The coach is the issue

[gallagher]

We have some average players, but even those players are not playing up to their ability.

There seems to be no structure in attack or defence, no gameplan and not team work.

The bench rotation has been absolutely terrible for years with tired players left on too long, players on the bench playing minimal minutes.

There is a gameplan, just not a very good one. We are running block plays that were successful about 5 years ago at half pace on the back of no go forward. If anything the attack is playing too structured and the style we are using does not suit our players, no one runs the ball with any intensity. I defence we are waiting for the attacking players to engage our defensive line and then trying to hold the player up to allow the defensive line to reset. Problem is we are giving away easy metres, have backs running through our tackles.

We are lacking desire, purpose and hard running in attack and sting in defence, the game is played much more through the middle of the ruck now and we are still shuffling side to side.

Do you think it’s time to part ways with him?

I am coming around to that way of thinking but it concerns me, I don't think we will attract a better coach. I am worried what starting a new rebuild does to our long term survival as a club.

At this stage I lean to bringing in the best assistants we can find to give Madge more support.

I think there are many options out there that would improve the team. I think even John Morris would be an upgrade. Hell bring back Sheens in some capacity, he’d be gagging for a gig.

We need an experienced coach, not some rookie. This club is incredibly difficult to work with and only one coach has managed to be successful here. John Morris isn't ready to be the head coach here but I would be on the phone to him in the morning trying to get him here as an assistant.

Well we got an experienced coach and it didn’t work. What we need is someone who understands the modern game and can build rapport with players. Madge fails at both of those things.

Yep and we had rookies and they failed as well. We actually need a coach that can handle the internal mechanisms at the club, that takes experience. Madge is failing with game planning, the bests clubs have strong assistants to make up for the coaches weaknesses. So lets get in a good tactical coach and someone that works well with players as assistants.

Happy to get someone experienced, but we need break from Madge. He’s not going to have success here unfortunately

That is the point, we won't get the type of coach we need, they aren't going to come here.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time and it seems to be playing out how I thought it might. I think starting another rebuild now just about ends the club.

We are in a rebuild. This is not a first grade standard squad.

When were we' built'?

 

[TYGA]

We have some average players, but even those players are not playing up to their ability.

There seems to be no structure in attack or defence, no gameplan and not team work.

The bench rotation has been absolutely terrible for years with tired players left on too long, players on the bench playing minimal minutes.

There is a gameplan, just not a very good one. We are running block plays that were successful about 5 years ago at half pace on the back of no go forward. If anything the attack is playing too structured and the style we are using does not suit our players, no one runs the ball with any intensity. I defence we are waiting for the attacking players to engage our defensive line and then trying to hold the player up to allow the defensive line to reset. Problem is we are giving away easy metres, have backs running through our tackles.

We are lacking desire, purpose and hard running in attack and sting in defence, the game is played much more through the middle of the ruck now and we are still shuffling side to side.

Do you think it’s time to part ways with him?

I am coming around to that way of thinking but it concerns me, I don't think we will attract a better coach. I am worried what starting a new rebuild does to our long term survival as a club.

At this stage I lean to bringing in the best assistants we can find to give Madge more support.

I think there are many options out there that would improve the team. I think even John Morris would be an upgrade. Hell bring back Sheens in some capacity, he’d be gagging for a gig.

We need an experienced coach, not some rookie. This club is incredibly difficult to work with and only one coach has managed to be successful here. John Morris isn't ready to be the head coach here but I would be on the phone to him in the morning trying to get him here as an assistant.

Well we got an experienced coach and it didn’t work. What we need is someone who understands the modern game and can build rapport with players. Madge fails at both of those things.

Yep and we had rookies and they failed as well. We actually need a coach that can handle the internal mechanisms at the club, that takes experience. Madge is failing with game planning, the bests clubs have strong assistants to make up for the coaches weaknesses. So lets get in a good tactical coach and someone that works well with players as assistants.

Happy to get someone experienced, but we need break from Madge. He’s not going to have success here unfortunately

That is the point, we won't get the type of coach we need, they aren't going to come here.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time and it seems to be playing out how I thought it might. I think starting another rebuild now just about ends the club.

We are in a rebuild. This is not a first grade standard squad.

When were we' built'?

2005, 2011

 

[GNR4LIFE]

We have some average players, but even those players are not playing up to their ability.

There seems to be no structure in attack or defence, no gameplan and not team work.

The bench rotation has been absolutely terrible for years with tired players left on too long, players on the bench playing minimal minutes.

There is a gameplan, just not a very good one. We are running block plays that were successful about 5 years ago at half pace on the back of no go forward. If anything the attack is playing too structured and the style we are using does not suit our players, no one runs the ball with any intensity. I defence we are waiting for the attacking players to engage our defensive line and then trying to hold the player up to allow the defensive line to reset. Problem is we are giving away easy metres, have backs running through our tackles.

We are lacking desire, purpose and hard running in attack and sting in defence, the game is played much more through the middle of the ruck now and we are still shuffling side to side.

