The 5th Tackle

[hsvjones]

I’ve got a rugby league game-play issue:

Being that the sixth tackle is a kick play (either a Hail Mary bomb or cross-field kick or a kick for territory) I don’t understand why teams don’t understand that the 5th is the last opportunity to throw the ball around as it is effectively the last chance to try something. Isn’t it just totally unacceptable to just take another one out play or simply go to ground? (unless you’re stuck deep in your own half).

Then why does this keep happening?
Does anyone else feel the same?!?
Isn’t it obvious???
Argh!

If i understand you right I agree.
I watched a few times last game where we were on the last play and just passed and took the tackle - This to me is just plain dumb unless its the end of the game and you are up and want to keep them in a corner. But not kicking it means its a handover instead of doing a little kick and they jump on it and that is there 1st tackle gone already.. Chance they could even knock it on etc..
It looked like they were scared of kicking it dead and that's why no kick happened but surly as a professional player you can kick it a few meters even if it stays in the main field of play. Anyway that's why I am watching from home.

 

[cktiger]

And I’ve been downvoted, without comment, for posting this honest, unoffensive rugby league question. ??‍♂️

It is very annoying I have to say.

Tommy would have thought it was gutless.

If you don't like what was said, speak up or just move on.

I downvoted it. I was annoyed at the flood of posts by the OP with little or no thought behind them. There is usually not much point arguing on this forum because the same loud voices just repeat the same opinions over and over no matter how often they are proved wrong. Thanks for telling me how to forum.

I would have thought it was obvious that people run the ball on the last as a surprise, the ball is passed to the wrong person (a mistake), or the attacking team does not want to risk kicking the ball dead.

He’s talking about after the completion of the 4th so , the play the ball and play of the 5th .
I think if he’s asking that question , and people are agreeing with it , and those people are the ones saying we have no game management, then it begs the question , that maybe some people have little understanding of what that word means in the context of an nrl match ?
So it’s probably not worth getting irritated about .

This might shock you but a lot of people most probably think you and Blake have got it wrong.
Oh, horror, all those people ‘proved wrong’ (really?) who have little understanding of what words mean in an NRL context should be rounded up and given a good whipping.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

And I’ve been downvoted, without comment, for posting this honest, unoffensive rugby league question. ??‍♂️

It is very annoying I have to say.

Tommy would have thought it was gutless.

If you don't like what was said, speak up or just move on.

I downvoted it. I was annoyed at the flood of posts by the OP with little or no thought behind them. There is usually not much point arguing on this forum because the same loud voices just repeat the same opinions over and over no matter how often they are proved wrong. Thanks for telling me how to forum.

I would have thought it was obvious that people run the ball on the last as a surprise, the ball is passed to the wrong person (a mistake), or the attacking team does not want to risk kicking the ball dead.

He’s talking about after the completion of the 4th so , the play the ball and play of the 5th .
I think if he’s asking that question , and people are agreeing with it , and those people are the ones saying we have no game management, then it begs the question , that maybe some people have little understanding of what that word means in the context of an nrl match ?
So it’s probably not worth getting irritated about .

This might shock you but a lot of people most probably think you and Blake have got it wrong.
Oh, horror, all those people ‘proved wrong’ (really?) who have little understanding of what words mean in an NRL context should be rounded up and given a good whipping.

If you don’t understand , what a basic set looks like rucking it out off your line , or should look like , and the reasons for why things have to go the way they do , then yea maybe you shouldn’t be hating on the lack of “game management “, or , when you have no idea what actual game management looks like . That’s my point .
Plenty of people do know what’s going on . And they still think brooks is garbage . Or we lack direction . Fine . That’s not who I’m talking about .
I’m taking about the nevilles with big opinions , and calling grandiose change based on what ?

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I’ve got a rugby league game-play issue:

Being that the sixth tackle is a kick play (either a Hail Mary bomb or cross-field kick or a kick for territory) I don’t understand why teams don’t understand that the 5th is the last opportunity to throw the ball around as it is effectively the last chance to try something. Isn’t it just totally unacceptable to just take another one out play or simply go to ground? (unless you’re stuck deep in your own half).

Then why does this keep happening?
Does anyone else feel the same?!?
Isn’t it obvious???
Argh!

