Tevita Pangai Junior

[Geo]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

Fans have been waiting over a decade. Asking them to wait another 5 years for the administration to sort out the mess they created in the first place is asking too much.

Time to give it away then

And in 5 years when they’ve failed again, do we give them another 5 years?

All we get from this club is bullshit excuses. It will wear thin on everyone eventually.

It’s what they have to do is all I said…it’s not an excuse it’s the course of action they have to take.. the ball is already rolling in that direction .. same thing happened the last time we had anything close to success in 2010/11 the 2007/ 8 NYC was strong.. a lot of those guys went on to play FG and still are…Flegg currently leading the comp.. junior recruiting from other areas are showing results..

 

[voice_of_reason]

An extra $100k over TPJ buys you a genuine game changer EVERY game who stays on the field and doesnt mix with bikie gangs..
..Brandon Smith..now the best hooker in the NRL
I know weve got 2 already,but...

I'm not sure why someone would downvote this but I've squared it up.

I've been spruiking since last year that Brandon Smith is exactly what we need. Tough, smart, professional, versatile, popular amongst his peers and at 25 he's in his prime. He's a player's player.

If he hasn't agreed to terms with someone else I'd offer him a blank cheque. I'm not sure $800k would get him here but if I was going to pay overs for anyone it would be him.

 

[avocadoontoast]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

Fans have been waiting over a decade. Asking them to wait another 5 years for the administration to sort out the mess they created in the first place is asking too much.

Time to give it away then

And in 5 years when they’ve failed again, do we give them another 5 years?

All we get from this club is bullshit excuses. It will wear thin on everyone eventually.

It’s what they have to do is all I said…it’s not an excuse it’s the course of action they have to take.. the ball is already rolling in that direction .. same thing happened the last time we had anything close to success in 2010/11 the 2007/ 8 NYC was strong.. a lot of those guys went on to play FG and still are…Flegg currently leading the comp.. junior recruiting from other areas are showing results..

Well let’s see. I have zero faith they will succeed

 

[hsvjones]

An extra $100k over TPJ buys you a genuine game changer EVERY game who stays on the field and doesnt mix with bikie gangs..
..Brandon Smith..now the best hooker in the NRL
I know weve got 2 already,but...


I'm not sure why someone would downvote this but I've squared it up.

I've been spruiking since last year that Brandon Smith is exactly what we need. Tough, smart, professional, versatile, popular amongst his peers and at 25 he's in his prime. He's a player's player.

If he hasn't agreed to terms with someone else I'd offer him a blank cheque. I'm not sure $800k would get him here but if I was going to pay overs for anyone it would be him.

If we were to get him others would follow... Would love to see him here

 

[BAGNF05]

Paying overs for inconsistent players is not how you turn a club into being successful

you are 100% correct but you will never win a comp with all juniors in a side because they need the guidance and experience for which we lack.. I personally think we are holding onto the bad decisions of the past E.g Reynolds / Packer and we need to more on. We just need to get the 1st high profile one to start the domino effect but they will not come here for peanuts and I cannot blame them.
As a club we have ample money available and need to take a risk because it doesn't roll over to the next year. I am not saying pay TPJ or Funicane 900k but if we offered Funicane 650k for the 3 years he wants I think he would do wonders to these young guys both on and off the field. Call it an investment into all these young players we brought as they are currently looking up to Packer and Mbye.. let that sink in.

Ask Penrith how they are going with their juniors.

Haven't won a comp yet but they will soon.. They also have some experienced players that help lead the team.

But were the experienced players "Marquee" players when they signed them?

I followed up on this one last night and said they had some quality premiership players like Tamou, Zane Tetevano, Mansour, Malony, API, Capewell, Fisher Harris. Not all classed as Marquee but they had a lot of experience in SOO or Rep level games to assist in there development..
But the biggest thing Panthers have is they have most of the core squad playing juniors together and it shows now as they understand each other. We as a club are trying to do this with the juniors and have done a excellent job the last 2 years but my point was I think we need some experienced players like the Panther had to help them through difficult times - E.g. Panthers 2 years ago started the season off terrible ( i think they were 1-10 or something like that) and the leadership they had helped them through it and look at them now.
Good luck to them as they are looking very good for years to come.

And you can’t expect to repeat their success either, probably the most talented batch of junior to come through at a club together in history.