Do you think it’s time to part ways with him?

I am coming around to that way of thinking but it concerns me, I don't think we will attract a better coach. I am worried what starting a new rebuild does to our long term survival as a club.

At this stage I lean to bringing in the best assistants we can find to give Madge more support.

I think there are many options out there that would improve the team. I think even John Morris would be an upgrade. Hell bring back Sheens in some capacity, he’d be gagging for a gig.

We need an experienced coach, not some rookie. This club is incredibly difficult to work with and only one coach has managed to be successful here. John Morris isn't ready to be the head coach here but I would be on the phone to him in the morning trying to get him here as an assistant.

Well we got an experienced coach and it didn’t work. What we need is someone who understands the modern game and can build rapport with players. Madge fails at both of those things.

Yep and we had rookies and they failed as well. We actually need a coach that can handle the internal mechanisms at the club, that takes experience. Madge is failing with game planning, the bests clubs have strong assistants to make up for the coaches weaknesses. So lets get in a good tactical coach and someone that works well with players as assistants.

Happy to get someone experienced, but we need break from Madge. He’s not going to have success here unfortunately

That is the point, we won't get the type of coach we need, they aren't going to come here.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time and it seems to be playing out how I thought it might. I think starting another rebuild now just about ends the club.

We are in a rebuild. This is not a first grade standard squad.

We’re always in a rebuild. We perennial rebuilders. I hope no one in this club ever goes into construction, cos they can’t build anything

 

[TYGA]

We have some average players, but even those players are not playing up to their ability.

There seems to be no structure in attack or defence, no gameplan and not team work.

The bench rotation has been absolutely terrible for years with tired players left on too long, players on the bench playing minimal minutes.

There is a gameplan, just not a very good one. We are running block plays that were successful about 5 years ago at half pace on the back of no go forward. If anything the attack is playing too structured and the style we are using does not suit our players, no one runs the ball with any intensity. I defence we are waiting for the attacking players to engage our defensive line and then trying to hold the player up to allow the defensive line to reset. Problem is we are giving away easy metres, have backs running through our tackles.

We are lacking desire, purpose and hard running in attack and sting in defence, the game is played much more through the middle of the ruck now and we are still shuffling side to side.

Do you think it’s time to part ways with him?

I am coming around to that way of thinking but it concerns me, I don't think we will attract a better coach. I am worried what starting a new rebuild does to our long term survival as a club.

At this stage I lean to bringing in the best assistants we can find to give Madge more support.

I think there are many options out there that would improve the team. I think even John Morris would be an upgrade. Hell bring back Sheens in some capacity, he’d be gagging for a gig.

We need an experienced coach, not some rookie. This club is incredibly difficult to work with and only one coach has managed to be successful here. John Morris isn't ready to be the head coach here but I would be on the phone to him in the morning trying to get him here as an assistant.

Well we got an experienced coach and it didn’t work. What we need is someone who understands the modern game and can build rapport with players. Madge fails at both of those things.

Yep and we had rookies and they failed as well. We actually need a coach that can handle the internal mechanisms at the club, that takes experience. Madge is failing with game planning, the bests clubs have strong assistants to make up for the coaches weaknesses. So lets get in a good tactical coach and someone that works well with players as assistants.

Happy to get someone experienced, but we need break from Madge. He’s not going to have success here unfortunately

That is the point, we won't get the type of coach we need, they aren't going to come here.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time and it seems to be playing out how I thought it might. I think starting another rebuild now just about ends the club.

We are in a rebuild. This is not a first grade standard squad.

I think the squad is better than the results it is showing.

I agree. One win better the cowboys.

 

[cochise]

We have some average players, but even those players are not playing up to their ability.

There seems to be no structure in attack or defence, no gameplan and not team work.

The bench rotation has been absolutely terrible for years with tired players left on too long, players on the bench playing minimal minutes.

There is a gameplan, just not a very good one. We are running block plays that were successful about 5 years ago at half pace on the back of no go forward. If anything the attack is playing too structured and the style we are using does not suit our players, no one runs the ball with any intensity. I defence we are waiting for the attacking players to engage our defensive line and then trying to hold the player up to allow the defensive line to reset. Problem is we are giving away easy metres, have backs running through our tackles.

We are lacking desire, purpose and hard running in attack and sting in defence, the game is played much more through the middle of the ruck now and we are still shuffling side to side.

Do you think it’s time to part ways with him?

I am coming around to that way of thinking but it concerns me, I don't think we will attract a better coach. I am worried what starting a new rebuild does to our long term survival as a club.

At this stage I lean to bringing in the best assistants we can find to give Madge more support.

I think there are many options out there that would improve the team. I think even John Morris would be an upgrade. Hell bring back Sheens in some capacity, he’d be gagging for a gig.

We need an experienced coach, not some rookie. This club is incredibly difficult to work with and only one coach has managed to be successful here. John Morris isn't ready to be the head coach here but I would be on the phone to him in the morning trying to get him here as an assistant.

