THE 4......THREAD

[innsaneink]

But there's over 40 of em

Lol

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

No Marquee coach will want to come here unto we have a centre of excellence that matches the top Sydney clubs and are financially stable and secure… right now we have neither of those

Didn't they make some big announcement last season that we were getting one, or was that just window dressing?

 

[supercoach]

We are in a catch 22 situation, we need the so called big four to re sign in order to attract some new quality players. If they up and leave it will be near impossible to attract quality players to our club.. and in order to resign the big four we need to sign the coach they want and that seems to be Taylor.

I get this gut feeling we are going to end up with no Taylor and no big 4 and next year have a team that is 100 to one on for the spoon. Anyway if I was Pascoe I would be laying my cards on the table and telling them what they have in mind if Taylor fails to get results and in the nicest way..we pick the coach and you the players play football

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Today's precious players are too fragile to be told that they are just there to play football…...they need to think they are in charge of the club. Especially at our club. We have seen it for the last 10 years, i am absolutely sick of it. Prima Donna's who lap up the praise but readily pull out the vast book of excuses when we cop a flogging.
Soft, soft club. Even casual followers of the NRL know this about WT.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

I don't know whether or not the players( or some of them, ). want Taylor to stay .or go.
But I can't work out why any player would want to keep a coach who failed his biggest boast when he arrived(Defence) and hasn't had much of an impression on the other problems in the team.
Taylor was never lucky enough to be supplied with speed or bulk to help him in his game, but he had what was needed between the ears. He was bloody good, and resilient.
I was excited about seeing what he could to help Brooks to use the obvious talent that he has.
It's been disappointing to see Brooks go backwards under JT. And he has gone backwards.

As for players wanting him to stay!
Could it be ( and this is a question. Not necessarily an opinion) that, some of the players have developed a comfort zone under JT, knowing that there is , and has been , little , or even no consequences for substandard performances( particularly ,but not only , the halves)
Could it be , that some don't want a hard nosed Coach who likely wouldn't put up with
Some of the rubbish games that most of our players have handed in at times
A guaranteed first grade spot may be enough for some of our players, and they may not want a coach who won't accept that.

Nailed it, great post.
It is pretty obvious our players wouldn't like the tough love approach of a hard-core type of coach. Our bunch of softies like the sort of coach who will still be trotting out the "potential" and "we are still learning and heading in the right direction" throwaway lines even when the players have been in the NRL for 10 years. Get Tommy in there to terrify a few of these Mummy's boys.

 

[supercoach]

You know if I spent from November to February practising my Spanish I would be very disappointed if I had not made some real improvement and I would start questioning either my brain or the methods I am using to try and learn Spanish if my Spanish had not improved. Our defence!!!! every year it is bottom three standard and every year we are told it will be the pre season focus and every year we fail mot deliver. Two outings this year and it has been bog average. So why would the so called big 4 want to retain Taylor…got me beat

 

[851]

You know if I spent from November to February practising my Spanish I would be very disappointed if I had not made some real improvement and I would start questioning either my brain or the methods I am using to try and learn Spanish if my Spanish had not improved. Our defence!!!! every year it is bottom three standard and every year we are told it will be the pre season focus and every year we fail mot deliver. Two outings this year and it has been bog average. So why would the so called big 4 want to retain Taylor…got me beat

100% agree, JT has failed on his mantra of defence, he can trot out the not far off, there were some positives out there today lines. But bottom line is he has since october 2014 to fix it and he hasn't. We have had 3 floggings in our last 6 games, as you pointed out we have been poor defensively in the 2 games this year, how long do the club put up with the spin and throw away lines. Maybe the big 4 do want a new coach and do want to stay, who really knows.

