The Contenders: Hooker

[Masterton]

Anyone have in-depth stats for last season as to the amount of Mins Liddle started to play before his Injury.
I was thinking in a couple of games towards the end he was pushing out 65 at least.

Looks like some of the stats have been lost with the last NRL website update, but here's a snapshot up to rd 16

4. Storm
POS: Interchange
L 22-14 42 0 0 0 5 54 0 0 1 20 4 0
6. Cowboys
POS: Interchange
W 26-16 28 1 0 0 5 39 1 0 0 18 2 2
7. Eels
POS: Interchange
L 22-26 25 0 0 0 3 32 0 0 0 16 2 0
8. Bulldogs
POS: Interchange
W 12-18 32 0 0 0 4 13 0 0 0 19 2 0
9. Sharks
POS: Interchange
L 22-16 50 0 0 0 6 48 0 0 0 39 2 0
10. Rabbitohs
POS: Interchange
L 28-8 27 0 0 0 7 26 0 0 0 21 5 0
11. Broncos
POS: Interchange
L 0-36 53 0 0 0 4 47 1 0 0 27 2 2
13. Dragons
POS: Interchange
L 12-16 53 0 0 0 4 43 0 0 0 28 2 0
14. Roosters
POS: Interchange
L 40-18 31 0 0 0 2 18 0 0 0 15 0 1
15. Sharks
POS: Interchange
L 22-24 50 1 0 0 5 39 1 0 1 35 0 0
16. Titans
POS: Hooker
L 26-14 67 0 0 0 4 22 0 0 1 45 4 0
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[Harvey]

I think that this is an area we need to look to recruit in. McIllwrick offers little in attack, has average DH service, and can even be shaky in defence when fatigued. Liddle has more of an upside, but may not be durable enough to handle the full load at this point.
ET will defend the middle of the field and help control the ruck, but offers nothing in attack from DH, and would also mean we no longer have his ball playing skills a pass or two wide.
In Brooks and Reynolds, we do not have the most creative halves and so I think we need to have a DH that will ask questions of the defence.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Yeah it’s a pity we couldn’t develop a state of origin hooker to play his whole career with us…..oh wait.....

 

[Geo]

Yep can see Benji kepping the middle tight in defence…

 

[Tacky]

I have our order of preference for hooker as:

1\. Liddle, 2\. Mcilwrick, 3\. Taylor, 4\. Marshall, 5\. Godinet.

 

[Nelson]

I think that this is an area we need to look to recruit in. McIllwrick offers little in attack, has average DH service, and can even be shaky in defence when fatigued. Liddle has more of an upside, but may not be durable enough to handle the full load at this point.
ET will defend the middle of the field and help control the ruck, but offers nothing in attack from DH, and would also mean we no longer have his ball playing skills a pass or two wide.
In Brooks and Reynolds, we do not have the most creative halves and so I think we need to have a DH that will ask questions of the defence.

If Brooks and Reynolds get early ball out in front of them they'll be able to put far more pressure on the defence, plus we will have a ball playing fullback in Lolohea so we don't necessarily need a Hodgson type DH handling the creative load. ET showed great service in that World Cup game and would be tough to stop close to the line given his strength. That's all he needs to offer in attack really. He's got enough game smarts that he should be able to time his runs from DH reasonably well as well.

Given the question marks over where ET best fits in the team with Eisenhuth coming on well as lock and 2nd row options like McQueen, Aloiai, Marsters and Lawrence available I think giving ET a stint at hooker is a good use of him - it keeps him defending in the middle but provides for a metre making lock (which ET isn't). ET plays first 25-30 at hooker and is then subbed for Liddle/McIlwrick (and they play out the game). Eisenhuth is then subbed for ET at around 55 minutes. We lose some ball playing at lock sure but Eisenhuth has showed ability in that are at least.

 

[Needaname]

I'm thinking there will be 2 Schools of thought.

With McRilrik as our available hooker,
He will start and ET will be Lock.
Eiso will come off the bench once ET fills in at hooker.

When liddle is ready he will be first coming off the bench.
With ET being the prefered hooker back up between him and Mc he would be starting hooker.
Eiso will be starting lock.
Liddle will come off the bench and work his way into eventually playing out full minutes.

What we may end up with by the end of the year is.

9\. Liddle 80
13\. Eiso 60
14\. ET, backrow, lock or hooker if required.

 

[Needaname]

Anyone have in-depth stats for last season as to the amount of Mins Liddle started to play before his Injury.
I was thinking in a couple of games towards the end he was pushing out 65 at least.

Looks like some of the stats have been lost with the last NRL website update, but here's a snapshot up to rd 16

4. Storm
POS: Interchange
L 22-14 42 0 0 0 5 54 0 0 1 20 4 0
6. Cowboys
POS: Interchange
W 26-16 28 1 0 0 5 39 1 0 0 18 2 2
7. Eels
POS: Interchange
L 22-26 25 0 0 0 3 32 0 0 0 16 2 0
8. Bulldogs
POS: Interchange
W 12-18 32 0 0 0 4 13 0 0 0 19 2 0
9. Sharks
POS: Interchange
L 22-16 50 0 0 0 6 48 0 0 0 39 2 0
10. Rabbitohs
POS: Interchange
L 28-8 27 0 0 0 7 26 0 0 0 21 5 0
11. Broncos
POS: Interchange
L 0-36 53 0 0 0 4 47 1 0 0 27 2 2
13. Dragons
POS: Interchange
L 12-16 53 0 0 0 4 43 0 0 0 28 2 0
14. Roosters
POS: Interchange
L 40-18 31 0 0 0 2 18 0 0 0 15 0 1
15. Sharks
POS: Interchange
L 22-24 50 1 0 0 5 39 1 0 1 35 0 0
16. Titans
POS: Hooker
L 26-14 67 0 0 0 4 22 0 0 1 45 4 0

Thanks Masterton.
That last game was the first game Liddle started at Hooker.
The next game was newcastle where I think he played over 70, I seem to only remember Mckiller coming on late.
The following game done after 4mins.
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[colmcd]

I have our order of preference for hooker as:

1\. Liddle, 2\. Mcilwrick, 3\. Taylor, 4\. Marshall, 5\. Godinet.