Well we got an experienced coach and it didn’t work. What we need is someone who understands the modern game and can build rapport with players. Madge fails at both of those things.

Yep and we had rookies and they failed as well. We actually need a coach that can handle the internal mechanisms at the club, that takes experience. Madge is failing with game planning, the bests clubs have strong assistants to make up for the coaches weaknesses. So lets get in a good tactical coach and someone that works well with players as assistants.

Happy to get someone experienced, but we need break from Madge. He’s not going to have success here unfortunately

That is the point, we won't get the type of coach we need, they aren't going to come here.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time and it seems to be playing out how I thought it might. I think starting another rebuild now just about ends the club.

We are in a rebuild. This is not a first grade standard squad.

We’re always in a rebuild. We perennial rebuilders. I hope no in this club ever goes into construction, cos they can’t build anything

I have fears for the COE lol

 

[avocadoontoast]

We have some average players, but even those players are not playing up to their ability.

There seems to be no structure in attack or defence, no gameplan and not team work.

The bench rotation has been absolutely terrible for years with tired players left on too long, players on the bench playing minimal minutes.

There is a gameplan, just not a very good one. We are running block plays that were successful about 5 years ago at half pace on the back of no go forward. If anything the attack is playing too structured and the style we are using does not suit our players, no one runs the ball with any intensity. I defence we are waiting for the attacking players to engage our defensive line and then trying to hold the player up to allow the defensive line to reset. Problem is we are giving away easy metres, have backs running through our tackles.

We are lacking desire, purpose and hard running in attack and sting in defence, the game is played much more through the middle of the ruck now and we are still shuffling side to side.

Do you think it’s time to part ways with him?

I am coming around to that way of thinking but it concerns me, I don't think we will attract a better coach. I am worried what starting a new rebuild does to our long term survival as a club.

At this stage I lean to bringing in the best assistants we can find to give Madge more support.

I think there are many options out there that would improve the team. I think even John Morris would be an upgrade. Hell bring back Sheens in some capacity, he’d be gagging for a gig.

We need an experienced coach, not some rookie. This club is incredibly difficult to work with and only one coach has managed to be successful here. John Morris isn't ready to be the head coach here but I would be on the phone to him in the morning trying to get him here as an assistant.

Well we got an experienced coach and it didn’t work. What we need is someone who understands the modern game and can build rapport with players. Madge fails at both of those things.

Yep and we had rookies and they failed as well. We actually need a coach that can handle the internal mechanisms at the club, that takes experience. Madge is failing with game planning, the bests clubs have strong assistants to make up for the coaches weaknesses. So lets get in a good tactical coach and someone that works well with players as assistants.

Happy to get someone experienced, but we need break from Madge. He’s not going to have success here unfortunately

That is the point, we won't get the type of coach we need, they aren't going to come here.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time and it seems to be playing out how I thought it might. I think starting another rebuild now just about ends the club.

You might be right, but I think continuing down this path might end the club too.

 

[cochise]

We have some average players, but even those players are not playing up to their ability.

There seems to be no structure in attack or defence, no gameplan and not team work.

The bench rotation has been absolutely terrible for years with tired players left on too long, players on the bench playing minimal minutes.

There is a gameplan, just not a very good one. We are running block plays that were successful about 5 years ago at half pace on the back of no go forward. If anything the attack is playing too structured and the style we are using does not suit our players, no one runs the ball with any intensity. I defence we are waiting for the attacking players to engage our defensive line and then trying to hold the player up to allow the defensive line to reset. Problem is we are giving away easy metres, have backs running through our tackles.

We are lacking desire, purpose and hard running in attack and sting in defence, the game is played much more through the middle of the ruck now and we are still shuffling side to side.

Do you think it’s time to part ways with him?

I am coming around to that way of thinking but it concerns me, I don't think we will attract a better coach. I am worried what starting a new rebuild does to our long term survival as a club.

At this stage I lean to bringing in the best assistants we can find to give Madge more support.

I think there are many options out there that would improve the team. I think even John Morris would be an upgrade. Hell bring back Sheens in some capacity, he’d be gagging for a gig.

We need an experienced coach, not some rookie. This club is incredibly difficult to work with and only one coach has managed to be successful here. John Morris isn't ready to be the head coach here but I would be on the phone to him in the morning trying to get him here as an assistant.

Well we got an experienced coach and it didn’t work. What we need is someone who understands the modern game and can build rapport with players. Madge fails at both of those things.

Yep and we had rookies and they failed as well. We actually need a coach that can handle the internal mechanisms at the club, that takes experience. Madge is failing with game planning, the bests clubs have strong assistants to make up for the coaches weaknesses. So lets get in a good tactical coach and someone that works well with players as assistants.

Happy to get someone experienced, but we need break from Madge. He’s not going to have success here unfortunately

That is the point, we won't get the type of coach we need, they aren't going to come here.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time and it seems to be playing out how I thought it might. I think starting another rebuild now just about ends the club.