 

[TrueTiger]

You know if I spent from November to February practising my Spanish I would be very disappointed if I had not made some real improvement and I would start questioning either my brain or the methods I am using to try and learn Spanish if my Spanish had not improved. Our defence!!!! every year it is bottom three standard and every year we are told it will be the pre season focus and every year we fail mot deliver. Two outings this year and it has been bog average. So why would the so called big 4 want to retain Taylor…got me beat

I will try and put it as simple as I can….don't blame the coach for the players shortcomings...teach them defense all you like until the cows come home,if the player lacks the ability to tackle another man and arm grabs or doesn't fully understand how to wrap a player up holding a ball,then it's time to either man up or find another sport where you may not get hurt,I'm sick of everyone pointing at the coach...if he hasn't got the NRL standard players to play against other NRL players,then it wouldn't matter who coached the team..I watched Brooks on Sunday against the Panthers,the one word to explain him as an NRL halfback...WOEFUL..and he has been in FG for a long time now...don't worry he had some mates,Naiguama also comes to mind..my question is..how come Moses can develope into a NRL playmaker albeit slowly and yet the super star of NYC is hopeless??,my answer isn't the coach,it's Brooks lack of ability to take control of a game with men in it not kids his own age...

 

[TCL]

You know if I spent from November to February practising my Spanish I would be very disappointed if I had not made some real improvement and I would start questioning either my brain or the methods I am using to try and learn Spanish if my Spanish had not improved. Our defence!!!! every year it is bottom three standard and every year we are told it will be the pre season focus and every year we fail mot deliver. Two outings this year and it has been bog average. So why would the so called big 4 want to retain Taylor…got me beat

no podría estar mas de acuerdo

 

[TCL]

You know if I spent from November to February practising my Spanish I would be very disappointed if I had not made some real improvement and I would start questioning either my brain or the methods I am using to try and learn Spanish if my Spanish had not improved. Our defence!!!! every year it is bottom three standard and every year we are told it will be the pre season focus and every year we fail mot deliver. Two outings this year and it has been bog average. So why would the so called big 4 want to retain Taylor…got me beat

I will try and put it as simple as I can….don't blame the coach for the players shortcomings...teach them defense all you like until the cows come home,if the player lacks the ability to tackle another man and arm grabs or doesn't fully understand how to wrap a player up holding a ball,then it's time to either man up or find another sport where you may not get hurt,I'm sick of everyone pointing at the coach...if he hasn't got the NRL standard players to play against other NRL players,then it wouldn't matter who coached the team..I watched Brooks on Sunday against the Panthers,the one word to explain him as an NRL halfback...WOEFUL..and he has been in FG for a long time now...don't worry he had some mates,Naiguama also comes to mind..my question is..how come Moses can develope into a NRL playmaker albeit slowly and yet the super star of NYC is hopeless??,my answer isn't the coach,it's Brooks lack of ability to take control of a game with men in it not kids his own age...

If the coach can't teach them to defend, then its responsibility to drop them and look for an alternative. You can't separate the coach from the players they are a part of a big machine.

He gets credit when we win but he also goes down with the ship when we lose.

 

[TrueTiger]

Just to add on my previous post….

Nathan Cleary controlled his team very well on Sunday,ran the ball,set his players,defended well and kicked goals...he didn't have the hype that Brooks had and is a far better half than Brooks will ever be...it's time that the club can see that Brooks is the weak link in our spine and I don't care what price tag he has on himself..he is not worth it...

If you watch the game again,you will see how well NC kicked as well in general play...Brooks couldn't even keep it in play from the kick off...I have given him plenty of time and chances,this year Brooks has to do a fair bit better to even expect an extension of his contract with big money,if he was given say for example 2 years,I couldn't endure those 2 years of his garbage and inconsistency...

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I don't see why Widdop would be a bad signing. He was a fine foil for Cronk at the Storm. If he's struggled at Saints, its probably down to him having to take on the role no 1 playmaker. He wouldn't be here with Moses. And he's a pretty good goal kicker. If Brooks continues to struggle i would offer him 350 take or leave it. Its a massive drop to what he's on now, but how the hell can you justify paying him any more based on his output.

 

[851]

I don't see why Widdop would be a bad signing. He was a fine foil for Cronk at the Storm. If he's struggled at Saints, its probably down to him having to take on the role no 1 playmaker. He wouldn't be here with Moses. And he's a pretty good goal kicker. If Brooks continues to struggle i would offer him 350 take or leave it. Its a massive drop to what he's on now, but how the hell can you justify paying him any more based on his output.

