Tevita Pangai Junior

[WT46]

Brent Read is saying that TPJ is struggling to make his mind up about which club to join, Tigers or Bulldogs. They expected a decision yesterday but it hasn't come, could possibly happen today he reckons

Probably a case of Tigers offerring more money, but he sees more potential in Dogs.

The potential in Dogs that they get spoon every year. Lol.

 

[CCTW]

The bulldogs have offered more money than the Tigers, but its not by much. Tevita would also get less at the Tigers annually as some would be paid forward this year.

I still have not heard any news in regards to a decision.

 

[teddy23]

I think joffa will play a huge part in us getting Pangai, may be getting in his ear as they’re pretty close mates.

Our forwards are in a better position, whereas at the dogs he’d be there only real threat in the pack which may discourage him a little

 

[rihannafan1]

Brent Read is saying that TPJ is struggling to make his mind up about which club to join, Tigers or Bulldogs. They expected a decision yesterday but it hasn't come, could possibly happen today he reckons

Yes I have my fingers crossed as it would be massive for us. I just think with Gus joining it will tip there way :disappointed:

Gus joining the Bulldogs is good for them but we have Sheens back who is also a drawcard for us.
The fact this is getting drawn out sucks but at least we are for once a serious option. We have a heap of cap space this year, if we don’t use it - it’s lost. Pay him what he wants up this season (keep in mind he has been paid a chunk for the year already) and let’s get it done.

Is Sheens really a drawcard? He didn't exactly attract a ton of elite players when he was here last time, no matter how many players rated him as a coach.

I don’t know about that. Prince, Hodgo, Payten, Richards, Benji, Fatts, Ellis etc not a bad list. Sheens didn’t do a bad job recruitment wise he focused more on youth/juniors.

Mmmm nearly all of those guys were recruited in between 2003-2005 and he was with us another 7 seasons? Ellis off radar, Prince had no other suitors.

Sheens was fine and he's a solid signing but most would take Gould.

 

[teddy23]

The bulldogs have offered more money than the Tigers, but its not by much. Tevita would also get less at the Tigers annually as some would be paid forward this year.

I still have not heard any news in regards to a decision.

Do you know what the figures are by any chance CCTW?

 

[rihannafan1]

Unusually Madge is the drawcard that may get us over the line.

Have you heard that for certain Cochise? If Madge is the drawcard you’d think it would be done as Barrett appears to be the opposite

I have heard that from multiple people.

A few people on here will be disappointed to hear that. He’s been made out to be the reason why we can’t attract players.

You telling us he isn't the reason? What exactly is then? And who should take the responsibility?

We’ve had trouble attracting players since we started. Sheens was the only coach we’ve had that could do it.

When you miss finals for 10 years, players tend to not want to be part of that.

Fair call, I agree with you.

So Madge isn't part of the problem nor is he solving it.

 

[frullens]

I hope tigers put in a last minute call to sway TPJ over the line.
As weird as it sounds, a big win against broncs could help him make up his mind in our favour

 

[Littlebittipsy]

Here's the article...

NRL 2021: Michael Maguire admits rebuilding plan could “kill” him off as Wests Tigers coach

Michael Maguire is keen to sign unwanted Bronco Tevita Pangai Jr as the embattled Wests Tigers coach vowed to push on with a club rebuild he concedes could ultimately lead to his sacking.

In a wide-ranging interview with News Corp, Maguire opened up about the delicate tightrope he is walking between planned success and his potential dismissal as he prepares for Sunday’s clash against the Broncos at Suncorp Stadium.

This clash crystallises the Sliding Doors moment for Maguire. He was interviewed for the Broncos job in 2018, only to lose out to Anthony Seibold in a Red Hill snubbing that paved the way for Maguire to clinch the Tigers post for 2019.

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Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire is determined to drive a youth policy without Band-Aid solutions in pursuit of success.
Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire is determined to drive a youth policy without Band-Aid solutions in pursuit of success.
When Maguire stepped off the Tigers team bus to train at Brisbane‘s old training ground on Saturday, the sight of the Broncos’ opulent $27 million headquarters was a reminder of the resources he could have enjoyed at the NRL’s richest club.