We are in a rebuild. This is not a first grade standard squad.

I think the squad is better than the results it is showing.

I agree. One win better the cowboys.

With terrible tactics and archaic game plan.

 

[rihannafan1]

We have some average players, but even those players are not playing up to their ability.

There seems to be no structure in attack or defence, no gameplan and not team work.

The bench rotation has been absolutely terrible for years with tired players left on too long, players on the bench playing minimal minutes.

There is a gameplan, just not a very good one. We are running block plays that were successful about 5 years ago at half pace on the back of no go forward. If anything the attack is playing too structured and the style we are using does not suit our players, no one runs the ball with any intensity. I defence we are waiting for the attacking players to engage our defensive line and then trying to hold the player up to allow the defensive line to reset. Problem is we are giving away easy metres, have backs running through our tackles.

We are lacking desire, purpose and hard running in attack and sting in defence, the game is played much more through the middle of the ruck now and we are still shuffling side to side.

Do you think it’s time to part ways with him?

I am coming around to that way of thinking but it concerns me, I don't think we will attract a better coach. I am worried what starting a new rebuild does to our long term survival as a club.

At this stage I lean to bringing in the best assistants we can find to give Madge more support.

I think there are many options out there that would improve the team. I think even John Morris would be an upgrade. Hell bring back Sheens in some capacity, he’d be gagging for a gig.

We need an experienced coach, not some rookie. This club is incredibly difficult to work with and only one coach has managed to be successful here. John Morris isn't ready to be the head coach here but I would be on the phone to him in the morning trying to get him here as an assistant.

Well we got an experienced coach and it didn’t work. What we need is someone who understands the modern game and can build rapport with players. Madge fails at both of those things.

Yep and we had rookies and they failed as well. We actually need a coach that can handle the internal mechanisms at the club, that takes experience. Madge is failing with game planning, the bests clubs have strong assistants to make up for the coaches weaknesses. So lets get in a good tactical coach and someone that works well with players as assistants.

Happy to get someone experienced, but we need break from Madge. He’s not going to have success here unfortunately

That is the point, we won't get the type of coach we need, they aren't going to come here.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time and it seems to be playing out how I thought it might. I think starting another rebuild now just about ends the club.

You seem to have a bit of inside knowledge of the club. What makes the internal mechanisms so difficult about WT?

I've been the lead on a few change management projects, some which were too much for me. Experience is vital. The issue with us is I don't know who in the NRL has the experience we need for a rebuild except for Phil Gould and Craig Bellamy. Most coaches never get to see the end of their rebuild or have never been through one (eg. Bennett).

 

[gallagher]

We have some average players, but even those players are not playing up to their ability.

There seems to be no structure in attack or defence, no gameplan and not team work.

The bench rotation has been absolutely terrible for years with tired players left on too long, players on the bench playing minimal minutes.

There is a gameplan, just not a very good one. We are running block plays that were successful about 5 years ago at half pace on the back of no go forward. If anything the attack is playing too structured and the style we are using does not suit our players, no one runs the ball with any intensity. I defence we are waiting for the attacking players to engage our defensive line and then trying to hold the player up to allow the defensive line to reset. Problem is we are giving away easy metres, have backs running through our tackles.

We are lacking desire, purpose and hard running in attack and sting in defence, the game is played much more through the middle of the ruck now and we are still shuffling side to side.

Do you think it’s time to part ways with him?

I am coming around to that way of thinking but it concerns me, I don't think we will attract a better coach. I am worried what starting a new rebuild does to our long term survival as a club.

At this stage I lean to bringing in the best assistants we can find to give Madge more support.

I think there are many options out there that would improve the team. I think even John Morris would be an upgrade. Hell bring back Sheens in some capacity, he’d be gagging for a gig.

We need an experienced coach, not some rookie. This club is incredibly difficult to work with and only one coach has managed to be successful here. John Morris isn't ready to be the head coach here but I would be on the phone to him in the morning trying to get him here as an assistant.

Well we got an experienced coach and it didn’t work. What we need is someone who understands the modern game and can build rapport with players. Madge fails at both of those things.

Yep and we had rookies and they failed as well. We actually need a coach that can handle the internal mechanisms at the club, that takes experience. Madge is failing with game planning, the bests clubs have strong assistants to make up for the coaches weaknesses. So lets get in a good tactical coach and someone that works well with players as assistants.

Happy to get someone experienced, but we need break from Madge. He’s not going to have success here unfortunately

That is the point, we won't get the type of coach we need, they aren't going to come here.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time and it seems to be playing out how I thought it might. I think starting another rebuild now just about ends the club.

We are in a rebuild. This is not a first grade standard squad.

When were we' built'?
2005, 2011

Good teams then. Do you think the club was built then?

 

[cochise]

We have some average players, but even those players are not playing up to their ability.

There seems to be no structure in attack or defence, no gameplan and not team work.

The bench rotation has been absolutely terrible for years with tired players left on too long, players on the bench playing minimal minutes.

