The end of the corner post

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Finally, NRL dumps corner posts
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* From: The Daily Telegraph
* June 02, 2010 5:37PM
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THE NRL has introduced a new rule sweeping aside corner posts when it comes to scoring a try, unless a player is already in touch.
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The NRL released a statement at 5pm saying:
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"The National Rugby League Board has agreed to an immediate rule change that will see corner posts no longer treated as ‘touch-in-goal’ in circumstances where a player comes into contact with them.
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Under the amendment approved by the RLIF as an experimental rule: 1\. If a ball carrier makes contact with the corner post he will not be deemed to be out of play unless any part of his body has made contact with either the touch-line or touch-in-goal line, or the ground beyond the touch line or touch-in-goal line
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2\. If the ball is not in possession of a player and it makes contact with the corner post (e.g. from a kick) the ball will be deemed to be touch-in-goal as per the existing rule.
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3\. All other rules relating to the corner post and restarts of play remain unchanged.
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While the amendment primarily relates to video referee decisions involving slow motion and freeze frame replays to determine whether a try has been scored, it also applies to a player attempting to run the ball out from his own in-goal if he brushes the corner post without contacting or crossing the touch line or touch-in-goal line.
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“The existing rule had become something of an anomaly in any case because the only place a player would be deemed to be in touch (or more accurately touch-in-goal) without actually making contact with the ground was when he came into contact with the corner post,” NRL Chief Operating Officer, Mr Graham Annesley, said today.
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“Under the existing rule a corner post that was leaning inwards could have prevented a try from being awarded because the rule gave the referee or the video-referee no discretion.
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“Given the increasing scrutiny that every decision is now under, there was a strong view that the rule should be changed before a team is disadvantaged.
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“There was overwhelming feedback from the clubs that if a change was to happen then it should take effect immediately.”
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Given that the Harvey Norman State of Origin series involves only NRL players and adopts NRL Rules, the ARL will also consider adopting the change in the Origin before the second match on June 16.
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It is important to note that the rule does not affect competitions outside of these and that it will not be introduced in Queensland Cup, NSW Cup and other competitions.
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The NRL Board today also announced that the rule which prevents clubs registering a contract with a player before Round 13 (of the final year of that player’s existing contract) will be amended for the 2010 season only.
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While players may continue to sign contracts with rival clubs at any time, the extension of the registration provision will mean that the NRL will not register a contract between a player and a new club until after Round 17 of the Telstra Premiership (Tuesday, July 6).
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The extension is to allow for greater certainty around the actual level of the cap going forward.
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The RLPA has been consulted and supports the extension to the deadline.
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“There are a number of unusual circumstances which are creating a level of uncertainty and we think that the extension is a reasonable course of action,” NRL Chief Executive David Gallop said.
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“We are looking at a number of Salary Cap issues at the moment and it is important that we provide as much certainty as is practical for players and clubs alike. “We expect those issues will be clarified prior to the end of Round 17.”

This also spells the end for some of the most unbelievable acrobatic, gravity defying acts weve seen from some wingers in recent seasons.
 

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@innsaneink said:
Finally, NRL dumps corner posts
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* From: The Daily Telegraph
* June 02, 2010 5:37PM
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THE NRL has introduced a new rule sweeping aside corner posts when it comes to scoring a try, unless a player is already in touch.
>
The NRL released a statement at 5pm saying:
>
"The National Rugby League Board has agreed to an immediate rule change that will see corner posts no longer treated as ‘touch-in-goal’ in circumstances where a player comes into contact with them.
>
Under the amendment approved by the RLIF as an experimental rule: 1\. If a ball carrier makes contact with the corner post he will not be deemed to be out of play unless any part of his body has made contact with either the touch-line or touch-in-goal line, or the ground beyond the touch line or touch-in-goal line
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2\. If the ball is not in possession of a player and it makes contact with the corner post (e.g. from a kick) the ball will be deemed to be touch-in-goal as per the existing rule.
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Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar.
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End of sidebar. Return to start of sidebar.
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3\. All other rules relating to the corner post and restarts of play remain unchanged.
>
While the amendment primarily relates to video referee decisions involving slow motion and freeze frame replays to determine whether a try has been scored, it also applies to a player attempting to run the ball out from his own in-goal if he brushes the corner post without contacting or crossing the touch line or touch-in-goal line.
>
“The existing rule had become something of an anomaly in any case because the only place a player would be deemed to be in touch (or more accurately touch-in-goal) without actually making contact with the ground was when he came into contact with the corner post,” NRL Chief Operating Officer, Mr Graham Annesley, said today.
>
“Under the existing rule a corner post that was leaning inwards could have prevented a try from being awarded because the rule gave the referee or the video-referee no discretion.
>
“Given the increasing scrutiny that every decision is now under, there was a strong view that the rule should be changed before a team is disadvantaged.
>
“There was overwhelming feedback from the clubs that if a change was to happen then it should take effect immediately.”
>
Given that the Harvey Norman State of Origin series involves only NRL players and adopts NRL Rules, the ARL will also consider adopting the change in the Origin before the second match on June 16.
>
It is important to note that the rule does not affect competitions outside of these and that it will not be introduced in Queensland Cup, NSW Cup and other competitions.
>
The NRL Board today also announced that the rule which prevents clubs registering a contract with a player before Round 13 (of the final year of that player’s existing contract) will be amended for the 2010 season only.
>
While players may continue to sign contracts with rival clubs at any time, the extension of the registration provision will mean that the NRL will not register a contract between a player and a new club until after Round 17 of the Telstra Premiership (Tuesday, July 6).
>
The extension is to allow for greater certainty around the actual level of the cap going forward.
>
The RLPA has been consulted and supports the extension to the deadline.
>
“There are a number of unusual circumstances which are creating a level of uncertainty and we think that the extension is a reasonable course of action,” NRL Chief Executive David Gallop said.
>
“We are looking at a number of Salary Cap issues at the moment and it is important that we provide as much certainty as is practical for players and clubs alike. “We expect those issues will be clarified prior to the end of Round 17.”