 

[BAGNF05]

An extra $100k over TPJ buys you a genuine game changer EVERY game who stays on the field and doesnt mix with bikie gangs..
..Brandon Smith..now the best hooker in the NRL
I know weve got 2 already,but...


I'm not sure why someone would downvote this but I've squared it up.

I've been spruiking since last year that Brandon Smith is exactly what we need. Tough, smart, professional, versatile, popular amongst his peers and at 25 he's in his prime. He's a player's player.

If he hasn't agreed to terms with someone else I'd offer him a blank cheque. I'm not sure $800k would get him here but if I was going to pay overs for anyone it would be him.

Also a bit of beau ryan/Liam Fulton about him. Every workplace needs a clown or two.

 

[hsvjones]

Paying overs for inconsistent players is not how you turn a club into being successful

you are 100% correct but you will never win a comp with all juniors in a side because they need the guidance and experience for which we lack.. I personally think we are holding onto the bad decisions of the past E.g Reynolds / Packer and we need to more on. We just need to get the 1st high profile one to start the domino effect but they will not come here for peanuts and I cannot blame them.
As a club we have ample money available and need to take a risk because it doesn't roll over to the next year. I am not saying pay TPJ or Funicane 900k but if we offered Funicane 650k for the 3 years he wants I think he would do wonders to these young guys both on and off the field. Call it an investment into all these young players we brought as they are currently looking up to Packer and Mbye.. let that sink in.

Ask Penrith how they are going with their juniors.

Haven't won a comp yet but they will soon.. They also have some experienced players that help lead the team.

But were the experienced players "Marquee" players when they signed them?

I followed up on this one last night and said they had some quality premiership players like Tamou, Zane Tetevano, Mansour, Malony, API, Capewell, Fisher Harris. Not all classed as Marquee but they had a lot of experience in SOO or Rep level games to assist in there development..
But the biggest thing Panthers have is they have most of the core squad playing juniors together and it shows now as they understand each other. We as a club are trying to do this with the juniors and have done a excellent job the last 2 years but my point was I think we need some experienced players like the Panther had to help them through difficult times - E.g. Panthers 2 years ago started the season off terrible ( i think they were 1-10 or something like that) and the leadership they had helped them through it and look at them now.
Good luck to them as they are looking very good for years to come.

And you can’t expect to repeat their success either, probably the most talented batch of junior to come through at a club together in history.

There only recruitment blunder if you could call it that is if they had there time over again they would of kept Burton over May.. They are one of the happiest teams I have seen in a long time.

 

[BAGNF05]

Paying overs for inconsistent players is not how you turn a club into being successful

you are 100% correct but you will never win a comp with all juniors in a side because they need the guidance and experience for which we lack.. I personally think we are holding onto the bad decisions of the past E.g Reynolds / Packer and we need to more on. We just need to get the 1st high profile one to start the domino effect but they will not come here for peanuts and I cannot blame them.
As a club we have ample money available and need to take a risk because it doesn't roll over to the next year. I am not saying pay TPJ or Funicane 900k but if we offered Funicane 650k for the 3 years he wants I think he would do wonders to these young guys both on and off the field. Call it an investment into all these young players we brought as they are currently looking up to Packer and Mbye.. let that sink in.

Ask Penrith how they are going with their juniors.

Haven't won a comp yet but they will soon.. They also have some experienced players that help lead the team.

But were the experienced players "Marquee" players when they signed them?

I followed up on this one last night and said they had some quality premiership players like Tamou, Zane Tetevano, Mansour, Malony, API, Capewell, Fisher Harris. Not all classed as Marquee but they had a lot of experience in SOO or Rep level games to assist in there development..
But the biggest thing Panthers have is they have most of the core squad playing juniors together and it shows now as they understand each other. We as a club are trying to do this with the juniors and have done a excellent job the last 2 years but my point was I think we need some experienced players like the Panther had to help them through difficult times - E.g. Panthers 2 years ago started the season off terrible ( i think they were 1-10 or something like that) and the leadership they had helped them through it and look at them now.
Good luck to them as they are looking very good for years to come.

And you can’t expect to repeat their success either, probably the most talented batch of junior to come through at a club together in history.

There only recruitment blunder if you could call it that is if they had there time over again they would of kept Burton over May.. They are one of the happiest teams I have seen in a long time.

Burton hasn’t left yet... still not convinced he’ll go.