I agree on Widdop, let Brooks go and spend that money on Widdop.

 

[TrueTiger]

You know if I spent from November to February practising my Spanish I would be very disappointed if I had not made some real improvement and I would start questioning either my brain or the methods I am using to try and learn Spanish if my Spanish had not improved. Our defence!!!! every year it is bottom three standard and every year we are told it will be the pre season focus and every year we fail mot deliver. Two outings this year and it has been bog average. So why would the so called big 4 want to retain Taylor…got me beat

I will try and put it as simple as I can….don't blame the coach for the players shortcomings...teach them defense all you like until the cows come home,if the player lacks the ability to tackle another man and arm grabs or doesn't fully understand how to wrap a player up holding a ball,then it's time to either man up or find another sport where you may not get hurt,I'm sick of everyone pointing at the coach...if he hasn't got the NRL standard players to play against other NRL players,then it wouldn't matter who coached the team..I watched Brooks on Sunday against the Panthers,the one word to explain him as an NRL halfback...WOEFUL..and he has been in FG for a long time now...don't worry he had some mates,Naiguama also comes to mind..my question is..how come Moses can develope into a NRL playmaker albeit slowly and yet the super star of NYC is hopeless??,my answer isn't the coach,it's Brooks lack of ability to take control of a game with men in it not kids his own age...

If the coach can't teach them to defend, then its responsibility to drop them and look for an alternative. You can't separate the coach from the players they are a part of a big machine.

He gets credit when we win but he also goes down with the ship when we lose.

Yes you are right,but if Taylor drops him,who do we replace him with this year..I would rather release Brooks than resign him and use the money out in the market trying to by a replacement with NRL experience on less money than overhyped potential..you can coach a player as much as you can,if the player lacks ability and heart to put into tackling or controlling a game that he is supposed to,then don't blame the coach..how many times have people said that Brooks goes missing or is a turnstile,that's not the coaching staffs fault ,that's the players lack of ability..

 

[gallagher]

I don't see why Widdop would be a bad signing. He was a fine foil for Cronk at the Storm. If he's struggled at Saints, its probably down to him having to take on the role no 1 playmaker. He wouldn't be here with Moses. And he's a pretty good goal kicker. If Brooks continues to struggle i would offer him 350 take or leave it. Its a massive drop to what he's on now, but how the hell can you justify paying him any more based on his output.

I agree on Widdop, let Brooks go and spend that money on Widdop.

Bloody oath

 

[TrueTiger]

I don't see why Widdop would be a bad signing. He was a fine foil for Cronk at the Storm. If he's struggled at Saints, its probably down to him having to take on the role no 1 playmaker. He wouldn't be here with Moses. And he's a pretty good goal kicker. If Brooks continues to struggle i would offer him 350 take or leave it. Its a massive drop to what he's on now, but how the hell can you justify paying him any more based on his output.

I agree on Widdop, let Brooks go and spend that money on Widdop.

I have a very high opinion of Widdop and would love to have him here at the WTs,however I read somewhere that a big club in the ESL are interested in him and are offering him big money to move back to England..

 

[TCL]

You know if I spent from November to February practising my Spanish I would be very disappointed if I had not made some real improvement and I would start questioning either my brain or the methods I am using to try and learn Spanish if my Spanish had not improved. Our defence!!!! every year it is bottom three standard and every year we are told it will be the pre season focus and every year we fail mot deliver. Two outings this year and it has been bog average. So why would the so called big 4 want to retain Taylor…got me beat

I will try and put it as simple as I can….don't blame the coach for the players shortcomings...teach them defense all you like until the cows come home,if the player lacks the ability to tackle another man and arm grabs or doesn't fully understand how to wrap a player up holding a ball,then it's time to either man up or find another sport where you may not get hurt,I'm sick of everyone pointing at the coach...if he hasn't got the NRL standard players to play against other NRL players,then it wouldn't matter who coached the team..I watched Brooks on Sunday against the Panthers,the one word to explain him as an NRL halfback...WOEFUL..and he has been in FG for a long time now...don't worry he had some mates,Naiguama also comes to mind..my question is..how come Moses can develope into a NRL playmaker albeit slowly and yet the super star of NYC is hopeless??,my answer isn't the coach,it's Brooks lack of ability to take control of a game with men in it not kids his own age...