This also spells the end for some of the most unbelievable acrobatic, gravity defying acts weve seen from some wingers in recent seasons.

I was thinking the same thing Ink, we wont see anymore Josh Dugan and Blake Ferguson style tries where their whole body is out of play yet they still ground the ball without touching the cornerpost.

Still, I think it makes sense, what was the point of deeming the cornerpost out in the first place?
 

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Dunno…if they are that close to the corner post that they are in touch yet still in the air and they happen to brush the corner post and still get the ball down for a try...

it will still be pretty spectacular.... :wahoo:
 

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Long over due I think..
To have a try disalowed because a players sleeve brushes the corner post is ridiculous.

I believe the only place that there should be a "corner post" is on the 20 metre line to assist in judging if 40/20's have gone the distance.

I still think we will see amazing acts of skill from players trying to get the ball down because they will still only have a small corridor to work in. If anything it could open up more opportunities for these skills as players will now be able to go around the post whilst in mid flight.
 

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Not 100% sold on the idea to be honest but I will wait to see how it goes before making a final judgement on it
 

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I recon this will see teams shift the ball wider on more occasions

Wingers are hesitant to dive for the line as they have only a small space to work with. now, well…

personally i'd keep the posts. They add to the challenge
 

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What will the little kiddies aspire to now when they let the fans on the field?? Its a disgrace
 

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Like Kul said… this is going to benefit sides who spread the ball... I think it's a good thing, although it was always nice to see some players twist their bodies and defy gravity to get the 4pts...
 

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There was a real skill involved in getting the ball down without touching the corner post. Any boofhead will be able to score in the corner now.
I also reckon it has simply opened up a whole new bunch of grey areas for dimwitted video refs to exploit. the change states (in part):

1\. If a ball carrier makes contact with the corner post he will not be deemed to be out of play unless any part of his body has made contact with either the touch-line or touch-in-goal line, or the ground beyond the touch line or touch-in-goal line

I can already see it, the corner post is pushed over as the player tries to score and is lying on the ground clearly over the touch-in-goal line, the player's arm/hand is on top of the corner post and also clearly over the touch-in-goal line but as he has technically not touched the line or the ground the video ref awards a try. That is, he uses the corner post to prevent himself from touching the ground.
 

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The current rules have resulted in some phenominal tries, why change it?

If you want to change a rule, change the rules regarding grounding of the ball. The hand is the only part of the body in contact with ball on ground to score. Forearms/wrists/feet/torsos/testicles/arsehairs don't count… That try that Jamie Lyon "scored" last year when he grounded it with his torso was a disgrace.
 

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@Cultured Bogan said:
The current rules have resulted in some phenominal tries, why change it?

If you want to change a rule, change the rules regarding grounding of the ball. The hand is the only part of the body in contact with ball on ground to score. Forearms/wrists/feet/torsos/testicles/arsehairs don't count… That try that Jamie Lyon "scored" last year when he grounded it with his torso was a disgrace.

Booo…I wanna see Lortay score one with his dreads........
 

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@Geo. said:
@Cultured Bogan said:
The current rules have resulted in some phenominal tries, why change it?

If you want to change a rule, change the rules regarding grounding of the ball. The hand is the only part of the body in contact with ball on ground to score. Forearms/wrists/feet/torsos/testicles/arsehairs don't count… That try that Jamie Lyon "scored" last year when he grounded it with his torso was a disgrace.

Booo…I wanna see Lortay score one with his dreads........

I'm happy to keep the rule for WT. Tigers players only have to **look** at the ball while it is in-goal to score :laughing:
 

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I don't forsee much change to acrobatic tries in the corner? I would argue most players do these things to put the ball down without stepping out, not to avoid the post.

It will now just be more of a guide rather than an obstacle. Interestingly it looks that not only can a player touch the corner post, but the ball can be placed against it and still be considered a try.
 

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@Tiger Watto said:
The post will remain for the Kiddies, it just has no meaning anymore…

Corner posts will remain and they do have meaning. It provides a guide for touch judges to determine if a ball has crossed into touch before or after the in-goal line.

This decision should now allow corner posts to be placed on the 20m lines to assist with 40/20's.
 

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@jirskyr said:
I don't forsee much change to acrobatic tries in the corner? I would argue most players do these things to put the ball down without stepping out, not to avoid the post.

It will now just be more of a guide rather than an obstacle. Interestingly it looks that not only can a player touch the corner post, but the ball can be placed against it and still be considered a try.

A bit hard to step out when the entire body is in mid air
 

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What the hell is Vossy going to go on about on the Roast now?
 

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