There is a gameplan, just not a very good one. We are running block plays that were successful about 5 years ago at half pace on the back of no go forward. If anything the attack is playing too structured and the style we are using does not suit our players, no one runs the ball with any intensity. I defence we are waiting for the attacking players to engage our defensive line and then trying to hold the player up to allow the defensive line to reset. Problem is we are giving away easy metres, have backs running through our tackles.

We are lacking desire, purpose and hard running in attack and sting in defence, the game is played much more through the middle of the ruck now and we are still shuffling side to side.

Do you think it’s time to part ways with him?

I am coming around to that way of thinking but it concerns me, I don't think we will attract a better coach. I am worried what starting a new rebuild does to our long term survival as a club.

At this stage I lean to bringing in the best assistants we can find to give Madge more support.

I think there are many options out there that would improve the team. I think even John Morris would be an upgrade. Hell bring back Sheens in some capacity, he’d be gagging for a gig.

We need an experienced coach, not some rookie. This club is incredibly difficult to work with and only one coach has managed to be successful here. John Morris isn't ready to be the head coach here but I would be on the phone to him in the morning trying to get him here as an assistant.

Well we got an experienced coach and it didn’t work. What we need is someone who understands the modern game and can build rapport with players. Madge fails at both of those things.

Yep and we had rookies and they failed as well. We actually need a coach that can handle the internal mechanisms at the club, that takes experience. Madge is failing with game planning, the bests clubs have strong assistants to make up for the coaches weaknesses. So lets get in a good tactical coach and someone that works well with players as assistants.

Happy to get someone experienced, but we need break from Madge. He’s not going to have success here unfortunately

That is the point, we won't get the type of coach we need, they aren't going to come here.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time and it seems to be playing out how I thought it might. I think starting another rebuild now just about ends the club.

You might be right, but I think continuing down this path might end the club too.

There is a method to my madness, I would have really strong assistants, if Madge doesn't want that than he can walk. If we continue down this path we have replacements with an idea of how the club works.

 

[851]

Time for the dinosaur to be moved on at seasons end ..3 seasons in and the team looks like a rabble ..this is totally his doing !
The game has moved on but the coach is still playing yesterday's game ,what a disaster this has become .
If the club has an option it needs to be implemented immediately and a new coach sourced for 2022.

Not much more to say snake only thing is why wait till end of season

Exactly, how are we going to re-sign Lucy and Simpkin, and attract new players, needs to go now, get Bomber on the phone tonight and get him here tomorrow

 

[TYGA]

We have some average players, but even those players are not playing up to their ability.

There seems to be no structure in attack or defence, no gameplan and not team work.

The bench rotation has been absolutely terrible for years with tired players left on too long, players on the bench playing minimal minutes.

There is a gameplan, just not a very good one. We are running block plays that were successful about 5 years ago at half pace on the back of no go forward. If anything the attack is playing too structured and the style we are using does not suit our players, no one runs the ball with any intensity. I defence we are waiting for the attacking players to engage our defensive line and then trying to hold the player up to allow the defensive line to reset. Problem is we are giving away easy metres, have backs running through our tackles.

We are lacking desire, purpose and hard running in attack and sting in defence, the game is played much more through the middle of the ruck now and we are still shuffling side to side.

Do you think it’s time to part ways with him?

I am coming around to that way of thinking but it concerns me, I don't think we will attract a better coach. I am worried what starting a new rebuild does to our long term survival as a club.

At this stage I lean to bringing in the best assistants we can find to give Madge more support.

I think there are many options out there that would improve the team. I think even John Morris would be an upgrade. Hell bring back Sheens in some capacity, he’d be gagging for a gig.

We need an experienced coach, not some rookie. This club is incredibly difficult to work with and only one coach has managed to be successful here. John Morris isn't ready to be the head coach here but I would be on the phone to him in the morning trying to get him here as an assistant.

Well we got an experienced coach and it didn’t work. What we need is someone who understands the modern game and can build rapport with players. Madge fails at both of those things.

Yep and we had rookies and they failed as well. We actually need a coach that can handle the internal mechanisms at the club, that takes experience. Madge is failing with game planning, the bests clubs have strong assistants to make up for the coaches weaknesses. So lets get in a good tactical coach and someone that works well with players as assistants.

Happy to get someone experienced, but we need break from Madge. He’s not going to have success here unfortunately

That is the point, we won't get the type of coach we need, they aren't going to come here.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time and it seems to be playing out how I thought it might. I think starting another rebuild now just about ends the club.

We are in a rebuild. This is not a first grade standard squad.

When were we' built'?
2005, 2011

Good teams then. Do you think the club was built then?

2005 was interesting as we won the junior grades 2 years earlier and many players came through with some old veterans. We crumbled due to Benji injuries and Prince/Lafranchi being poached by Titans.

2011 was a back ended roster that went for glory. Was the start of a long downfall amongst Balmain folding and more recently all our juniors leaving.

 

[cochise]

We have some average players, but even those players are not playing up to their ability.

