Tevita Pangai Junior

[jirskyr]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

Melbourne Storm
Penrith Panthers

Almost entirely self-built rosters, up-skilled players, young recruitments who have been in the system and played together for a significant period of time.

Also miles in front of any other team in the entire comp. The blueprint is there.

 

[happy_tiger]

TPJ’s management have been informed we are no longer in the mix. Door firmly closed.

Not a good start to the day for us Tigers fans again...
I understand them not paying overs but surely they know we are NOT a desired club ATM and will keep getting this outcome until something changes or a player has no other options. @THE_POM
Fingers crossed they are at least looking at Dale finucane as its pointless having all this money and not getting a player we desperately need like him - Experienced campaigner

Appreciate the update and if there is others we are looking at we would love to know.

Be careful ...your starting to sound reactionary again .....

Starting to sound? It's nothing but reactionary. To paraphrase "I understand not paying overs but we need to sign someone". The concept is contradictory - you don't understand not paying overs if your priority is making "a signing".

The type of recruitment drive that some fans are asking for June 2021 ("please please sign a big name, please") is exactly what Ivan did in 2017 and has put a bullet in our roster efforts for the past 4 seasons. Packer and Mbye and Reynolds and Matulino - the forum was fine with the decisions, the size of the decisions, the length of the decisions, the "feel good" factor of doing some shopping and buying, and not one of those players turned out good value for money, driven by the coach who (we didn't know) had one eye on the door.

Well eventually ...as i said in the next post ...we have to spend approximately 94% of our cap for 2022 ....or we get fined ......and based on our season I wouldn't be rushing to upgrade anyone in our Top 30 ....as far as supply and demand go .....things get grimmer by the day ...people should be worried ...we finally have a war chest at the worst possible time recruitment wise and form wise .....

No doubt you will disagree and refuse to see that point .....

You don't ever have to pay overs for anyone.

If you do, OK, then at what risk? Of course nobody will argue that some players aren't worth taking the risk of paying overs. Top tier players I think fall into that category. Question is - is TPJ worth taking a risk on paying overs? Is TPJ a top-tier player? IMO no.

I don't want TPJ either .....but we have ended up having a war chest at exactly the wrong time to have a war chest ..especially when we look like bottom 4 material ......

 

[jirskyr]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

Fans have been waiting over a decade. Asking them to wait another 5 years for the administration to sort out the mess they created in the first place is asking too much.

Time to give it away then

And in 5 years when they’ve failed again, do we give them another 5 years?

All we get from this club is bullshit excuses. It will wear thin on everyone eventually.

I don't understand how 2021 is the breaking point for some fans. Either Balmain or Wests, it's 30 years of not making a consistent impact. Magpies had a little flutter in the 90s, WT had two good stints, the rest of it sub-optimal.

It's not acceptable but it is normal. Surely the time for "wearing thin" was past many many years ago.

 

[balmain boy]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

Melbourne Storm
Penrith Panthers

Almost entirely self-built rosters, up-skilled players, young recruitments who have been in the system and played together for a significant period of time.

Also miles in front of any other team in the entire comp. The blueprint is there.

But they're introducing young players to a system with established stars alongside them. We throw them into the chaos of a WT team with no gameplan and no stars to pull a rabbit out and get us wins.

It's not the same thing.

 

[happy_tiger]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

Fans have been waiting over a decade. Asking them to wait another 5 years for the administration to sort out the mess they created in the first place is asking too much.

Time to give it away then

And in 5 years when they’ve failed again, do we give them another 5 years?

All we get from this club is bullshit excuses. It will wear thin on everyone eventually.

I don't understand how 2021 is the breaking point for some fans. Either Balmain or Wests, it's 30 years of not making a consistent impact. Magpies had a little flutter in the 90s, WT had two good stints, the rest of it sub-optimal.

It's not acceptable but it is normal. Surely the time for "wearing thin" was past many many years ago.