If i understand you right I agree.
I watched a few times last game where we were on the last play and just passed and took the tackle - This to me is just plain dumb unless its the end of the game and you are up and want to keep them in a corner. But not kicking it means its a handover instead of doing a little kick and they jump on it and that is there 1st tackle gone already.. Chance they could even knock it on etc..
It looked like they were scared of kicking it dead and that's why no kick happened but surly as a professional player you can kick it a few meters even if it stays in the main field of play. Anyway that's why I am watching from home.

I remember a game last year against the knights or the eels , where they simply just died with the ball when nothing was on , on the 2m line . We then Spent the whole second half carting it 40m at most and kicking , for the knights to start thier set on the 40m- half way , for the same thing to happen again.
It’s boring as hell , but if your defence is willing , then you can basically grind a team into the dirt .
The repeat set , with the 7tackle restart can be a lottery .
We lost that game btw , and many were saying perfect game management .

 

[bigsiro]

Just to clarify: the question is in regards to the penultimate play in the set; ie the 5th tackle, not the 6th. Apologies if this wasn’t clear.

Also, I wasn’t having a go at any players in or even particularly the Tigers. It happens across the board. My point is I just don’t think this play should be treated like the 4 that precede it.

 

[weststigerman]

I think we do it because we have no confidence in executing and getting a repeat set so we're choosing the safest option.

 

[Tiger5150]

I’ve got a rugby league game-play issue:

Being that the sixth tackle is a kick play (either a Hail Mary bomb or cross-field kick or a kick for territory) I don’t understand why teams don’t understand that the 5th is the last opportunity to throw the ball around as it is effectively the last chance to try something. Isn’t it just totally unacceptable to just take another one out play or simply go to ground? (unless you’re stuck deep in your own half).

Then why does this keep happening?
Does anyone else feel the same?!?
Isn’t it obvious???
Argh!

Its because the second last tackle is all about getting into the best position for the kick. If you allow adlib play, let the ball sing. you are likely to get box up against the sideline and you are stuffed for your last play.

 

[cktiger]

And I’ve been downvoted, without comment, for posting this honest, unoffensive rugby league question. ??‍♂️

It is very annoying I have to say.

Tommy would have thought it was gutless.

If you don't like what was said, speak up or just move on.

I downvoted it. I was annoyed at the flood of posts by the OP with little or no thought behind them. There is usually not much point arguing on this forum because the same loud voices just repeat the same opinions over and over no matter how often they are proved wrong. Thanks for telling me how to forum.

I would have thought it was obvious that people run the ball on the last as a surprise, the ball is passed to the wrong person (a mistake), or the attacking team does not want to risk kicking the ball dead.

He’s talking about after the completion of the 4th so , the play the ball and play of the 5th .
I think if he’s asking that question , and people are agreeing with it , and those people are the ones saying we have no game management, then it begs the question , that maybe some people have little understanding of what that word means in the context of an nrl match ?
So it’s probably not worth getting irritated about .

This might shock you but a lot of people most probably think you and Blake have got it wrong.
Oh, horror, all those people ‘proved wrong’ (really?) who have little understanding of what words mean in an NRL context should be rounded up and given a good whipping.

If you don’t understand , what a basic set looks like rucking it out off your line , or should look like , and the reasons for why things have to go the way they do , then yea maybe you shouldn’t be hating on the lack of “game management “, or , when you have no idea what actual game management looks like . That’s my point .
Plenty of people do know what’s going on . And they still think brooks is garbage . Or we lack direction . Fine . That’s not who I’m talking about .
I’m taking about the nevilles with big opinions , and calling grandiose change based on what ?

Good to see you **'understand'** while so many dumbarses on here **'have no idea what actual game management looks like'.**
I look forward to your next insightful explanations of the game.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

And I’ve been downvoted, without comment, for posting this honest, unoffensive rugby league question. ??‍♂️

It is very annoying I have to say.

Tommy would have thought it was gutless.

If you don't like what was said, speak up or just move on.

I downvoted it. I was annoyed at the flood of posts by the OP with little or no thought behind them. There is usually not much point arguing on this forum because the same loud voices just repeat the same opinions over and over no matter how often they are proved wrong. Thanks for telling me how to forum.

I would have thought it was obvious that people run the ball on the last as a surprise, the ball is passed to the wrong person (a mistake), or the attacking team does not want to risk kicking the ball dead.

He’s talking about after the completion of the 4th so , the play the ball and play of the 5th .
I think if he’s asking that question , and people are agreeing with it , and those people are the ones saying we have no game management, then it begs the question , that maybe some people have little understanding of what that word means in the context of an nrl match ?
So it’s probably not worth getting irritated about .