Instead he finds himself plotting the Broncos’ downfall with the struggling Tigers, one of the most maligned teams in the league who many believe should either be relocated to Perth or killed off completely.

But Maguire has no regrets about missing out on the Broncos job and insists he is the coach to deliver the Wests Tigers‘ first premiership since 2005.

“I definitely want to be here,” he said. “It‘s a 24-7 job and I want to be around for the success. I want the Wests Tigers to win another premiership.”

THE REBUILD

There is a view Maguire is a dead-man walking. In April, he was rocked by reports Tigers bosses were set to hold crisis talks about his future, a claim Wests chiefs denied.

In the past three weeks, the Tigers have leaked a whopping 144 points, hitting rock bottom with a dismal 66-16 loss to the Storm that questioned whether Tigers players are responding to Maguire’s intense style.

The 47-year-old is contracted to the Tigers until the end of 2023 and pledged to keep faith in his long-term vision for the Tigers amid calls for his head.

“Look, I know this approach could kill me as a coach,” said Maguire, who broke South Sydney’s 43-year title drought in 2014.

“But I want to set the club up in a way that the Tigers can succeed long term, rather than Band-Aid solutions and quick fixes.

“I understand we are all judged by what happens on the field, which is fair enough, but I‘m determined to build the right foundations so the Tigers can prosper as a club.

“I am enjoying it, but I’ll be honest: this has been the toughest project of changing of a team I’ve experienced. I’ve had to learn a heap around management of the salary cap and its impact on a club.

“I am working hard on developing a stronger squad and that means getting the right people with the right character and the right desires to want to take the club further up the ladder.

“In the past we’ve blown our salary cap and it can set you back years. We can’t afford to do that again.”

KNIVES ARE OUT

A loss to the Broncos on Sunday and the roar for Maguire to be sacked will be deafening. But more than a decade in the coaching furnace has helped Maguire weather the brickbats. He says he is so comfortable he hasn’t asked Tigers bosses if his job is on the line.

“No I haven’t gone to them seeking that (assurances),” he said. ”I am very open with my dialogue with everyone at the club. I don’t go around asking about my future. I understand it’s what the game is about, but I want to be here for the long term.

“I’m handling it (scrutiny of his job) OK. Experience helps you deal with it. That’s the narrative of the game. At some stage, if you are at a club where results ebb and flow, the criticism will come, but I’m focused on building and staying the path.

“I believe I am the right guy for the job.”

THE BRONCOS

Maguire was short-listed for the Broncos job with Seibold, Kevin Walters and Jason Demetriou as Wayne Bennett‘s potential successor. On paper, he was the only coach with an NRL premiership on his resume, but Broncos bosses opted for Seibold, whose appointment turned out to be a disaster.

Now Walters is in the Broncos hot seat Maguire would have relished, but the Tigers mentor is at ease with the way the cards have fallen.

“I have to be careful what I say here,” he says with a laugh. ”Look I had interest in the Broncos job but the club went another way and it opened the opportunity for me at the Tigers.

“I see the Tigers as a massive club and we are similar to the Broncos in scope.

“People don‘t realise the size of area the Tigers have within Sydney. The beauty of the Brisbane market is it gives you the ability to have so many people loving and playing the game and the Broncos have had great resources over the years. Some of the greats of the game have played for the Broncos.

“But I do want to be here at the Tigers. I have put in a lot of work over the last two years with management to take the club to the next level. The club is in better shape than people think.”

PANGAI POWER

The Tigers have tabled an offer for Pangai Jr and Maguire believes he can extract the best of the inconsistent Broncos forward.

“I have no idea if Tevita is coming but I am certainly interested,” he said.

“I don‘t know where it’s at but I would definitely have a player of his calibre.

“I think I can help Tevita become the best he can be and that‘s the environment I want at the club, I want players to be their best and have the right training ethic because that reflects the way you play.