Looking above though, it seems that Liddle was only playing for an average of about 40 minutes.

I can only imaging Taylor going 80 minutes. Mcilwrick maybe if he really really trains hard, but Taylor is the only player I can see regularly going at 80 minutes.

So you either plan to have a reserve hooker or have someone like Marshall who can play hooker + be a replacement for most players.

 

[Geo]

Wait up …..I was curious with this suggestion of Marshall at hooker so looked up his career only to discover Marshall has played a grand total of 0 games at hooker..has come off the bench 8 times for the Broncos and that infamous 1 time for the Wests Tigers never coming on as hooker I believe always in the halves...

I don't think I have seen him defend in the middle of the field...maybe we could innovate and play him there in attack and defend on the wing back to the future 05 style...could work...

 

[Tacky]

I have our order of preference for hooker as:

1\. Liddle, 2\. Mcilwrick, 3\. Taylor, 4\. Marshall, 5\. Godinet.

Looking above though, it seems that Liddle was only playing for an average of about 40 minutes.

I can only imaging Taylor going 80 minutes. Mcilwrick maybe if he really really trains hard, but Taylor is the only player I can see regularly going at 80 minutes.

So you either plan to have a reserve hooker or have someone like Marshall who can play hooker + be a replacement for most players.

There's a couple of different ways you can do it. You could have Liddle playing 2 stints and have Talor play dummy half while he's off. You could have Liddle start with Mcilwrick on the bench. You could even have Josh Reynolds switch to hooker and have Marshall off the bench to play 5/8\. Either way, I still have Liddle as our most talented hooker.

 

[Masterton]

There's a couple of different ways you can do it. You could have Liddle playing 2 stints and have Talor play dummy half while he's off.

It's bad enough wasting an interchange on a hooker, there's no way they will waste 2.

 

[earl]

Wait up …..I was curious with this suggestion of Marshall at hooker so looked up his career only to discover Marshall has played a grand total of 0 games at hooker..has come off the bench 8 times for the Broncos and that infamous 1 time for the Wests Tigers never coming on as hooker I believe always in the halves...

I don't think I have seen him defend in the middle of the field...maybe we could innovate and play him there in attack and defend on the wing back to the future 05 style...could work...

Genius.

 

[upthetigers]

You could even have Josh Reynolds switch to hooker and have Marshall off the bench to play 5/8.

^ This. Benji is back and no one wants to utilize him in the halves? It also boggles my mind how everyone thinks Taylor is a better option than Reynolds for the hooking role.

 

[Geo]

Yes we should chop n change the spine positions 3 times a game…mind boogling indeed

 

[upthetigers]

Yes we should chop n change the spine positions 3 times a game…mind boogling indeed

We don't have an 80 min hooker so he needs to be replaced = mind blown. Excuse me for thinking replacing him with the best option made sense.

 

[Masterton]

Whether or not Reynolds is the best option at hooker (I vote no, not even close), most coaches like to keep their spine intact.

 

[Russell]

Whether or not Reynolds is the best option at hooker (I vote no, not even close), most coaches like to keep their spine intact.

What has he played 1 or 2 games at hooker. Taylor would eat him as a hooker.

I vote no as well.

 

[colmcd]

I have our order of preference for hooker as:

1\. Liddle, 2\. Mcilwrick, 3\. Taylor, 4\. Marshall, 5\. Godinet.

Looking above though, it seems that Liddle was only playing for an average of about 40 minutes.

I can only imaging Taylor going 80 minutes. Mcilwrick maybe if he really really trains hard, but Taylor is the only player I can see regularly going at 80 minutes.

So you either plan to have a reserve hooker or have someone like Marshall who can play hooker + be a replacement for most players.

There's a couple of different ways you can do it. You could have Liddle playing 2 stints and have Talor play dummy half while he's off. You could have Liddle start with Mcilwrick on the bench. You could even have Josh Reynolds switch to hooker and have Marshall off the bench to play 5/8\. Either way, I still have Liddle as our most talented hooker.

But do you want Liddle starting?

I get what you are saying, but if you look at your games:
the first 20 minutes is "don't stuff up". Sometimes people score here but defense is usually better as people are not as tired.
30+ people tire.
60-80, people are very tired.

To me Taylor is the "lets tender up the opposition a bit" type player and Liddle is the "they are tired, lets make them run" type player. Yet we need good flow from hooker to half/5-8… So Mcilwrick and Liddle become more preferred, especially if we are going to pass the ball around in attack.

Man, I hope Ivan loves making tough decisions. Almost every position we have people pushing for selection.

 

[tig_prmz]

i want our points to come off the back of defence.

i've had ET starting at 9 since the start of off season and even though he's not mentioned here i'd say cleary is thinking the same way.

then ET can replace Eiso at lock.