The line in the sand - Article

[ricksen]

It's an interesting topic IMO.
Personally I've hesitated before renewing the last few years, but have eventually gone through with it each time. Some of my friends have done the same, others have renewed without hesitation and others have given up for similar reasons to the article.
I find it hard to criticise anyone supporting the team in any way they seem fit, especially as I can relate to exactly how they're feeling.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

All a bit drastic. They have played 6 games and have been in a position to win all 6\. There has not been a game yet where they have been no chance of winning, translation: they are competitive.

They are no more than 15% improvement away from being a top 8 team.

 

[bigsiro]

That is the difference between a Manly and a Wests Tiger supporter, WTDiehard - Tiger supporters are the salt of the earth, (never say die, throw what you like at us, knock us down but count on us getting back up again, type of supporters).

Balmain and Western Suburbs supporters were the same - hard times, don't care, we'll stick together and come out all the better for it.

What happened to all these Wests Tigers supporters, get a few things that don't go your way and they want out. Whinging and crying about this and that - blimey these old supporters (e.g. Laurie Nichols) would turn over in their grave.

This guy whoever he is, says he has decided he won't be a member this year because he is not liking it. Well Mate! Wests Tigers don't need you when they are winning the competition or finishing in the the top four. They need you now, when they are struggling for all they are worth. They need support, more than ever.

You don't hear Teddy saying I have played the first six rounds and I don't like how we are going or some of the decisions that are being made so I am not playing the rest of the season.

I have been following this team in one form or another for 66 years and there have been plenty of lean times in there I can tell you. Do you give up. NO.
Suffer the bad times with the club, the players and other diehard supporters - because when it comes good it is sweeter than ever.

Wake up to yourself, stop being so pitiful and get behind our belroved Tigers and support them to the hilt.

Go you Mighty Tigers!!!!

A FEWThings go wrong. ???????
Jeez Russell, come home from that island that you must live on and buy a TV
It's one thing to be a staunch supporter, but to be in constant denial of all the amateur rubbish that goes on in this club, and has since since its inception ,
We're broke ., have very little real talent in the club , have a lame duck underachieving coach. And not much evidence that any of that will change.
Whoever wrote that OP was right on the money, we are crap. We may catch a few teams on a bad day and pull off a couple of wins, but that changes nothing .
If you want to paper over the rising smell that is WRs , then you are welcome to do that.
But if we go on the way that we have over the last few yrs. and it looks like we will.
We'll be lucky to even have a club in the NRL
Do you seriously think that the NRL want an anchor like this around its neck
If we continue like this, we' be gone.

Agree.
Russell you might be a die hard but so what, we all are. You are clearly more comfortable with mediocrity than some other fans who desperately want a successful side for once. Terrible club leadership has broken this club and our own fans accepting this sorry state of affairs is the very reason that it continues.

The club needs more people who will take the tough stance and stand up for what they think is right rather than those who go along with the ridiculous notion that unless you are a member the club will die.

 

[Tony33]

It's amazing what a few losses can do.

We went from being a basket case, to the next big thing in the NRL and back to a basket case all in the space of 6 weeks.

This article is an over reaction of the highest order.

We should be doing better but we aren't going as bad as this article would make you believe.

We win our next 2 games and we will be the next big thing again.

Swings and round-abouts.

 

[Wildcat777]

Can't see what the issue TBH….

I renewed my 6 no memberships this year ...only just.....ATM the will not next year. But hey its hard to say no when push comes to shove. Really want the club to one day again be Champions.

The main reasons I signed was to support the following players whom seem to give all to the club, have talent and deserve to be playing 1st Grade. (*Some additions after R6 due to opportunity to play)

Aaron Woods, Ava Seumanufagai, Chris Lawrence, David Nofaoluma, James Tedesco, Josh Aloiai*, Mitchell Moses & Tim Simona.

