The next controversial call the Wests Tigers must make

[Russell]

BBF - Must we go trough this Farah/Taylor thing all over again. It finished last year.

What Taylor achieved is continuity, harmony, peace and people who follow the game plan. That is worth a lot more than $750k.

Taylor is our coach for 2017 whether you and others like it or not. Farah is a Rabbit now whether you and others like that as well.

Lets get on and support what we have now.

We don't know if Taylor will be coach in 2018, we don't know if all or part of the big four will be with us in 2018\. We will know eventually - let's support the WT in 2017 and see what happens with the rest.
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FT :-

Your assessment of the big four - Teddy will command $1Million, Woods at least $800,000 , Moses after this Season could potentially be $800,000+, Brooks will try to get himself an $800,000+ deal even though his not worth more than $500,000.

Imo 800 for a front rower is too much, should be 700 or 750 at the most, 800 for Brooks is far too much, around 600 (what he is on now is about right, depending on this season or go with Littlejohn) - 1.1 or 1.2 for Teddy should be good enough and 850 for Moses is probably right at this stage. That is about 3.4 for the four. This should do the trick

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

BBF - Must we go trough this Farah/Taylor thing all over again. It finished last year.

What Taylor achieved is continuity, harmony, peace and people who follow the game plan. That is worth a lot more than $750k.

Taylor is our coach for 2017 whether you and others like it or not. Farah is a Rabbit now whether you and others like that as well.

Lets get on and support what we have now.

We don't know if Taylor will be coach in 2018, we don't know if all or part of the big four will be with us in 2018\. We will know eventually - let's support the WT in 2017 and see what happens with the rest.
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FT :-

Your assessment of the big four - Teddy will command $1Million, Woods at least $800,000 , Moses after this Season could potentially be $800,000+, Brooks will try to get himself an $800,000+ deal even though his not worth more than $500,000.

Imo 800 for a front rower is too much, should be 700 or 750 at the most, 800 for Brooks is far too much, around 600 (what he is on now is about right, depending on this season or go with Littlejohn) - 1.1 or 1.2 for Teddy should be good enough and 850 for Moses is probably right at this stage. That is about 3.4 for the four. This should do the trick

So Russ ,the Canberra game had a game plan , Did it?
A Coaching master stroke :roll

 

[Fade_To_Black]

BBF - Must we go trough this Farah/Taylor thing all over again. It finished last year.

What Taylor achieved is continuity, harmony, peace and people who follow the game plan. That is worth a lot more than $750k.

Taylor is our coach for 2017 whether you and others like it or not. Farah is a Rabbit now whether you and others like that as well.

Lets get on and support what we have now.

We don't know if Taylor will be coach in 2018, we don't know if all or part of the big four will be with us in 2018\. We will know eventually - let's support the WT in 2017 and see what happens with the rest.
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FT :-

Your assessment of the big four - Teddy will command $1Million, Woods at least $800,000 , Moses after this Season could potentially be $800,000+, Brooks will try to get himself an $800,000+ deal even though his not worth more than $500,000.

Imo 800 for a front rower is too much, should be 700 or 750 at the most, 800 for Brooks is far too much, around 600 (what he is on now is about right, depending on this season or go with Littlejohn) - 1.1 or 1.2 for Teddy should be good enough and 850 for Moses is probably right at this stage. That is about 3.4 for the four. This should do the trick

So Russ ,the Canberra game had a game plan , Did it?
A Coaching master stroke :roll

The players are solely at fault for an arse kicking like we got in round 26\. It was them that threw in the towel. Gameplans are useless if you are gonna pathetically miss tackles, play without heart or energy and hoist up the white flag without hesitation.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

The Wests board has given JT full reign. His failure as a champion goal kicker to recognize that one either has that talent or not and persist with players who's kicking and FG kicking is costing us games is a bad one imo.
Plus he got rid of Farah as BBF said for no returns and lets face it he would have recommended to the board that Moses and Brooks be paid overs like a forward dated contract so the pressure ison Taylor and the halves who must deliver or the Wests board will punt them as they should. They operate like the business world where the management (JT) is given reign and if he dosent deliver he goes.

We are still an unbalanced side paying overs to past and present players without a point of diffence in playing style
The debacle we saw last round when playing for a semi spot at home we were down by 30 at HT must not be repeated.

 

[happy_tiger]

The club seems to be doing everything to placate them so how they feel about Taylor will have a big bearing on their future.

I actually completely agree with what you and others have said, GNR,
But my point is that , around the time that Sheens was on the way out here, the senior players were actually called in and interviewed on a few different issues, one being the Coach.
Obviously the opinions mustn't have been too good as he was chopped( deservedly so)
It's just funny that one person in the club was vilified by some , because it was convenient, when all of the seniors were asked about it.