This might shock you but a lot of people most probably think you and Blake have got it wrong.
Oh, horror, all those people ‘proved wrong’ (really?) who have little understanding of what words mean in an NRL context should be rounded up and given a good whipping.

If you don’t understand , what a basic set looks like rucking it out off your line , or should look like , and the reasons for why things have to go the way they do , then yea maybe you shouldn’t be hating on the lack of “game management “, or , when you have no idea what actual game management looks like . That’s my point .
Plenty of people do know what’s going on . And they still think brooks is garbage . Or we lack direction . Fine . That’s not who I’m talking about .
I’m taking about the nevilles with big opinions , and calling grandiose change based on what ?

Good to see you **'understand'** while so many dumbarses on here **'have no idea what actual game management looks like'.**
I look forward to your next insightful explanations of the game.

I didn’t say that . Read what I said . And they are usually pretty insightful, thank you . Especially if you don’t know what the 5th tackle hitup is for.
But be butt hurt , because I pointed out the hypocrisy of being hyper critical of something , people know nothing about . I’m not the guru messiah . I just know what a basic game plan looks like.
Evidence - @bigsiro and some of the things he says about our team , and many people like him .
It’s like if I went to a restaurant and started critiquing on the process the chef used to to make a difficult dish , because I didn’t like the taste when it came out . What do I know about that ?
I find it head scratching , the vitriol that’s spewed from guys .
If you can’t understand the difference between what you THINK im saying , and what I’m actually saying , then that’s on you.

 

[cktiger]

And I’ve been downvoted, without comment, for posting this honest, unoffensive rugby league question. ??‍♂️

It is very annoying I have to say.

Tommy would have thought it was gutless.

If you don't like what was said, speak up or just move on.

I downvoted it. I was annoyed at the flood of posts by the OP with little or no thought behind them. There is usually not much point arguing on this forum because the same loud voices just repeat the same opinions over and over no matter how often they are proved wrong. Thanks for telling me how to forum.

I would have thought it was obvious that people run the ball on the last as a surprise, the ball is passed to the wrong person (a mistake), or the attacking team does not want to risk kicking the ball dead.

He’s talking about after the completion of the 4th so , the play the ball and play of the 5th .
I think if he’s asking that question , and people are agreeing with it , and those people are the ones saying we have no game management, then it begs the question , that maybe some people have little understanding of what that word means in the context of an nrl match ?
So it’s probably not worth getting irritated about .

This might shock you but a lot of people most probably think you and Blake have got it wrong.
Oh, horror, all those people ‘proved wrong’ (really?) who have little understanding of what words mean in an NRL context should be rounded up and given a good whipping.

If you don’t understand , what a basic set looks like rucking it out off your line , or should look like , and the reasons for why things have to go the way they do , then yea maybe you shouldn’t be hating on the lack of “game management “, or , when you have no idea what actual game management looks like . That’s my point .
Plenty of people do know what’s going on . And they still think brooks is garbage . Or we lack direction . Fine . That’s not who I’m talking about .
I’m taking about the nevilles with big opinions , and calling grandiose change based on what ?

Good to see you **'understand'** while so many dumbarses on here **'have no idea what actual game management looks like'.**
I look forward to your next insightful explanations of the game.

I didn’t say that . **Read what I said . And they are usually pretty insightful**, thank you . Especially if **you don’t know what the 5th tackle hitup is for .**

:rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :face_with_rolling_eyes:
Says it all.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

And I’ve been downvoted, without comment, for posting this honest, unoffensive rugby league question. ??‍♂️

It is very annoying I have to say.

Tommy would have thought it was gutless.

If you don't like what was said, speak up or just move on.

I downvoted it. I was annoyed at the flood of posts by the OP with little or no thought behind them. There is usually not much point arguing on this forum because the same loud voices just repeat the same opinions over and over no matter how often they are proved wrong. Thanks for telling me how to forum.

I would have thought it was obvious that people run the ball on the last as a surprise, the ball is passed to the wrong person (a mistake), or the attacking team does not want to risk kicking the ball dead.

He’s talking about after the completion of the 4th so , the play the ball and play of the 5th .
I think if he’s asking that question , and people are agreeing with it , and those people are the ones saying we have no game management, then it begs the question , that maybe some people have little understanding of what that word means in the context of an nrl match ?
So it’s probably not worth getting irritated about .