Aren't you amazed many fans have hung on so long ......I don't get your anger at fans for finally being over it all

 

[hobbo1]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

Fans have been waiting over a decade. Asking them to wait another 5 years for the administration to sort out the mess they created in the first place is asking too much.

Time to give it away then

And in 5 years when they’ve failed again, do we give them another 5 years?

All we get from this club is bullshit excuses. It will wear thin on everyone eventually.

The shit starts at the top ..
The club don’t give a toss ..
To them it’s just a business/making money rather than being a footy club .
Making $100k profit outweighs on field performances..
We need footy heads running the show not burnt out rockers and lawyers

 

[BAGNF05]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

Fans have been waiting over a decade. Asking them to wait another 5 years for the administration to sort out the mess they created in the first place is asking too much.

Time to give it away then

And in 5 years when they’ve failed again, do we give them another 5 years?

All we get from this club is bullshit excuses. It will wear thin on everyone eventually.

I don't understand how 2021 is the breaking point for some fans. Either Balmain or Wests, it's 30 years of not making a consistent impact. Magpies had a little flutter in the 90s, WT had two good stints, the rest of it sub-optimal.

It's not acceptable but it is normal. Surely the time for "wearing thin" was past many many years ago.

It’s the nature of the losses for me, conceding 60 points in 50 minutes. Why should we care when the people employed by the club don’t appear to. An apology to members would have been appropriate.

 

[jirskyr]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

Melbourne Storm
Penrith Panthers

Almost entirely self-built rosters, up-skilled players, young recruitments who have been in the system and played together for a significant period of time.

Also miles in front of any other team in the entire comp. The blueprint is there.

But they're introducing young players to a system with established stars alongside them. We throw them into the chaos of a WT team with no gameplan and no stars to pull a rabbit out and get us wins.

It's not the same thing.

Who were Penrith's established stars 2018-2019 before they came good? James Maloney? The team only started to make an impact when they gave some of the more experienced players a tap on the shoulder.

And yes Melbourne have established stars - ones they grew themselves. They also have arguably the greatest club coach of all time, so of course it's not identical. But it is a blueprint. Melbourne didn't sign the stars at the beginning - their only big-name sign on was Glenn Lazarus. But they recruited smartly after Super League (basically the bones of the Mariners and the Western Reds).

 

[Demps]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

Fans have been waiting over a decade. Asking them to wait another 5 years for the administration to sort out the mess they created in the first place is asking too much.

Time to give it away then

And in 5 years when they’ve failed again, do we give them another 5 years?

All we get from this club is bullshit excuses. It will wear thin on everyone eventually.

The shit starts at the top ..
The club don’t give a toss ..
To them it’s just a business/making money rather than being a footy club .
Making $100k profit outweighs on field performances..
We need footy heads running the show not burnt out rockers and lawyers

Calling Roberto Farah...
?....

 

[yeahcaz]

Lol saying good on us for not paying is just crap. We are not the roosters or Storm, we have to pay overs for players it’s as simple as that and so we should, why would any half decent player want to come here on low coin to prove a point? Last 2 blokes that have done that playing in the centres didn’t work out so well did they ? At least we will well and truely set the record for most years without a finals appearance. No other club would just stand around that long and keep letting it happen

 

[full80]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

Melbourne Storm
Penrith Panthers

Almost entirely self-built rosters, up-skilled players, young recruitments who have been in the system and played together for a significant period of time.

Also miles in front of any other team in the entire comp. The blueprint is there.

But they're introducing young players to a system with established stars alongside them. We throw them into the chaos of a WT team with no gameplan and no stars to pull a rabbit out and get us wins.

It's not the same thing.

It's true about Storm but I do wonder about how much of their success was built on the multi-year salary rorting which allowed them to keep great players together, and help create the successful brand they have now and that attracts top juniors.

 

[hobbo1]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

Fans have been waiting over a decade. Asking them to wait another 5 years for the administration to sort out the mess they created in the first place is asking too much.

