and not play as the professional footballers they are???

We can blame Taylor all we like,he is gone,funny how the worst two performances this year co incide with contractual renewals coming up,if I was looking to renew my contract I would have played like an immortal to get the thing signed and then been consistent every game,thats professionalism..if the halves put on a blinder this week then I would say they have been holding back,unfortunately it only makes them look worse than they are as players and humans...says a lot for their manager as well....

Some don't subscribe to this idea but I do in that Parramatta had points deducted; Roosters had horrific injuries; Manly; dragons and souths were going through significant transitions. In other words everyone fell over. I firmly believe this year will be a much more competitive season (baring significant injuries).

I believe Phil Gould alluded to this point as well.

**I believe we lost 8 games in a row last year which only ended when we beat the knights and then 4-5 games in a row at the end of the year. I don't believe that is improvement**
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Wrong on both counts. It was 6 games in a row and the win came when we beat Souths off a short turnaround after the Raiders hiding. One of the clubs best wins of the last 5 years. And the 4-5 game losing streak at the end of the year is also wrong. After Farah was dropped, the most games we lost in succession was 2.
 
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