This might shock you but a lot of people most probably think you and Blake have got it wrong.
Oh, horror, all those people ‘proved wrong’ (really?) who have little understanding of what words mean in an NRL context should be rounded up and given a good whipping.

If you don’t understand , what a basic set looks like rucking it out off your line , or should look like , and the reasons for why things have to go the way they do , then yea maybe you shouldn’t be hating on the lack of “game management “, or , when you have no idea what actual game management looks like . That’s my point .
Plenty of people do know what’s going on . And they still think brooks is garbage . Or we lack direction . Fine . That’s not who I’m talking about .
I’m taking about the nevilles with big opinions , and calling grandiose change based on what ?

Good to see you **'understand'** while so many dumbarses on here **'have no idea what actual game management looks like'.**
I look forward to your next insightful explanations of the game.

I didn’t say that . **Read what I said . And they are usually pretty insightful**, thank you . Especially if **you don’t know what the 5th tackle hitup is for .**

:rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :face_with_rolling_eyes:
Says it all.

Says what ? That I think your a hypocrite , bagging guys for not knowing how to do something , you know nothing about , so therefore can’t possibly have any idea whether they are ,or arnt doing the job right at all ? Yeah I do . Especially when a lot of the stuff is borderline abuse , and pretty nasty stuff .
When it’s clear to me , that many dudes support the team , because they want the joy of victory for themselves .
If you were overseas, cutoff from civilisation for a week and it was grand final time , would you want the tigers to win it ? Even if you weren’t here to celebrate it ?

Think about that question . If your answer is no , than that’s some toxic fanaticism right there . And it’s not healthy . And I wonder how many would say no on this forum ?

By the way , not a made up question .I know people who legitimately said no , and were death riding the team they loved because they were overseas at finals time .

 

[cktiger]

And I’ve been downvoted, without comment, for posting this honest, unoffensive rugby league question. ??‍♂️

It is very annoying I have to say.

Tommy would have thought it was gutless.

If you don't like what was said, speak up or just move on.

I downvoted it. I was annoyed at the flood of posts by the OP with little or no thought behind them. There is usually not much point arguing on this forum because the same loud voices just repeat the same opinions over and over no matter how often they are proved wrong. Thanks for telling me how to forum.

I would have thought it was obvious that people run the ball on the last as a surprise, the ball is passed to the wrong person (a mistake), or the attacking team does not want to risk kicking the ball dead.

He’s talking about after the completion of the 4th so , the play the ball and play of the 5th .
I think if he’s asking that question , and people are agreeing with it , and those people are the ones saying we have no game management, then it begs the question , that maybe some people have little understanding of what that word means in the context of an nrl match ?
So it’s probably not worth getting irritated about .

This might shock you but a lot of people most probably think you and Blake have got it wrong.
Oh, horror, all those people ‘proved wrong’ (really?) who have little understanding of what words mean in an NRL context should be rounded up and given a good whipping.

If you don’t understand , what a basic set looks like rucking it out off your line , or should look like , and the reasons for why things have to go the way they do , then yea maybe you shouldn’t be hating on the lack of “game management “, or , when you have no idea what actual game management looks like . That’s my point .
Plenty of people do know what’s going on . And they still think brooks is garbage . Or we lack direction . Fine . That’s not who I’m talking about .
I’m taking about the nevilles with big opinions , and calling grandiose change based on what ?

Good to see you **'understand'** while so many dumbarses on here **'have no idea what actual game management looks like'.**
I look forward to your next insightful explanations of the game.

I didn’t say that . **Read what I said . And they are usually pretty insightful**, thank you . Especially if **you don’t know what the 5th tackle hitup is for .**

:rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :face_with_rolling_eyes:
Says it all.

Says what ? That I think your a hypocrite , bagging guys for not knowing how to do something , you know nothing about , so therefore can’t possibly have any idea whether they are ,or arnt doing the job right at all ? Yeah I do . Especially when a lot of the stuff is borderline abuse , and pretty nasty stuff .
When it’s clear to me , that many dudes support the team , because they want the joy of victory for themselves .
If you were overseas, cutoff from civilisation for a week and it was grand final time , would you want the tigers to win it ? Even if you weren’t here to celebrate it ?

Think about that question . If your answer is no , than that’s some toxic fanaticism right there . And it’s not healthy . And I wonder how many would say no on this forum ?