There might be a few more but it seems they will not get an opportunity even in a losing team. See when a team is losing I expect change, change as required in order to change game result.

The above blokes are good examples of the Wests Tigers Spirit and why I am a supporter today.

I dont agree with the the club decisions hence though I have paid am keeping away from the live game, because I really couldn't make the effort TBH.

Enough of the negative...though it is the truth. The more I dwell the more depressed I get especially mid week. When I face the reality, that come the weekend, we have no real chance to win, that the team named is not the strongest we can field and I have a suspicion that some of the player also feel the same, as their performance on the field reflects this.
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Ooops...sorry...still venting. All good ..... its just as hard to pick a loser as it is a winner... well in WT case the team selectors from the coachers to Senior Management, make it easy for the punter, because picking the loser is pretty obvious. Though come kick off each week a pray that I am wrong.

Anyway because of the rest of the team that really just about only make up the numbers, the players that I purchased membership to watch have to give 120% of themselves to make up for the rest, that couldn't give a shit and probably cant even understand themselves why they are in the team.

Its this extra effort that is needed to be made, that is worth the admission and I hope that it rubs off to the rest, because it really is an honour and privilege to put on a Wests Tigers jumper.

Though there is a lot of there, including myself that feel at times its bit of a joke, especially at about 5pm on a Tuesday.

Apologies about the vent...just need to get it off my chest. Just hope all the players can take a real look at themselves, before this weekends game, be grateful for the opportunity and prove themselves worthy of selection. That is not only to each other, but to the whole Wests Tigers Family. Its seems that the club decisions makers have faith in you, please prove them right. Otherwise ..... well that obvious!.

 

[jirskyr]

I said this elsewhere, but when you club does not have much money, the solution really is not to pull your funding.

Of course you are free to do whatever you like with your hard-earned, but if you don't like Jason Taylor and are sick to death of budget coaches and budget footballers and budget off-field conditions, how do you think it's gonna turn around without money?

All the good-will and hope in the world does absolutely zero for professional sporting organisations. If you want the club to improve, you need to pay up to support them getting there. You withdraw the finances and all that happens is we get cheaper and cheaper versions of previous issues.

I am with Harvey on an earlier comment - it's like taxation without representation. Giving the club money should entitle us to some kind of voting rights, so at least we have some kind of say in the way our money is spent.

 

[tigermac88]

I said this elsewhere, but when you club does not have much money, the solution really is not to pull your funding.

Of course you are free to do whatever you like with your hard-earned, but if you don't like Jason Taylor and are sick to death of budget coaches and budget footballers and budget off-field conditions, how do you think it's gonna turn around without money?

All the good-will and hope in the world does absolutely zero for professional sporting organisations. If you want the club to improve, you need to pay up to support them getting there. You withdraw the finances and all that happens is we get cheaper and cheaper versions of previous issues.

I am with Harvey on an earlier comment - it's like taxation without representation. Giving the club money should entitle us to some kind of voting rights, so at least we have some kind of say in the way our money is spent.

I see your point and I love the idea of voting rights for members.

 

[tigeress]

Can't see what the issue TBH….

I renewed my 6 no memberships this year ...only just.....ATM the will not next year. But hey its hard to say no when push comes to shove. Really want the club to one day again be Champions.

The main reasons I signed was to support the following players whom seem to give all to the club, have talent and deserve to be playing 1st Grade. (*Some additions after R6 due to opportunity to play)

Aaron Woods, Ava Seumanufagai, Chris Lawrence, David Nofaoluma, James Tedesco, Josh Aloiai*, Mitchell Moses & Tim Simona.

There might be a few more but it seems they will not get an opportunity even in a losing team. See when a team is losing I expect change, change as required in order to change game result.

The above blokes are good examples of the Wests Tigers Spirit and why I am a supporter today.

I dont agree with the the club decisions hence though I have paid am keeping away from the live game, because I really couldn't make the effort TBH.