There seems to be no structure in attack or defence, no gameplan and not team work.

The bench rotation has been absolutely terrible for years with tired players left on too long, players on the bench playing minimal minutes.

There is a gameplan, just not a very good one. We are running block plays that were successful about 5 years ago at half pace on the back of no go forward. If anything the attack is playing too structured and the style we are using does not suit our players, no one runs the ball with any intensity. I defence we are waiting for the attacking players to engage our defensive line and then trying to hold the player up to allow the defensive line to reset. Problem is we are giving away easy metres, have backs running through our tackles.

We are lacking desire, purpose and hard running in attack and sting in defence, the game is played much more through the middle of the ruck now and we are still shuffling side to side.

Do you think it’s time to part ways with him?

I am coming around to that way of thinking but it concerns me, I don't think we will attract a better coach. I am worried what starting a new rebuild does to our long term survival as a club.

At this stage I lean to bringing in the best assistants we can find to give Madge more support.

I think there are many options out there that would improve the team. I think even John Morris would be an upgrade. Hell bring back Sheens in some capacity, he’d be gagging for a gig.

We need an experienced coach, not some rookie. This club is incredibly difficult to work with and only one coach has managed to be successful here. John Morris isn't ready to be the head coach here but I would be on the phone to him in the morning trying to get him here as an assistant.

Well we got an experienced coach and it didn’t work. What we need is someone who understands the modern game and can build rapport with players. Madge fails at both of those things.

Yep and we had rookies and they failed as well. We actually need a coach that can handle the internal mechanisms at the club, that takes experience. Madge is failing with game planning, the bests clubs have strong assistants to make up for the coaches weaknesses. So lets get in a good tactical coach and someone that works well with players as assistants.

Happy to get someone experienced, but we need break from Madge. He’s not going to have success here unfortunately

That is the point, we won't get the type of coach we need, they aren't going to come here.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time and it seems to be playing out how I thought it might. I think starting another rebuild now just about ends the club.

You seem to have a bit of inside knowledge of the club. What makes the internal mechanisms so difficult about WT?

I've been the lead on a few change management projects, some which were too much for me. Experience is vital. The issue with us is I don't know who in the NRL has the experience we need for a rebuild except for Phil Gould and Craig Bellamy. Most coaches never get to see the end of their rebuild or have never been through one (eg. Bennett).

We need a coach like Bellamy if we were to switch horses. The club has always been difficult to work with, Sheens was able to harness it and control it but no one else really has.

 

[JC99]

We have some average players, but even those players are not playing up to their ability.

There seems to be no structure in attack or defence, no gameplan and not team work.

The bench rotation has been absolutely terrible for years with tired players left on too long, players on the bench playing minimal minutes.

There is a gameplan, just not a very good one. We are running block plays that were successful about 5 years ago at half pace on the back of no go forward. If anything the attack is playing too structured and the style we are using does not suit our players, no one runs the ball with any intensity. I defence we are waiting for the attacking players to engage our defensive line and then trying to hold the player up to allow the defensive line to reset. Problem is we are giving away easy metres, have backs running through our tackles.

We are lacking desire, purpose and hard running in attack and sting in defence, the game is played much more through the middle of the ruck now and we are still shuffling side to side.

Do you think it’s time to part ways with him?

I am coming around to that way of thinking but it concerns me, I don't think we will attract a better coach. I am worried what starting a new rebuild does to our long term survival as a club.

At this stage I lean to bringing in the best assistants we can find to give Madge more support.

I think there are many options out there that would improve the team. I think even John Morris would be an upgrade. Hell bring back Sheens in some capacity, he’d be gagging for a gig.

We need an experienced coach, not some rookie. This club is incredibly difficult to work with and only one coach has managed to be successful here. John Morris isn't ready to be the head coach here but I would be on the phone to him in the morning trying to get him here as an assistant.

Well we got an experienced coach and it didn’t work. What we need is someone who understands the modern game and can build rapport with players. Madge fails at both of those things.

Yep and we had rookies and they failed as well. We actually need a coach that can handle the internal mechanisms at the club, that takes experience. Madge is failing with game planning, the bests clubs have strong assistants to make up for the coaches weaknesses. So lets get in a good tactical coach and someone that works well with players as assistants.

Happy to get someone experienced, but we need break from Madge. He’s not going to have success here unfortunately

That is the point, we won't get the type of coach we need, they aren't going to come here.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time and it seems to be playing out how I thought it might. I think starting another rebuild now just about ends the club.

You seem to have a bit of inside knowledge of the club. What makes the internal mechanisms so difficult about WT?

I've been the lead on a few change management projects, some which were too much for me. Experience is vital. The issue with us is I don't know who in the NRL has the experience we need for a rebuild except for Phil Gould and Craig Bellamy. Most coaches never get to see the end of their rebuild or have never been through one (eg. Bennett).

We need a coach like Bellamy if we were to switch horses. The club has always been difficult to work with, Sheens was able to harness it and control it but no one else really has.