By the way , not a made up question .I know people who legitimately said no , and were death riding the team they loved because they were overseas at finals time .

Don’t know what’s going on with you but you sure have some funny thoughts to take you off track.
By the way, it’s not a good idea to go back and add half a dozen paragraphs to a post after somebody has replied to it.
Remember, it’s a forum ... people don’t necessarily have to agree with your wise words or your reading of the game.
That’s part of the enjoyment of a forum.

 

[bigsiro]

Yo mods I reckon shut this thread down.
It was meant as just an innocent question but I’m afraid it’s creating disharmony.

 

[voice_of_reason]

With regards the topic, I'd say Madge has given directions on what to do on most tackles be it for field position, security or safety. My guess is the players are following his instructions and, if not, I'm sure Madge will clarify his position.

I'd suggest any comment about the plays themselves is moot as none of us know the coach's instructions or intentions.

Perhaps it will all come out in the documentary... 🙂

 

[Needaname]

Yo mods I reckon shut this thread down.
It was meant as just an innocent question but I’m afraid it’s creating disharmony.

No it’s worthwhile.

Gone are the days of the inside / outside centres where you would see a whole backline 45^ set for a shift play on the 4th and 5th tackle.
I think the left side right side option has altered that way or style of play.
Siebold gives some really good insight on the current trends and even evolving trends in the GamePlan videos on NRL.com.
For example 5 years back the focus for the attack was to isolate the 3 in defender (half) and attack the space between him and the backrower with a block shift, ie opposition back-rower and sweeping back play. The new trend is to isolate the 2 in defender and attacke the play between the half / centre / winger and capitalise on that.
If you look back at all our tries conceded this year they will be in that position.

As far as attacking options on the 4th and 5th I feel as a whole they are non existent in the comp.
Teams will use all the plays in the set to get in the best field position or if (eyes up footy) see a weekness mid field will attack that at any stage in the set.
My thoughts is that possession in this game 2021 is king and to spend more time, (more of the set) in possession this is the trend.
I would like to see both our halves attack the line on the 4th or 5th and grubber into a broken line (whilst the fullback is in the line) just before contact, rather than waiting till the last tackle to manufacture a kick against a ready set defence with a fullback and wingers already set.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

And I’ve been downvoted, without comment, for posting this honest, unoffensive rugby league question. ??‍♂️

It is very annoying I have to say.

Tommy would have thought it was gutless.

If you don't like what was said, speak up or just move on.

I downvoted it. I was annoyed at the flood of posts by the OP with little or no thought behind them. There is usually not much point arguing on this forum because the same loud voices just repeat the same opinions over and over no matter how often they are proved wrong. Thanks for telling me how to forum.

I would have thought it was obvious that people run the ball on the last as a surprise, the ball is passed to the wrong person (a mistake), or the attacking team does not want to risk kicking the ball dead.

He’s talking about after the completion of the 4th so , the play the ball and play of the 5th .
I think if he’s asking that question , and people are agreeing with it , and those people are the ones saying we have no game management, then it begs the question , that maybe some people have little understanding of what that word means in the context of an nrl match ?
So it’s probably not worth getting irritated about .

This might shock you but a lot of people most probably think you and Blake have got it wrong.
Oh, horror, all those people ‘proved wrong’ (really?) who have little understanding of what words mean in an NRL context should be rounded up and given a good whipping.

If you don’t understand , what a basic set looks like rucking it out off your line , or should look like , and the reasons for why things have to go the way they do , then yea maybe you shouldn’t be hating on the lack of “game management “, or , when you have no idea what actual game management looks like . That’s my point .
Plenty of people do know what’s going on . And they still think brooks is garbage . Or we lack direction . Fine . That’s not who I’m talking about .
I’m taking about the nevilles with big opinions , and calling grandiose change based on what ?

Good to see you **'understand'** while so many dumbarses on here **'have no idea what actual game management looks like'.**
I look forward to your next insightful explanations of the game.

I didn’t say that . **Read what I said . And they are usually pretty insightful**, thank you . Especially if **you don’t know what the 5th tackle hitup is for .**

:rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :face_with_rolling_eyes:
Says it all.