Time to give it away then

And in 5 years when they’ve failed again, do we give them another 5 years?

All we get from this club is bullshit excuses. It will wear thin on everyone eventually.

The shit starts at the top ..
The club don’t give a toss ..
To them it’s just a business/making money rather than being a footy club .
Making $100k profit outweighs on field performances..
We need footy heads running the show not burnt out rockers and lawyers

Calling Roberto Farah...
?....

Couldn’t do any worse

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

TPJ’s management have been informed we are no longer in the mix. Door firmly closed.

You would hope this means we have something else going on in the background.

There's always some movement happening behind the scenes

 

[jirskyr]

TPJ’s management have been informed we are no longer in the mix. Door firmly closed.

Not a good start to the day for us Tigers fans again...
I understand them not paying overs but surely they know we are NOT a desired club ATM and will keep getting this outcome until something changes or a player has no other options. @THE_POM
Fingers crossed they are at least looking at Dale finucane as its pointless having all this money and not getting a player we desperately need like him - Experienced campaigner

Appreciate the update and if there is others we are looking at we would love to know.

Be careful ...your starting to sound reactionary again .....

Starting to sound? It's nothing but reactionary. To paraphrase "I understand not paying overs but we need to sign someone". The concept is contradictory - you don't understand not paying overs if your priority is making "a signing".

The type of recruitment drive that some fans are asking for June 2021 ("please please sign a big name, please") is exactly what Ivan did in 2017 and has put a bullet in our roster efforts for the past 4 seasons. Packer and Mbye and Reynolds and Matulino - the forum was fine with the decisions, the size of the decisions, the length of the decisions, the "feel good" factor of doing some shopping and buying, and not one of those players turned out good value for money, driven by the coach who (we didn't know) had one eye on the door.

Well eventually ...as i said in the next post ...we have to spend approximately 94% of our cap for 2022 ....or we get fined ......and based on our season I wouldn't be rushing to upgrade anyone in our Top 30 ....as far as supply and demand go .....things get grimmer by the day ...people should be worried ...we finally have a war chest at the worst possible time recruitment wise and form wise .....

No doubt you will disagree and refuse to see that point .....

You don't ever have to pay overs for anyone.

If you do, OK, then at what risk? Of course nobody will argue that some players aren't worth taking the risk of paying overs. Top tier players I think fall into that category. Question is - is TPJ worth taking a risk on paying overs? Is TPJ a top-tier player? IMO no.

I don't want TPJ either .....but we have ended up having a war chest at exactly the wrong time to have a war chest ..especially when we look like bottom 4 material ......

Never a wrong time for a war chest mate. It's like saying it's the wrong time to have a million dollars.

 

[Demps]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

Fans have been waiting over a decade. Asking them to wait another 5 years for the administration to sort out the mess they created in the first place is asking too much.

Time to give it away then

And in 5 years when they’ve failed again, do we give them another 5 years?

All we get from this club is bullshit excuses. It will wear thin on everyone eventually.

The shit starts at the top ..
The club don’t give a toss ..
To them it’s just a business/making money rather than being a footy club .
Making $100k profit outweighs on field performances..
We need footy heads running the show not burnt out rockers and lawyers

Calling Roberto Farah...
?....

Couldn’t do any worse

Tim Sheens -
Brett Kimmorley
Robert Farah
John Morris
Ben Gardiner
Michael Cheika

Michael Maguire (NSW Cup head coach)

Powerhouse team.

 

[jirskyr]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

Fans have been waiting over a decade. Asking them to wait another 5 years for the administration to sort out the mess they created in the first place is asking too much.

Time to give it away then

And in 5 years when they’ve failed again, do we give them another 5 years?

All we get from this club is bullshit excuses. It will wear thin on everyone eventually.

I don't understand how 2021 is the breaking point for some fans. Either Balmain or Wests, it's 30 years of not making a consistent impact. Magpies had a little flutter in the 90s, WT had two good stints, the rest of it sub-optimal.