Even he lost his way eventually...

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

Okay so we sack Madge, then what? The next coach comes in, says he hasn't got the right type of players for his style, spends the next 2 years cleaning out the roster, then in 2024 we are where we are right now again.

Then in 2024 we sack that coach, next coach does the same thing, and so on. Occasionally someone will come in with an eye for instant success, and royally mess up our roster so badly that it sets us back 4 years (Cleary).

I'm riding this train all the way to wooden spoon station. I'd rather come last than stay in a perpetual loop of the last 10 years - which is what WILL happen if we sack Madge.

I'm sure there would be many (not) lining up for the position.

 

[TYGA]

We have some average players, but even those players are not playing up to their ability.

There seems to be no structure in attack or defence, no gameplan and not team work.

The bench rotation has been absolutely terrible for years with tired players left on too long, players on the bench playing minimal minutes.

There is a gameplan, just not a very good one. We are running block plays that were successful about 5 years ago at half pace on the back of no go forward. If anything the attack is playing too structured and the style we are using does not suit our players, no one runs the ball with any intensity. I defence we are waiting for the attacking players to engage our defensive line and then trying to hold the player up to allow the defensive line to reset. Problem is we are giving away easy metres, have backs running through our tackles.

We are lacking desire, purpose and hard running in attack and sting in defence, the game is played much more through the middle of the ruck now and we are still shuffling side to side.

Do you think it’s time to part ways with him?

I am coming around to that way of thinking but it concerns me, I don't think we will attract a better coach. I am worried what starting a new rebuild does to our long term survival as a club.

At this stage I lean to bringing in the best assistants we can find to give Madge more support.

I think there are many options out there that would improve the team. I think even John Morris would be an upgrade. Hell bring back Sheens in some capacity, he’d be gagging for a gig.

We need an experienced coach, not some rookie. This club is incredibly difficult to work with and only one coach has managed to be successful here. John Morris isn't ready to be the head coach here but I would be on the phone to him in the morning trying to get him here as an assistant.

Well we got an experienced coach and it didn’t work. What we need is someone who understands the modern game and can build rapport with players. Madge fails at both of those things.

Yep and we had rookies and they failed as well. We actually need a coach that can handle the internal mechanisms at the club, that takes experience. Madge is failing with game planning, the bests clubs have strong assistants to make up for the coaches weaknesses. So lets get in a good tactical coach and someone that works well with players as assistants.

Happy to get someone experienced, but we need break from Madge. He’s not going to have success here unfortunately

That is the point, we won't get the type of coach we need, they aren't going to come here.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time and it seems to be playing out how I thought it might. I think starting another rebuild now just about ends the club.

We are in a rebuild. This is not a first grade standard squad.

I think the squad is better than the results it is showing.

I agree. One win better the cowboys.

With terrible tactics and archaic game plan.

Madge can improve however, wishful thinking this team does anything. A lot of fans are on the sack Madge bandwagon as unfortunately they think it’s a solution.

The team is not up to standard and the damage of sacking another coach is huge.
The next coach knows we suck and he will get sacked when the same thing happens.

Players are missing tackles and our outside backs are the Benny hill show.

 

[hsvjones]

Time for the dinosaur to be moved on at seasons end ..3 seasons in and the team looks like a rabble ..this is totally his doing !
The game has moved on but the coach is still playing yesterday's game ,what a disaster this has become .
If the club has an option it needs to be implemented immediately and a new coach sourced for 2022.

I have been sticking up for Madge for a long time but I am so sick of losing and something needs to change urgently.
I don't have the answer but if we let Madge go I would go after Flanagan.. For some reason players really want to play for him.

Changing our coach is not the answer that sounds a simple solution cause it’s one bloke in the fireing line. The problem is more widespread than that

I personally like Madge and think we need to move players on but when we are losing like this its hard to get players to come here. If the club was to pull the pin then I suggested Flanagan but clearly we need some mentally tough players ASAP.

 

[cochise]

We have some average players, but even those players are not playing up to their ability.

There seems to be no structure in attack or defence, no gameplan and not team work.

The bench rotation has been absolutely terrible for years with tired players left on too long, players on the bench playing minimal minutes.

There is a gameplan, just not a very good one. We are running block plays that were successful about 5 years ago at half pace on the back of no go forward. If anything the attack is playing too structured and the style we are using does not suit our players, no one runs the ball with any intensity. I defence we are waiting for the attacking players to engage our defensive line and then trying to hold the player up to allow the defensive line to reset. Problem is we are giving away easy metres, have backs running through our tackles.

We are lacking desire, purpose and hard running in attack and sting in defence, the game is played much more through the middle of the ruck now and we are still shuffling side to side.

Do you think it’s time to part ways with him?

I am coming around to that way of thinking but it concerns me, I don't think we will attract a better coach. I am worried what starting a new rebuild does to our long term survival as a club.

At this stage I lean to bringing in the best assistants we can find to give Madge more support.