Says what ? That I think your a hypocrite , bagging guys for not knowing how to do something , you know nothing about , so therefore can’t possibly have any idea whether they are ,or arnt doing the job right at all ? Yeah I do . Especially when a lot of the stuff is borderline abuse , and pretty nasty stuff .
When it’s clear to me , that many dudes support the team , because they want the joy of victory for themselves .
If you were overseas, cutoff from civilisation for a week and it was grand final time , would you want the tigers to win it ? Even if you weren’t here to celebrate it ?

Think about that question . If your answer is no , than that’s some toxic fanaticism right there . And it’s not healthy . And I wonder how many would say no on this forum ?

By the way , not a made up question .I know people who legitimately said no , and were death riding the team they loved because they were overseas at finals time .

Don’t know what’s going on with you but you sure have some funny thoughts to take you off track.
By the way, it’s not a good idea to go back and add half a dozen paragraphs to a post after somebody has replied to it.
Remember, it’s a forum ... people don’t necessarily have to agree with your wise words or your reading of the game.
That’s part of the enjoyment of a forum.

To the last past , sorry I accidentally hit send , and had to edit . I thought I did it fast enough , to not have to say it was an edit . I wasn’t trying to game the conversation.

No the point I’m making , which is why I chimed in , was how much abuse our players cop about strategy stuff , when we all know way less , and some cases nothing at all.

Which is why I bought up the toxic fanaticism . And stepping back , and not hurling vitriol at the team .

 

[bigsiro]

@Needaname
Mate that is what I call a response!
Wowzers.
Cheers.
In regards to the modern possession + territory trends you refer to, I totally agree. How can one not?
But for me this has made rugby league a far more predictable and dare I say, more boring game to appreciate. I am waiting for the day that this trend is bucked and we revert to more free flowing footy.
It starts with the 4th or 5th tackle 😉

 

[BD_Benny]

Kick to the seagulls.

Keep it simple.

 

[hobbo1]

And I’ve been downvoted, without comment, for posting this honest, unoffensive rugby league question. ??‍♂️

It is very annoying I have to say.

Tommy would have thought it was gutless.

If you don't like what was said, speak up or just move on.

I downvoted it. I was annoyed at the flood of posts by the OP with little or no thought behind them. There is usually not much point arguing on this forum because the same loud voices just repeat the same opinions over and over no matter how often they are proved wrong. Thanks for telling me how to forum.

I would have thought it was obvious that people run the ball on the last as a surprise, the ball is passed to the wrong person (a mistake), or the attacking team does not want to risk kicking the ball dead.

He’s talking about after the completion of the 4th so , the play the ball and play of the 5th .
I think if he’s asking that question , and people are agreeing with it , and those people are the ones saying we have no game management, then it begs the question , that maybe some people have little understanding of what that word means in the context of an nrl match ?
So it’s probably not worth getting irritated about .

This might shock you but a lot of people most probably think you and Blake have got it wrong.
Oh, horror, all those people ‘proved wrong’ (really?) who have little understanding of what words mean in an NRL context should be rounded up and given a good whipping.

If you don’t understand , what a basic set looks like rucking it out off your line , or should look like , and the reasons for why things have to go the way they do , then yea maybe you shouldn’t be hating on the lack of “game management “, or , when you have no idea what actual game management looks like . That’s my point .
Plenty of people do know what’s going on . And they still think brooks is garbage . Or we lack direction . Fine . That’s not who I’m talking about .
I’m taking about the nevilles with big opinions , and calling grandiose change based on what ?

Good to see you **'understand'** while so many dumbarses on here **'have no idea what actual game management looks like'.**
I look forward to your next insightful explanations of the game.

I didn’t say that . Read what I said . And they are usually pretty insightful, thank you . Especially if you don’t know what the 5th tackle hitup is for.
But be butt hurt , because I pointed out the hypocrisy of being hyper critical of something , people know nothing about . I’m not the guru messiah . I just know what a basic game plan looks like.
Evidence - @bigsiro and some of the things he says about our team , and many people like him .
It’s like if I went to a restaurant and started critiquing on the process the chef used to to make a difficult dish , because I didn’t like the taste when it came out . What do I know about that ?
I find it head scratching , the vitriol that’s spewed from guys .
If you can’t understand the difference between what you THINK im saying , and what I’m actually saying , then that’s on you.

The problem is in my most honest & humble opinion is ...
Whe you have deadset plodders like Tamou or Twal with deadset no footwork and the worlds slowest play the balls the defence has enough time to make a coffee and reset there line .

Where as we should be running numbers along there edge .