I don't have any problems about asking senior players to give an opinion about a coach,
But I wonder if , for example , Teddy told the club that he wouldn't stay if Taylor was to be retained here, would he be treated the same way by the same people
That's where double standards apply.
As for Taylor, he's getting the three years that he wanted and was lucky to survive 2015.
Either he gets results or enough time will have been wasted.

I can remind you how someone like Teddy would be treated if he decided to leave the Tigers full stop if you like

Remember the Tede$co threads ??

Have a browse if you care …..

 

[stryker]

Yep i remember calling for his head lol…traitorous little punk.

 

[stryker]

Look at Canterbury.. they recruited "super coach" Hasler and gave him an open cheque book and what has he delivered in return…not much

Yeah Hasler has been a shocking investment.
Scored a minor premiership, played finals footy every year he has been there and played in two grandfinals.
What a waste of money he has been for them.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Yep i remember calling for his head lol…traitorous little punk.

I remember some saying Kurtis Rowe would eventually be the better player.

 

[foreveratiger]

BBF - Must we go trough this Farah/Taylor thing all over again. It finished last year.

What Taylor achieved is continuity, harmony, peace and people who follow the game plan. That is worth a lot more than $750k.

Taylor is our coach for 2017 whether you and others like it or not. Farah is a Rabbit now whether you and others like that as well.

Lets get on and support what we have now.

We don't know if Taylor will be coach in 2018, we don't know if all or part of the big four will be with us in 2018\. We will know eventually - let's support the WT in 2017 and see what happens with the rest.
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FT :-

Your assessment of the big four - Teddy will command $1Million, Woods at least $800,000 , Moses after this Season could potentially be $800,000+, Brooks will try to get himself an $800,000+ deal even though his not worth more than $500,000.

Imo 800 for a front rower is too much, should be 700 or 750 at the most, 800 for Brooks is far too much, around 600 (what he is on now is about right, depending on this season or go with Littlejohn) - 1.1 or 1.2 for Teddy should be good enough and 850 for Moses is probably right at this stage. That is about 3.4 for the four. This should do the trick

I actually never thought I would see the day where we would talk about a Prop earning $800K + Russell.
The reality is Woods is a Test prop now and if Tamou just got signed by the Panthers on a reported 750k per year 4 year deal and with the Cap increase from next year well I think Woods would be negotiating a starting price of 800K + I dare say, I think it's ludicrous but they will be demanding such money with the new T.V Contracts.

I remember when Brent Sherwin was signed by the Bulldogs on $500,000 per year 5 year deal I couldn't believe it 😱pen_mouth: didn't they get value for that? NOT!!!!
These days forwards on play makers money….It's crazy.

 

[stryker]

Forwards should be well paid. They are the only real footballers in each squad :wink:

 

[happy_tiger]

Fullbacks should be well paid. They are the only real footballers in each squad :wink:

Finally you've switched to the dark side I see :smiley:

 

[stryker]

Haha come on now…
Teddy is good and all but at the end of the day he is still just a fullback bludging with the wingers.

 

[happy_tiger]

Haha come on now…
Teddy is good and all but at the end of the day he is still just a fullback bludging with the wingers.

Says the bloke probably still dating a winger :wink:

All fullbacks do all game is fix backrowers mistakes when those meatheads cough up possession and miss easy tackles

 

[Russell]

BBF - Must we go trough this Farah/Taylor thing all over again. It finished last year.

What Taylor achieved is continuity, harmony, peace and people who follow the game plan. That is worth a lot more than $750k.

Taylor is our coach for 2017 whether you and others like it or not. Farah is a Rabbit now whether you and others like that as well.

Lets get on and support what we have now.

We don't know if Taylor will be coach in 2018, we don't know if all or part of the big four will be with us in 2018\. We will know eventually - let's support the WT in 2017 and see what happens with the rest.
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FT :-

Your assessment of the big four - Teddy will command $1Million, Woods at least $800,000 , Moses after this Season could potentially be $800,000+, Brooks will try to get himself an $800,000+ deal even though his not worth more than $500,000.

Imo 800 for a front rower is too much, should be 700 or 750 at the most, 800 for Brooks is far too much, around 600 (what he is on now is about right, depending on this season or go with Littlejohn) - 1.1 or 1.2 for Teddy should be good enough and 850 for Moses is probably right at this stage. That is about 3.4 for the four. This should do the trick

So Russ ,the Canberra game had a game plan , Did it?
A Coaching master stroke :roll

Having a game plan and players sticking to a game plan are two different things.

If you honestly think that Taylor sent them out to get beat by a cricket score, or even just to get beat, you are delusional GCT.