I think there are many options out there that would improve the team. I think even John Morris would be an upgrade. Hell bring back Sheens in some capacity, he’d be gagging for a gig.

We need an experienced coach, not some rookie. This club is incredibly difficult to work with and only one coach has managed to be successful here. John Morris isn't ready to be the head coach here but I would be on the phone to him in the morning trying to get him here as an assistant.

Well we got an experienced coach and it didn’t work. What we need is someone who understands the modern game and can build rapport with players. Madge fails at both of those things.

Yep and we had rookies and they failed as well. We actually need a coach that can handle the internal mechanisms at the club, that takes experience. Madge is failing with game planning, the bests clubs have strong assistants to make up for the coaches weaknesses. So lets get in a good tactical coach and someone that works well with players as assistants.

Happy to get someone experienced, but we need break from Madge. He’s not going to have success here unfortunately

That is the point, we won't get the type of coach we need, they aren't going to come here.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time and it seems to be playing out how I thought it might. I think starting another rebuild now just about ends the club.

You seem to have a bit of inside knowledge of the club. What makes the internal mechanisms so difficult about WT?

I've been the lead on a few change management projects, some which were too much for me. Experience is vital. The issue with us is I don't know who in the NRL has the experience we need for a rebuild except for Phil Gould and Craig Bellamy. Most coaches never get to see the end of their rebuild or have never been through one (eg. Bennett).

We need a coach like Bellamy if we were to switch horses. The club has always been difficult to work with, Sheens was able to harness it and control it but no one else really has.

Even he lost his way eventually...

I think his strength was bringing players through, I was actually talking with someone on here about that today. That he brought the young players through and peaked in 2005 then hit some low years and rebuilt and peaked again in the backend of 09 through to 2011. they predicted he may have had another peak if he could have held it together until Moses, Teddy, Brooks and co came through and hit there straps around the 2015 period.

The issue with that was he was losing the senior players at the end of reign here but it is certainly possible he could have done better with the "big 4"

 

[cochise]

We have some average players, but even those players are not playing up to their ability.

There seems to be no structure in attack or defence, no gameplan and not team work.

The bench rotation has been absolutely terrible for years with tired players left on too long, players on the bench playing minimal minutes.

There is a gameplan, just not a very good one. We are running block plays that were successful about 5 years ago at half pace on the back of no go forward. If anything the attack is playing too structured and the style we are using does not suit our players, no one runs the ball with any intensity. I defence we are waiting for the attacking players to engage our defensive line and then trying to hold the player up to allow the defensive line to reset. Problem is we are giving away easy metres, have backs running through our tackles.

We are lacking desire, purpose and hard running in attack and sting in defence, the game is played much more through the middle of the ruck now and we are still shuffling side to side.

Do you think it’s time to part ways with him?

I am coming around to that way of thinking but it concerns me, I don't think we will attract a better coach. I am worried what starting a new rebuild does to our long term survival as a club.

At this stage I lean to bringing in the best assistants we can find to give Madge more support.

I think there are many options out there that would improve the team. I think even John Morris would be an upgrade. Hell bring back Sheens in some capacity, he’d be gagging for a gig.

We need an experienced coach, not some rookie. This club is incredibly difficult to work with and only one coach has managed to be successful here. John Morris isn't ready to be the head coach here but I would be on the phone to him in the morning trying to get him here as an assistant.

Well we got an experienced coach and it didn’t work. What we need is someone who understands the modern game and can build rapport with players. Madge fails at both of those things.

Yep and we had rookies and they failed as well. We actually need a coach that can handle the internal mechanisms at the club, that takes experience. Madge is failing with game planning, the bests clubs have strong assistants to make up for the coaches weaknesses. So lets get in a good tactical coach and someone that works well with players as assistants.

Happy to get someone experienced, but we need break from Madge. He’s not going to have success here unfortunately

That is the point, we won't get the type of coach we need, they aren't going to come here.

I have had concerns about Madge for a long time and it seems to be playing out how I thought it might. I think starting another rebuild now just about ends the club.

We are in a rebuild. This is not a first grade standard squad.

I think the squad is better than the results it is showing.

I agree. One win better the cowboys.

With terrible tactics and archaic game plan.

Madge can improve however, wishful thinking this team does anything. A lot of fans are on the sack Madge bandwagon as unfortunately they think it’s a solution.

The team is not up to standard and the damage of sacking another coach is huge.
The next coach knows we suck and he will get sacked when the same thing happens.

Players are missing tackles and our outside backs are the Benny hill show.

I don't think Madge can improve, that is what I have feared all along that he is unable to make adjustments to his style. I don't think we should be sacking him however as it as you say I don't think we would recover from the damage that would cause. I would instead bring in the strongest assistants we can find.

 

[JC99]

Here's the cycle of tigers. Have some decent juniors come through, still lose because they're not fully ready, lose them (and they kill it elsewhere) coach gets sacked, sign a new coach, we sign a bunch of duds and have a busted cap for a few years, wash rinse repeat

As bad as we are going I think we need to break that cycle.