 

[Cairnstigers]

What's the good news today

 

[BAGNF05]

What's the good news today

We don’t play tonight

 

[weststigerman]

What's the good news today

We didn't get stuck with another contract with an inconsistent player.

 

[balmain boy]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

We can't keep waiting another 2-3 years though. We need players who can make an immediate impact while the youngsters are getting used to first grade. And then if they don't make it it's another few years of failure and starting that whole process again.

 

[Demps]

Ohwell, NEXT

This one isn't a heart breaker.

 

[Demps]

Ohwell, NEXT

This one isn't a heart breaker.

 

[balmain boy]

I like this version of the Wests Tigers. won't be pressured into paying overs or tacking extra years on the back of contracts and worsening our situation. instead, biding our time, keeping our cash in the back pocket and sitting back and waiting for the right opportunity.

thanks Adam, you're actually instilling some integrity and respect into this organisation.

That theory only works if you end up getting a better deal later. If we sign no one and pay our current players more than they're worth then it backfires spectacularly.

 

[TheDaBoss]

What's the good news today

We don’t play tonight

We r the last game on sunday though...ugh

 

[balmain boy]

I get what Hartigan is trying to achieve, but we're not the Roosters and he's negotiating like we are.

700k is a gamble, but I'd take this gamble over the one we took on Packer, Reynolds and Mbye.

We need strike power. TPJ is a game changer on his own. We can grow our own leaders and culture off the back of it.

Disappointed.

This is the issue, we can play the honourable card and not get mixed up in drawn out negotiations but we're going to be spending this money on somebody. We can't keep front loading contracts every yeah, we need to use our balance to sign quality because we don't have much of it.

Officially pulling out also means other clubs could get him for cheaper as there's less competition. It's just stupid.

 

[happy_tiger]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

Fans have been waiting over a decade. Asking them to wait another 5 years for the administration to sort out the mess they created in the first place is asking too much.

Time to give it away then

Again it comes back to my point

NRL gives us even 5 years to sort it out or kick us out

 

[BAGNF05]

You develop Tuki Simpkins to be our Pangai Jnr.. you develop Tuilagi to be our Dale Funicane already here .. at a fraction of the cost

That is the route we have no choice in taking …paying overs for names has failed every time…Getting players already in the system playing over their pay grade is the choice they have made…just means we have to wait unfortunately ..

We can't keep waiting another 2-3 years though. We need players who can make an immediate impact while the youngsters are getting used to first grade. And then if they don't make it it's another few years of failure and starting that whole process again.

Players learn from other players, Tuki won’t develop unless he has real pros to show him the ropes. Just my opinion, hope I’m proven wrong.

 

[jirskyr]

TPJ’s management have been informed we are no longer in the mix. Door firmly closed.

Not a good start to the day for us Tigers fans again...
I understand them not paying overs but surely they know we are NOT a desired club ATM and will keep getting this outcome until something changes or a player has no other options. @THE_POM
Fingers crossed they are at least looking at Dale finucane as its pointless having all this money and not getting a player we desperately need like him - Experienced campaigner

Appreciate the update and if there is others we are looking at we would love to know.

Be careful ...your starting to sound reactionary again .....

Starting to sound? It's nothing but reactionary. To paraphrase "I understand not paying overs but we need to sign someone". The concept is contradictory - you don't understand not paying overs if your priority is making "a signing".

The type of recruitment drive that some fans are asking for June 2021 ("please please sign a big name, please") is exactly what Ivan did in 2017 and has put a bullet in our roster efforts for the past 4 seasons. Packer and Mbye and Reynolds and Matulino - the forum was fine with the decisions, the size of the decisions, the length of the decisions, the "feel good" factor of doing some shopping and buying, and not one of those players turned out good value for money, driven by the coach who (we didn't know) had one eye on the door.

Well eventually ...as i said in the next post ...we have to spend approximately 94% of our cap for 2022 ....or we get fined ......and based on our season I wouldn't be rushing to upgrade anyone in our Top 30 ....as far as supply and demand go .....things get grimmer by the day ...people should be worried ...we finally have a war chest at the worst possible time recruitment wise and form wise .....

No doubt you will disagree and refuse to see that point .....

You don't ever have to pay overs for anyone.

If you do, OK, then at what risk? Of course nobody will argue that some players aren't worth taking the risk of paying overs. Top tier players I think fall into that category. Question is - is TPJ worth taking a risk on paying overs? Is TPJ a top-tier player? IMO no.