It's not acceptable but it is normal. Surely the time for "wearing thin" was past many many years ago.

Aren't you amazed many fans have hung on so long ......I don't get your anger at fans for finally being over it all

I'm not angry at all. I just don't get it - I don't understand to have hung on so long, but 2021 is the final straw. People are always saying it's the final straw, not good enough etc., the fans always come back.

 

[Demps]

Let's win a comp baybeeee


 

[ElleryHanley]

Absolute nonsense to think we had 'doubts' about him at this stage. Everyone knows who he is.

Reality is the Dogs are sitting there with that offer the Pom mentioned and they have snuck in yet again to take one off us whilst we jogged on the spot.

Burton
JAC
TPJ

They invariably get their man, we don't...

Us saying "have doubts, we are out" is saving face. Nothing else.

 

[BAGNF05]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

Fans have been waiting over a decade. Asking them to wait another 5 years for the administration to sort out the mess they created in the first place is asking too much.

Time to give it away then

And in 5 years when they’ve failed again, do we give them another 5 years?

All we get from this club is bullshit excuses. It will wear thin on everyone eventually.

I don't understand how 2021 is the breaking point for some fans. Either Balmain or Wests, it's 30 years of not making a consistent impact. Magpies had a little flutter in the 90s, WT had two good stints, the rest of it sub-optimal.

It's not acceptable but it is normal. Surely the time for "wearing thin" was past many many years ago.

Aren't you amazed many fans have hung on so long ......I don't get your anger at fans for finally being over it all

I'm not angry at all. I just don't get it - I don't understand to have hung on so long, but 2021 is the final straw. People are always saying it's the final straw, not good enough etc., they always come back.

Not going anywhere just want new people to fix it

 

[happy_tiger]

TPJ’s management have been informed we are no longer in the mix. Door firmly closed.

Not a good start to the day for us Tigers fans again...
I understand them not paying overs but surely they know we are NOT a desired club ATM and will keep getting this outcome until something changes or a player has no other options. @THE_POM
Fingers crossed they are at least looking at Dale finucane as its pointless having all this money and not getting a player we desperately need like him - Experienced campaigner

Appreciate the update and if there is others we are looking at we would love to know.

Be careful ...your starting to sound reactionary again .....

Starting to sound? It's nothing but reactionary. To paraphrase "I understand not paying overs but we need to sign someone". The concept is contradictory - you don't understand not paying overs if your priority is making "a signing".

The type of recruitment drive that some fans are asking for June 2021 ("please please sign a big name, please") is exactly what Ivan did in 2017 and has put a bullet in our roster efforts for the past 4 seasons. Packer and Mbye and Reynolds and Matulino - the forum was fine with the decisions, the size of the decisions, the length of the decisions, the "feel good" factor of doing some shopping and buying, and not one of those players turned out good value for money, driven by the coach who (we didn't know) had one eye on the door.

Well eventually ...as i said in the next post ...we have to spend approximately 94% of our cap for 2022 ....or we get fined ......and based on our season I wouldn't be rushing to upgrade anyone in our Top 30 ....as far as supply and demand go .....things get grimmer by the day ...people should be worried ...we finally have a war chest at the worst possible time recruitment wise and form wise .....

No doubt you will disagree and refuse to see that point .....

You don't ever have to pay overs for anyone.

If you do, OK, then at what risk? Of course nobody will argue that some players aren't worth taking the risk of paying overs. Top tier players I think fall into that category. Question is - is TPJ worth taking a risk on paying overs? Is TPJ a top-tier player? IMO no.

I don't want TPJ either .....but we have ended up having a war chest at exactly the wrong time to have a war chest ..especially when we look like bottom 4 material ......

Never a wrong time for a war chest mate. It's like saying it's the wrong time to have a million dollars.

And spend it on who exactly ..overpay juniors ....buy players at basically the same standard we already have .........

If we can't sign a Top 15-20 with this war chest ...something is seriously wrong ....true ??