Enough of the negative...though it is the truth. The more I dwell the more depressed I get especially mid week. When I face the reality, that come the weekend, we have no real chance to win, that the team named is not the strongest we can field and I have a suspicion that some of the player also feel the same, as their performance on the field reflects this.
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Ooops...sorry...still venting. All good ..... its just as hard to pick a loser as it is a winner... well in WT case the team selectors from the coachers to Senior Management, make it easy for the punter, because picking the loser is pretty obvious. Though come kick off each week a pray that I am wrong.

Anyway because of the rest of the team that really just about only make up the numbers, the players that I purchased membership to watch have to give 120% of themselves to make up for the rest, that couldn't give a s*** and probably cant even understand themselves why they are in the team.

Its this extra effort that is needed to be made, that is worth the admission and I hope that it rubs off to the rest, because it really is an honour and privilege to put on a Wests Tigers jumper.

Though there is a lot of there, including myself that feel at times its bit of a joke, especially at about 5pm on a Tuesday.

Apologies about the vent...just need to get it off my chest. Just hope all the players can take a real look at themselves, before this weekends game, be grateful for the opportunity and prove themselves worthy of selection. That is not only to each other, but to the whole Wests Tigers Family. Its seems that the club decisions makers have faith in you, please prove them right. Otherwise ..... well that obvious!.

I'm sure 99% of us on this forum agree with your sentiments 777\. We get depressed re the outcome of matches/ and or what the near future is going to bring.
We have to hang in there though and hope for the best 😛ray: each new week we are closer to a win. However you missed a couple of names in your list up the top they are Kevin Naigama, Jordan Rankin and Sauaso Sue….. :righton:

 

[Twodogs]

Guys, I've been around here a long time, but mostly lurk. I read something recently from a supposed insider, and there is something I do not know, but cannot know if such allegations are true. I won't name names, but the accusation centred around sponsors influencing player selections.

This points to a complete lack of professionalism in the club. For all I know this may not be true, but who here can claim the club to be inherently professional? The accusation is entirely consistent with everything we have seen over many years at WT.

Just imagine our club club bring run as professionally as say, the Broncos. I hate them, but credit where credit is due. The crud that happens at WT would never be tolerated in professional clubs. We've always comforted ourselves that we are not as dysfunctional as Parramatta, but there are mental asylums less dysfunctional than them.

Taylor needs control over selections, with systems in place to allow players to be put on notice to perform or be dropped. The mates club must be crushed. I don't believe that you're only as good as your last game, but ultimately, performance is everything. WT needs clearly defined rules, processes, and lines of authority that cannot be crossed.

Also, as alluded here, perhaps members need a say in what goes on. Again, this requires clearly defined rules as to what members can vote on. I suggest votes of no confidence, with membership periods applying to avoid stacking.

This club can be saved, nay, prosper, if the club is rid of the crud at all levels. There is a great deal of work ahead.

 

[glebe_tiger]

As supporters we should be obtaining membership as a minimum in supporting the club financially. No ones denying the problems, issues and mismanagement that has gone on but i find it hard to fathom that by not supporting the club with memberships (financially) is there ever going to be an easier way to help the club get out of the mess that people seem to have so much of a problem with.

Talk about fairweather supporters, if we were an army i'd hate to follow some WT supporters into battle.

 

[gallagher]

As supporters we should be obtaining membership as a minimum in supporting the club financially. No ones denying the problems, issues and mismanagement that has gone on but i find it hard to fathom that by not supporting the club with memberships (financially) is there ever going to be an easier way to help the club get out of the mess that people seem to have so much of a problem with.

Talk about fairweather supporters, if we were an army i'd hate to follow some WT supporters into battle.

You're propping up millionaire owners. Good luck to you but they're not getting my money.

 

[stevetiger]

All a bit drastic. They have played 6 games and have been in a position to win all 6\. There has not been a game yet where they have been no chance of winning, translation: they are competitive.

