Jedi_Tiger
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I was in the captains lounge at Newcastle both O'Farrell and Shaun M were on the wests tigers table
At away games it seems like board members often get invited to each teams corporate suites.
The argument for fully embracing the Macarthur as home for the Wests Tigers.
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At away games it seems like board members often get invited to each teams corporate suites.
trentrunciman
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Appreciate the info…
I keep hitting walls with how Shaun M, Barry O are hired …
Barry Ofarrell is still the issue … because he connects the NRL and club
Could be nothing but I doubt it.
trentrunciman
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I’m getting a strong feeling there’s a link between the NRL O’Farrell, player agents (eg Moses) , jarome Luai to PNG and management of Federal Gov contracts - like when Chammas was at the Luai png signing it wasn’t a coincidence - the NRL can preframe the positive narrative before some private IG reel leak . Its the same institutional logic whether in business, trade, sport etc - the NRL is a product of stakeholder relationships .
If the NRL can move players , why can’t they move staff between clubs? Providing oversight, like any institution they have priorities for their interests not the clubs.
It explains why a draft would be detrimental to the NRLs product and autonomy when now it can move its assets to teams where it promotes the product the most eg Vegas and Roosters etc.
Look how terribly the Bears have been managed…does the NRL have a $600m contract in Perth with the federal govt of Aus and diplomatic geopolitical relations to manage in Perth? Why not ship Nathan Cleary to the bears?
I can’t connect it all yet lol but let’s see . 😂
If the NRL can move players , why can’t they move staff between clubs? Providing oversight, like any institution they have priorities for their interests not the clubs.
It explains why a draft would be detrimental to the NRLs product and autonomy when now it can move its assets to teams where it promotes the product the most eg Vegas and Roosters etc.
Look how terribly the Bears have been managed…does the NRL have a $600m contract in Perth with the federal govt of Aus and diplomatic geopolitical relations to manage in Perth? Why not ship Nathan Cleary to the bears?
I can’t connect it all yet lol but let’s see . 😂
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diedpretty
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I understand where you are coming from but i hardly think the NRL brand has been damaged in any way by WT and HBG. In fact despite the farce that HBG are the NRL.s commercial success just keeps getting bigger.
diedpretty
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This is a bit paranoid. The NRL didn't move Luai nor do they have the power to move any player - Chammas was at the signing because he is the general manager of the chiefs. Unless Western Australia secedes from Australia why would the government offer them anything.
trentrunciman
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Appreciate the stress test 🏋️
I agree, the NRL brand isn’t damaged, the NRL is doing quite well and that’s the problem. You’re supporting my argument.
The real locus of power / real problem sit with the NRL administrators.
The clubs issues (Tigers, HBG, local boards, win rates, pokies, etc.) is downstream effects of a system issue.
The NRL intervenes when its interests are touched (O’Farrell) and otherwise tolerates ongoing dysfunction at the club because that dysfunction does not threaten the central product or commercial trajectory…
Like selling both normal lemonade and vanilla lemonade (wests tigers ) flavors at a lemonade stand - the vanilla flavor (tigers) never sells but hey “who gaf”? Your normal lemonade is selling! 💰💰💰💸💸
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trentrunciman
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With this reply you’ve reframed my argument from the NRL player transfer system is “an informal institutional player system” to “the nrl can respawn any player any where “ (absolutism argument, that’s often the rebuttal to my points).
I never claimed the NRL can issue directives and move players like ordering a 6 pack of nuggets with sweet and sour sauce at a drive through at Stanmore Maccas at 3am, but the structural system , we can all see! Has soft levers for player movements & relationship pathways that shape where high value players end up which best support the institution.
It’s not controversial at all. Like if I had a lemonade stand I’d move it to where I optimize sales right?
On WA you’re using absolutism/ extreme logic again. My point was the PNG team already involved millions in Givt contracts. Tax arrangements and nrl strategy with incentives to ensure it is a success. To think otherwise would be naive…
On Chammas, thanks 🙏 for raising his role in PNG team, my question to you is, “why Chammas?” And “who made the appointment of Chammas?”
Would you want anyone as PR for your lemonade stand?
I’ll keep digging around 😊 cheers bro 😎
Do not worry about the Bears finances they have some very rich and powerful backers.
trentrunciman
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Ok, sure , the bears have financial capital. But how much pivoting of the nrl business model have we seen already?
Ofc Money is important but no where near enough. Like me giving you a million dollars to run a lemonade stand 4-5 hours away from where everyone else sells their goods & where all customers go.
Media, nrl draw, sponsorships … the whole ecosystem which surrounds the bears.
Have a look at what the afl did to accomodate west coast and Fremantle back in the 80s or 90s
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Have a good look how they are developing their junior clubs, would love to seen them field a ball side next season, then a flegg side they year after, same process Melbourne Storm have done. They have the money clout behind them but they have some very good league people in place to develop the game in WA yes they get floggings next year.
trentrunciman
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I love your optimism my man.
Melbourne isn’t a 4-5 hour flight with a 3 hour time difference.
What’s the point of juniors in Perth, if the competition hasn’t adjusted to Perth logistics?
The market needs to adjust to the team to. The NRL doesn’t even do it for the Warriors, why would they do it for Perth? Look at Covid, scheduling for the warriors etc,
Perth and NZ don’t have a multi million dollar contract at stake like PNG that’s the core difference my man
trentrunciman
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Re Farrell there’s a link with him in 2014 and that water company because the ceo of the water company was the tigers chair.
www.smh.com.au
Feel free to shoot me down - just random googling and doing my best …
Edit (you guys already discussed some of this link at length): https://weststigersforum.com/threads/di-girolamo.17658/
Have a nice night! ❤️
Nick Di Girolamo resigned from Wests Tigers club days before ICAC inquiry announced
Businessman Nick Di Girolamo resigned as deputy chairman of Wests Tigers rugby league club just days before being named in an inquiry being undertaken by the Independent Commission Against Corruption.