“You look at Joe Ofahengaue (Pangai Jr‘s former teammate), he came here from the Broncos and I’ve been extremely proud of how hard he worked to put himself back in the Origin arena.

“The change has been good for him. He has responded and a new environment can do that for a player.”

EXTINCT TIGERS

Maguire scoffs at calls for the Tigers to be relocated or shut down to reduce the number of Sydney teams.

“This club well and truly has a future in the NRL,” he said.

Maguire insists the erratic Tigers have a future in the NRL.
Maguire insists the erratic Tigers have a future in the NRL.
“Look at Penrith. It took them a while to establish themselves as a premiership contender but they had to pull things apart at the top end to create opportunities for their young players to come through.

“We are building a $65 million high-performance centre that will be finished in January so it will be state of the art. Talk of relocating the club is over the top. People don‘t realise how big this club can be.

“At Souths, we hadn’t won a premiership for 43 years and we broke that drought.

“We have two foundation clubs in Balmain and Wests and when things do rise at the Tigers, we will get enormous momentum.”

Legend, thanks.

 

[GCfan]

I think joffa will play a huge part in us getting Pangai, may be getting in his ear as they’re pretty close mates.

Our forwards are in a better position, whereas at the dogs he’d be there only real threat in the pack which may discourage him a little

I like the look of the Pommy bloke and Hetherington. I don’t see that much upside in our pack to be honest but hopefully TPJ sees it your way.

 

[teddy23]

I think joffa will play a huge part in us getting Pangai, may be getting in his ear as they’re pretty close mates.

Our forwards are in a better position, whereas at the dogs he’d be there only real threat in the pack which may discourage him a little

I like the look of the Pommy bloke and Hetherington. I don’t see that much upside in our pack to be honest but hopefully TPJ sees it your way.

Stefano, Twal, Luciano, Joffa, Blore, Mikaele, Musgrove and even Tuki (who’ll show his ability come Sunday)

We have the youth and talent, just need a marquee kinda styled forward to shape it up nicely especially one with the skillset Pangai possesses which seems to be abilities we struggle with and would be considered as our weaknesses (line speed, offload etc)

 

[GCfan]

I think joffa will play a huge part in us getting Pangai, may be getting in his ear as they’re pretty close mates.

Our forwards are in a better position, whereas at the dogs he’d be there only real threat in the pack which may discourage him a little

I like the look of the Pommy bloke and Hetherington. I don’t see that much upside in our pack to be honest but hopefully TPJ sees it your way.

Stefano, Twal, Luciano, Joffa, Blore, Mikaele, Musgrove and even Tuki (who’ll show his ability come Sunday)

We have the youth and talent, just need a marquee kinda styled forward to shape it up nicely especially one with the skillset Pangai possesses which seems to be abilities we struggle with and would be considered as our weaknesses (line speed, offload etc)

I like the colour of your glasses better, I’m buying a pair

 

[jirskyr]

Instead he finds himself plotting the Broncos’ downfall with the struggling Tigers, one of the most maligned teams in the league who many believe should either be relocated to Perth or killed off completely.

Classic News, always putting the boot in, even as they advertise their own Tigers documentary in the gaps of the article. "Many believe" is as meaningless as "sources say".

 

[rustycage]

Brent Read is saying that TPJ is struggling to make his mind up about which club to join, Tigers or Bulldogs. They expected a decision yesterday but it hasn't come, could possibly happen today he reckons

Yes I have my fingers crossed as it would be massive for us. I just think with Gus joining it will tip there way :disappointed:

Gus joining the Bulldogs is good for them but we have Sheens back who is also a drawcard for us.
The fact this is getting drawn out sucks but at least we are for once a serious option. We have a heap of cap space this year, if we don’t use it - it’s lost. Pay him what he wants up this season (keep in mind he has been paid a chunk for the year already) and let’s get it done.

Is Sheens really a drawcard? He didn't exactly attract a ton of elite players when he was here last time, no matter how many players rated him as a coach.