 

[cktiger]

Where else would you get a three year contract and, after underperforming the first two years, get offered an extra year before the third had begun?
Welcome to the WestsTigers!
If they were to do it they would need a clause that if we didn't make the top 4 it became invalid.

 

[innsaneink]

Where else would you get a three year contract and, after underperforming the first two years, get offered an extra year before the third had begun?
Welcome to the WestsTigers!
If they were to do it they would need a clause that if we didn't make the top 4 it became invalid.

You can still bag the club you support based on nothing more than someone's opinion..

Not a bad effort

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Agree FT to some extent - but if other clubs manage to tie up more than four top tier players and still fill their side with quality first graders we need to find a way to do the same or we are never going to be able to compete.
We have had little success in attracting top tier
players to the club you either have to meet the market
and buy them or employ a coach that can attract
them.
Any quality player will dictate terms when negotiating with our club until we become the club that players
want to come to with the coach that players want to play under.

There is a way - it's called using TPA's to attract
quality players. I am not sure why we rate around last
and are getting smashed by all clubs on the TPA issue. Like they say on the TV ad "We can do better".

Something is definitely astray - we certainly can do better.

Maybe us only hiring only one top coach in 16 yrs (even then getting towards the end of his career) would probably bepart of the reason

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

BBF - Must we go trough this Farah/Taylor thing all over again. It finished last year.

What Taylor achieved is continuity, harmony, peace and people who follow the game plan. That is worth a lot more than $750k.

Taylor is our coach for 2017 whether you and others like it or not. Farah is a Rabbit now whether you and others like that as well.

Lets get on and support what we have now.

We don't know if Taylor will be coach in 2018, we don't know if all or part of the big four will be with us in 2018\. We will know eventually - let's support the WT in 2017 and see what happens with the rest.
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FT :-

Your assessment of the big four - Teddy will command $1Million, Woods at least $800,000 , Moses after this Season could potentially be $800,000+, Brooks will try to get himself an $800,000+ deal even though his not worth more than $500,000.

Imo 800 for a front rower is too much, should be 700 or 750 at the most, 800 for Brooks is far too much, around 600 (what he is on now is about right, depending on this season or go with Littlejohn) - 1.1 or 1.2 for Teddy should be good enough and 850 for Moses is probably right at this stage. That is about 3.4 for the four. This should do the trick

So Russ ,the Canberra game had a game plan , Did it?
A Coaching master stroke :roll

The players are solely at fault for an arse kicking like we got in round 26\. It was them that threw in the towel. Gameplans are useless if you are gonna pathetically miss tackles, play without heart or energy and hoist up the white flag without hesitation.

Aahhhh!! But if they won …...would that have then been a master stroke of Coaching. ?
There's the mystery!!!!!! :roll
Easiest way to go is ....Its everybodies fault but the Coach!!!!

 

[Geo]

Agree FT to some extent - but if other clubs manage to tie up more than four top tier players and still fill their side with quality first graders we need to find a way to do the same or we are never going to be able to compete.
We have had little success in attracting top tier
players to the club you either have to meet the market
and buy them or employ a coach that can attract
them.
Any quality player will dictate terms when negotiating with our club until we become the club that players
want to come to with the coach that players want to play under.

There is a way - it's called using TPA's to attract quality players. I am not sure why we rate around last and are getting smashed by all clubs on the TPA issue. Like they say on the TV ad "We can do better".

Isn't that Illegal..? My understanding of Non-affiliated TPA's are between the player and the Third Party Provider as a way of supplementing their income for their own brand and can not be guaranteed by a Club or arranged by a Club…I believe Parramatta Melbourne and Canterbury have had issues with these in the past..

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

The club seems to be doing everything to placate them so how they feel about Taylor will have a big bearing on their future.

I actually completely agree with what you and others have said, GNR,
But my point is that , around the time that Sheens was on the way out here, the senior players were actually called in and interviewed on a few different issues, one being the Coach.
Obviously the opinions mustn't have been too good as he was chopped( deservedly so)
It's just funny that one person in the club was vilified by some , because it was convenient, when all of the seniors were asked about it.

I don't have any problems about asking senior players to give an opinion about a coach,
But I wonder if , for example , Teddy told the club that he wouldn't stay if Taylor was to be retained here, would he be treated the same way by the same people
That's where double standards apply.
As for Taylor, he's getting the three years that he wanted and was lucky to survive 2015.
Either he gets results or enough time will have been wasted.

I can remind you how someone like Teddy would be treated if he decided to leave the Tigers full stop if you like

Remember the Tede$co threads ??

Have a browse if you care …..

I wasn't talking about him just leaving( and I remember the threads)
I was talking about if the top players were threatening to walk if Taylor wasn't axed.
Most here would help Taylor Pack his bags.