They are no more than 15% improvement away from being a top 8 team.

This is the thing - we aren't that far off. It's just poor execution and a lack of discipline.

 

[Goose]

A fans rant.
Im not familiar with his blog or whatever, if he has ambition to be more than a fan expressing his view than this is off base.
A fan expressing his emotions than interesting read.

 

[WestsSupporter]

Nothing's changed. When we were doing well the backroom crap was still going on amidst the success.


 

[goldcoast_tiger]

All a bit drastic. They have played 6 games and have been in a position to win all 6\. There has not been a game yet where they have been no chance of winning, translation: they are competitive.

They are no more than 15% improvement away from being a top 8 team.

This is the thing - we aren't that far off. It's just poor execution and a lack of discipline.

We most always do have a time when we are in a position to win most games.
Its usually the 10 seconds while we are waiting for the game to kick off :laughing: :laughing:
Sorry, it was too good to miss lol

 

[Dingo]

I said this elsewhere, but when you club does not have much money, the solution really is not to pull your funding.

Of course you are free to do whatever you like with your hard-earned, but if you don't like Jason Taylor and are sick to death of budget coaches and budget footballers and budget off-field conditions, how do you think it's gonna turn around without money?

All the good-will and hope in the world does absolutely zero for professional sporting organisations. If you want the club to improve, you need to pay up to support them getting there. You withdraw the finances and all that happens is we get cheaper and cheaper versions of previous issues.

I am with Harvey on an earlier comment - it's like taxation without representation. Giving the club money should entitle us to some kind of voting rights, so at least we have some kind of say in the way our money is spent.

Yeah your right, they need more money so they can continue to make great financial decisions, maybe pay Farah 2mil next year

 

[Dingo]

I said this elsewhere, but when you club does not have much money, the solution really is not to pull your funding.

Of course you are free to do whatever you like with your hard-earned, but if you don't like Jason Taylor and are sick to death of budget coaches and budget footballers and budget off-field conditions, how do you think it's gonna turn around without money?

All the good-will and hope in the world does absolutely zero for professional sporting organisations. If you want the club to improve, you need to pay up to support them getting there. You withdraw the finances and all that happens is we get cheaper and cheaper versions of previous issues.

I am with Harvey on an earlier comment - it's like taxation without representation. Giving the club money should entitle us to some kind of voting rights, so at least we have some kind of say in the way our money is spent.

Yeah your right, they need more money so they can continue to make great financial decisions, maybe pay Farah 2mil next year

 

[Dingo]

As supporters we should be obtaining membership as a minimum in supporting the club financially. No ones denying the problems, issues and mismanagement that has gone on but i find it hard to fathom that by not supporting the club with memberships (financially) is there ever going to be an easier way to help the club get out of the mess that people seem to have so much of a problem with.

Talk about fairweather supporters, if we were an army i'd hate to follow some WT supporters into battle.

"fairweather supporters" give me a break, lets talk about the fans that dont care if we win or lose and accept mediocrity, id hate to follow some of those WT supporters into battle theyd be putting flowers in the enemies gun barrels and wanting to hug it out.

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

There is a difference between "fans" and "Supporters"
A fan may change clubs he/she supports and may not want to stick by when his/her team is down any out

A Supporter on the other hand will stick by thick and thin, rain, hail or shine, the highs and lows of a club. A supporter is a real die hard, not so much a fan

I can safely say most here are die hards, the passion, the emotions(in words) and the care we have for our team/club

Keep it up guys, we will get through this

 

[supercoach]

After Farahgate was squashed late in the preseason,things started looking really positive for 2016,a strong preseason and a very strong start to the season, it was all positive stuff, but from what I was seeing the cracks had just been glossed over and nothing much had really changed from previous years. We still have a substandard roster,we still lack discipline and there is always friction between coach and players . Now till they fix these things without trying to gloss over them or employ a spin doctor to paint a positive picture,things will never change