I don’t know about that. Prince, Hodgo, Payten, Richards, Benji, Fatts, Ellis etc not a bad list. Sheens didn’t do a bad job recruitment wise he focused more on youth/juniors.

None of those were elite players prior to coming over to WT.

 

[cochise]

Brent Read is saying that TPJ is struggling to make his mind up about which club to join, Tigers or Bulldogs. They expected a decision yesterday but it hasn't come, could possibly happen today he reckons

Yes I have my fingers crossed as it would be massive for us. I just think with Gus joining it will tip there way :disappointed:

Gus joining the Bulldogs is good for them but we have Sheens back who is also a drawcard for us.
The fact this is getting drawn out sucks but at least we are for once a serious option. We have a heap of cap space this year, if we don’t use it - it’s lost. Pay him what he wants up this season (keep in mind he has been paid a chunk for the year already) and let’s get it done.

Is Sheens really a drawcard? He didn't exactly attract a ton of elite players when he was here last time, no matter how many players rated him as a coach.

I don’t know about that. Prince, Hodgo, Payten, Richards, Benji, Fatts, Ellis etc not a bad list. Sheens didn’t do a bad job recruitment wise he focused more on youth/juniors.


None of those were elite players prior to coming over to WT.

Hodgo was a State of Origin player?

 

[rustycage]

Brent Read is saying that TPJ is struggling to make his mind up about which club to join, Tigers or Bulldogs. They expected a decision yesterday but it hasn't come, could possibly happen today he reckons

Yes I have my fingers crossed as it would be massive for us. I just think with Gus joining it will tip there way :disappointed:

Gus joining the Bulldogs is good for them but we have Sheens back who is also a drawcard for us.
The fact this is getting drawn out sucks but at least we are for once a serious option. We have a heap of cap space this year, if we don’t use it - it’s lost. Pay him what he wants up this season (keep in mind he has been paid a chunk for the year already) and let’s get it done.

Is Sheens really a drawcard? He didn't exactly attract a ton of elite players when he was here last time, no matter how many players rated him as a coach.

I don’t know about that. Prince, Hodgo, Payten, Richards, Benji, Fatts, Ellis etc not a bad list. Sheens didn’t do a bad job recruitment wise he focused more on youth/juniors.


None of those were elite players prior to coming over to WT.

Hodgo was a State of Origin player?

Sure, and whilst I loved him playing for us, at the time I wouldn't say his signing was a massive one like a Latrell or TPJ or similar.

 

[jadtiger]

Brent Read is saying that TPJ is struggling to make his mind up about which club to join, Tigers or Bulldogs. They expected a decision yesterday but it hasn't come, could possibly happen today he reckons

Yes I have my fingers crossed as it would be massive for us. I just think with Gus joining it will tip there way :disappointed:

Gus joining the Bulldogs is good for them but we have Sheens back who is also a drawcard for us.
The fact this is getting drawn out sucks but at least we are for once a serious option. We have a heap of cap space this year, if we don’t use it - it’s lost. Pay him what he wants up this season (keep in mind he has been paid a chunk for the year already) and let’s get it done.

Is Sheens really a drawcard? He didn't exactly attract a ton of elite players when he was here last time, no matter how many players rated him as a coach.

I don’t know about that. Prince, Hodgo, Payten, Richards, Benji, Fatts, Ellis etc not a bad list. Sheens didn’t do a bad job recruitment wise he focused more on youth/juniors.


None of those were elite players prior to coming over to WT.

Ellis was,every time we played England he was one of the best if not the best forward on the field

 

[avocadoontoast]

Brent Read is saying that TPJ is struggling to make his mind up about which club to join, Tigers or Bulldogs. They expected a decision yesterday but it hasn't come, could possibly happen today he reckons

Yes I have my fingers crossed as it would be massive for us. I just think with Gus joining it will tip there way :disappointed:

Gus joining the Bulldogs is good for them but we have Sheens back who is also a drawcard for us.
The fact this is getting drawn out sucks but at least we are for once a serious option. We have a heap of cap space this year, if we don’t use it - it’s lost. Pay him what he wants up this season (keep in mind he has been paid a chunk for the year already) and let’s get it done.