Feel free to shoot me down - just random googling and doing my best …
Edit (you guys already discussed some of this link at length): https://weststigersforum.com/threads/di-girolamo.17658/
Have a nice night! ❤️
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trentrunciman
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From 2019
www.nrl.com
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Wests Tigers chairwoman Marina Go has resigned from her post after almost five years at the helm of the joint venture.
Go is expected to remain in the role until at least after the club's opening round of the season, however NRL.com understands she informed the board of her resignation on December 24 given her frustrations over the NRL's punishment of the club in relation to an ambassador role offered to Robbie Farah.
Her board pleaded with her to stay on to help the club through its latest crisis, with Go agreeing to remain on until the salary cap drama had drawn to an end.
Go also decided to remain on because another director, Darren Perry, also resigned on December 24.
If Go left her post before Christmas, the board would have become unconstitutional given Go and Perry were the only two independent directors.
"I look forward to the start of the 2019 NRL season and will have the opportunity to speak with our sponsors and Members before my formal departure from the club," Go said in a statement on Monday.
"I have no doubt that with a passionate board, a talented and dedicated executive team, a Premiership-winning coach and excellent staff as well as a quality playing roster, Wests Tigers remain in good hands who will ensure the success of this club in to the future."
Meanwhile on Monday the Tigers announced Wests Ashfield Leagues Club CEO Simon Cook would lead the club as caretaker CEO until Justin Pascoe's return from suspension in June
NRL.com asked Go if she had resigned in an interview on Friday and, while Go did her best to avoid answering the question, she couldn't hide her frustrations.
"If I was to leave the club, and I will - I am going to leave the club at some point - it won't be because I don't love my club," Go told NRL.com on Friday.
"I love my club. But I have spent the past couple of months looking under the bonnet, or seeing up close, the governance of the game. I just feel if I was to leave, I would leave them to that."
Go was reluctant to leave in December as it would have placed the club in a precarious position given the attention on them, agreeing to stay on for up to six months.
She is expected to discuss her future - and her departure date - at a club board meeting following the round one game against the Sea Eagles at Leichhardt Oval.
Go has been instrumental in ensuring the financial sustainability of the once unstable club.
"On any given day, rugby league is the best thing I've ever done and the worst thing I've ever done," she said.
"What I like to do is to be able to contribute. I think I have contributed ... I do it for reasons of what I can give to the organisation - in this case the sport. I feel really proud of my contributions.
"I'm really proud. From four and a half years ago. One of the greatest challenges was actually to right the ship financially. And we've done that. To come out the end of last year in a position that was profitable - and we might slip back under now that we've got the fine - but it's a really wonderful position to be in for a very strong club. I'm very proud of that."
And then also
It’s almost always an issue with the governance layer (NRL admin) …the problem at the tigers is structural.
Wests Tigers chair Marina Go resigns
Wests Tigers chairwoman Marina Go has resigned from her post after almost five years at the helm of the joint venture.
www.nrl.com
Wests Tigers chair Marina Go resigns
AuthorMichael Chammas“
Wests Tigers chairwoman Marina Go has resigned from her post after almost five years at the helm of the joint venture.
Go is expected to remain in the role until at least after the club's opening round of the season, however NRL.com understands she informed the board of her resignation on December 24 given her frustrations over the NRL's punishment of the club in relation to an ambassador role offered to Robbie Farah.
Her board pleaded with her to stay on to help the club through its latest crisis, with Go agreeing to remain on until the salary cap drama had drawn to an end.
Go also decided to remain on because another director, Darren Perry, also resigned on December 24.
If Go left her post before Christmas, the board would have become unconstitutional given Go and Perry were the only two independent directors.
"I look forward to the start of the 2019 NRL season and will have the opportunity to speak with our sponsors and Members before my formal departure from the club," Go said in a statement on Monday.
"I have no doubt that with a passionate board, a talented and dedicated executive team, a Premiership-winning coach and excellent staff as well as a quality playing roster, Wests Tigers remain in good hands who will ensure the success of this club in to the future."
Meanwhile on Monday the Tigers announced Wests Ashfield Leagues Club CEO Simon Cook would lead the club as caretaker CEO until Justin Pascoe's return from suspension in June
NRL.com asked Go if she had resigned in an interview on Friday and, while Go did her best to avoid answering the question, she couldn't hide her frustrations.
"If I was to leave the club, and I will - I am going to leave the club at some point - it won't be because I don't love my club," Go told NRL.com on Friday.
"I love my club. But I have spent the past couple of months looking under the bonnet, or seeing up close, the governance of the game. I just feel if I was to leave, I would leave them to that."
Go was reluctant to leave in December as it would have placed the club in a precarious position given the attention on them, agreeing to stay on for up to six months.
She is expected to discuss her future - and her departure date - at a club board meeting following the round one game against the Sea Eagles at Leichhardt Oval.
Go has been instrumental in ensuring the financial sustainability of the once unstable club.
"On any given day, rugby league is the best thing I've ever done and the worst thing I've ever done," she said.
"What I like to do is to be able to contribute. I think I have contributed ... I do it for reasons of what I can give to the organisation - in this case the sport. I feel really proud of my contributions.
"I'm really proud. From four and a half years ago. One of the greatest challenges was actually to right the ship financially. And we've done that. To come out the end of last year in a position that was profitable - and we might slip back under now that we've got the fine - but it's a really wonderful position to be in for a very strong club. I'm very proud of that."
And then also
It’s almost always an issue with the governance layer (NRL admin) …the problem at the tigers is structural.
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