If the coach can't teach them to defend, then its responsibility to drop them and look for an alternative. You can't separate the coach from the players they are a part of a big machine.

He gets credit when we win but he also goes down with the ship when we lose.

Yes you are right,but if Taylor drops him,who do we replace him with this year..I would rather release Brooks than resign him and use the money out in the market trying to by a replacement with NRL experience on less money than overhyped potential..you can coach a player as much as you can,if the player lacks ability and heart to put into tackling or controlling a game that he is supposed to,then don't blame the coach..how many times have people said that Brooks goes missing or is a turnstile,that's not the coaching staffs fault ,that's the players lack of ability..

Not to harp on it but it's also the coaches job to create depth or have provisions in place in case of poor performance, injury etc. brooks not living up to expectations drop him and run JLJ.

We can't accept lines like, salary cap hindered, or hasn't got the team he wants yadda yadda. They are just excuses.

 

[Geo]

I'm sure with a new coach this squad will become a Defensive Rock …

 

[Tiger4life]

I will try and put it as simple as I can….don't blame the coach for the players shortcomings...teach them defense all you like until the cows come home,if the player lacks the ability to tackle another man and arm grabs or doesn't fully understand how to wrap a player up holding a ball,then it's time to either man up or find another sport where you may not get hurt,I'm sick of everyone pointing at the coach...if he hasn't got the NRL standard players to play against other NRL players,then it wouldn't matter who coached the team..I watched Brooks on Sunday against the Panthers,the one word to explain him as an NRL halfback...WOEFUL..and he has been in FG for a long time now...don't worry he had some mates,Naiguama also comes to mind..my question is..how come Moses can develope into a NRL playmaker albeit slowly and yet the super star of NYC is hopeless??,my answer isn't the coach,it's Brooks lack of ability to take control of a game with men in it not kids his own age...

If the coach can't teach them to defend, then its responsibility to drop them and look for an alternative. You can't separate the coach from the players they are a part of a big machine.

He gets credit when we win but he also goes down with the ship when we lose.

Yes you are right,but if Taylor drops him,who do we replace him with this year..I would rather release Brooks than resign him and use the money out in the market trying to by a replacement with NRL experience on less money than overhyped potential..you can coach a player as much as you can,if the player lacks ability and heart to put into tackling or controlling a game that he is supposed to,then don't blame the coach..how many times have people said that Brooks goes missing or is a turnstile,that's not the coaching staffs fault ,that's the players lack of ability..

Not to harp on it but it's also the coaches job to create depth or have provisions in place in case of poor performance, injury etc. brooks not living up to expectations drop him and run JLJ.

We can't accept lines like, salary cap hindered, or hasn't got the team he wants yadda yadda. They are just excuses.

When players dont perform you drop them, and give someone a shot. They may or may not succeed. However the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Its also like saying we have to keep Broses because there is no better option or no one else wants to come here.

Or like saying we have to keep JT because there is no one better available. He is responsible for our defence and improving it. How will it improve if he keeps selecting players who have shown 0% improvement in defense in over 2 years.

Changes might make us better or might not. But how do you know if you dont take that risk.

 

[supercoach]

Yes the coach doesn't miss the tackles and yes to a certain extent he has been saddled up with the roster we have and yes the salary cap is a mess but we have not gone forward one inch in our defensive game and after a four month off season where a lot of time and effort has been put into defence (so we are told) and it is every bit as bad as ever. That stuff before half time on Sunday was school boy stuff and the week before we let a plodder score three trys.

Everyone knows who are the guys who struggle more than others when it comes to defence, yet they are picked every single week, okay we might not have the talent in our depth to replace them, but you still have to send a message to the playing group that there is a standard they have to play at or they will be dropped.

Anyway not going to happen so just wasted 5 minutes of my life