Is Sheens really a drawcard? He didn't exactly attract a ton of elite players when he was here last time, no matter how many players rated him as a coach.

I don’t know about that. Prince, Hodgo, Payten, Richards, Benji, Fatts, Ellis etc not a bad list. Sheens didn’t do a bad job recruitment wise he focused more on youth/juniors.


None of those were elite players prior to coming over to WT.

Hodgo was a State of Origin player?


Sure, and whilst I loved him playing for us, at the time I wouldn't say his signing was a massive one like a Latrell or TPJ or similar.

He may not have been as high profile as Mitchell but he was an elite player - one of the best fullbacks in the game without question.

 

[cochise]

Brent Read is saying that TPJ is struggling to make his mind up about which club to join, Tigers or Bulldogs. They expected a decision yesterday but it hasn't come, could possibly happen today he reckons

Yes I have my fingers crossed as it would be massive for us. I just think with Gus joining it will tip there way :disappointed:

Gus joining the Bulldogs is good for them but we have Sheens back who is also a drawcard for us.
The fact this is getting drawn out sucks but at least we are for once a serious option. We have a heap of cap space this year, if we don’t use it - it’s lost. Pay him what he wants up this season (keep in mind he has been paid a chunk for the year already) and let’s get it done.

Is Sheens really a drawcard? He didn't exactly attract a ton of elite players when he was here last time, no matter how many players rated him as a coach.

I don’t know about that. Prince, Hodgo, Payten, Richards, Benji, Fatts, Ellis etc not a bad list. Sheens didn’t do a bad job recruitment wise he focused more on youth/juniors.


None of those were elite players prior to coming over to WT.

Hodgo was a State of Origin player?


Sure, and whilst I loved him playing for us, at the time I wouldn't say his signing was a massive one like a Latrell or TPJ or similar.

He was 100% an elite player at the Eels

 

[rustycage]

Brent Read is saying that TPJ is struggling to make his mind up about which club to join, Tigers or Bulldogs. They expected a decision yesterday but it hasn't come, could possibly happen today he reckons

Yes I have my fingers crossed as it would be massive for us. I just think with Gus joining it will tip there way :disappointed:

Gus joining the Bulldogs is good for them but we have Sheens back who is also a drawcard for us.
The fact this is getting drawn out sucks but at least we are for once a serious option. We have a heap of cap space this year, if we don’t use it - it’s lost. Pay him what he wants up this season (keep in mind he has been paid a chunk for the year already) and let’s get it done.

Is Sheens really a drawcard? He didn't exactly attract a ton of elite players when he was here last time, no matter how many players rated him as a coach.

I don’t know about that. Prince, Hodgo, Payten, Richards, Benji, Fatts, Ellis etc not a bad list. Sheens didn’t do a bad job recruitment wise he focused more on youth/juniors.


None of those were elite players prior to coming over to WT.

Hodgo was a State of Origin player?


Sure, and whilst I loved him playing for us, at the time I wouldn't say his signing was a massive one like a Latrell or TPJ or similar.

He was 100% an elite player at the Eels

hmm...I don't remember him being that highly regarded at the time. That's not to take away for how brilliant he was for us.

 

[Enmore_Tiger]

Brent Read is saying that TPJ is struggling to make his mind up about which club to join, Tigers or Bulldogs. They expected a decision yesterday but it hasn't come, could possibly happen today he reckons

Yes I have my fingers crossed as it would be massive for us. I just think with Gus joining it will tip there way :disappointed:

Gus joining the Bulldogs is good for them but we have Sheens back who is also a drawcard for us.
The fact this is getting drawn out sucks but at least we are for once a serious option. We have a heap of cap space this year, if we don’t use it - it’s lost. Pay him what he wants up this season (keep in mind he has been paid a chunk for the year already) and let’s get it done.

Is Sheens really a drawcard? He didn't exactly attract a ton of elite players when he was here last time, no matter how many players rated him as a coach.

Did Sheens have a full salary cap to spend?