The next controversial call the Wests Tigers must make

[happy_tiger]

How is it a controversial call?

If they perform, Taylor gets an extension. If they don't, he gets moved on. Hardly controversial.

What a beat up.

Maybe our next controversial call should be " no comment" to every Daily Telegraph question in the future and banning them from all pressos in the future

 

[supercoach]

The club has been building everything around the coach, so it lends me to believe the extension is going to happen, more than likely before the season starts.

He has been given a new Coaching Structure, a new Operations Manager, and a new Recruitment Manager. The only obvious move is to give Taylor the right amount of time to work with these people, plus a 1 year extension will also give some outlook to the players who are re-signing.

Regardless if you like Taylor as a coach or think he is a dope, the clubs looks to be heading in this direction.

Taylor would only be offered a deal beyond this year in the coming weeks if the club had plenty of get of jail clauses should 2017 turn sour and I am afraid that is about a fifty fifty bet at present.

Pascoe has been quoted a few time that they have high expectations for 2017 so I guess if we fall a long way short of the mark once again Taylor will be out the door

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

So you absolve Taylor of all responsibility for what happened that day. So then what is Taylor responsible for? Since we have defensive coaches and attacking coaches, is it not his job to get the players up for the most important game of the year??? You fan boys are hilarious lol.

Same way you absolve an incompetent playing roster , I'll be amazed if we beat Canberra / Roosters in the 3 seasons

We can't match either side physically , simple as that

When you take into account the selection blunders, favouritism of extremely ordinary players, Lack of the ability to admit to his mistakes,and the excuses pedalled by him continuously, it's hard to adsolve Taylor from anything.
When are you Taylor lovers going to face the fact that he knew what he was getting into when he came here. What happened , or happens since , is his responsibility.
No more Excuses .

The problem with some is they can't admit we have a mediocre playing roster still in key areas

Defensively our weakest areas are all linked , our two in , three in and 4 in on both sides of the ruck would be easily the worst in the NRL and it won't improve no matter who the coach is

Until we get a better playing roster , who can any expect better results and still blame the coaching roster

Don't worry GCT , if we'd picked up one decent defensive back rower and centre for 2017 I'd probably agree with you

But if the WT's don't make the 8 , Taylor will be gone , whether people like it or not

And no I'm not a Taylor lover , I just understand what the situation is

Some people just don't get or understand what having a substandard playing roster really means when it comes to the crunch

I understand what you're saying Happy, and actually agree with most of your post,
Yes our playing roster is mediocre in a lot of positions, but for probably most of our existence, that has been the case.
We have never been able to consistently attract the players that we need , to be at the top, for a lot of reasons
Occasionally we manage to overachieve just enough to raise everyone's hopes for better times ahead. And we all know how that usually pans out.
For any one to come to this club and expect to win a comp with this team is stupid ,or just saying what he thinks will get him a series of extensions while failing at the one thing that he said he'd improve.

Although I'd love to see it, I doubt that we will be unlikely to be able to change things enough to attract
The sort of , and the number of better quality players that we need to get to the level of performances that we all want. It's never been easy to get those sort of players and I can't see much changing
Clubs seem to have windows of opportunity to make or win Semis and GFs, and those windows close quickly if the teams don't take full advantage of them.

My greatest fear is that this board would be silly enough to actually give Taylor an extension way before they should even consider it,
It's fair enough if the side makes big improvements on what's happened and he gets some consistency into the halves and the rest of the team 0ver the season( not just the first three or four games) for him to get a years extension.
But if he doesn't, then I hope you're right and he is gone
If we don't have a good start this season then our chances of attracting players will be made just that little bit harder
So I'm hoping your crystal ball is working lol.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

The club has been building everything around the coach, so it lends me to believe the extension is going to happen, more than likely before the season starts.

He has been given a new Coaching Structure, a new Operations Manager, and a new Recruitment Manager. The only obvious move is to give Taylor the right amount of time to work with these people, plus a 1 year extension will also give some outlook to the players who are re-signing.

Regardless if you like Taylor as a coach or think he is a dope, the clubs looks to be heading in this direction.

Taylor would only be offered a deal beyond this year in the coming weeks if the club had plenty of get of jail clauses should 2017 turn sour and I am afraid that is about a fifty fifty bet at present.

Pascoe has been quoted a few time that they have high expectations for 2017 so I guess if we fall a long way short of the mark once again Taylor will be out the door

I'd say he will get the extension now and could still be punted if we fail to deliver… sadly, Its just the cost of doing business.

 

[matchball]

JT is a snake in the grass, he should have been sacked long ago. but due to are no money issue, if he can have the team in the top 6 after 10 rounds then maybe a 1 year add on only so the players know whats going on, other than that if we are down the bottom after 3-6 six games sack him and sign cleary or toovey.

You talk about money issues at first and then end the paragraph with hire Cleary or Toovey.
Where will that 700k - 1m come from?

 

[Tigerdon]

I see no point in rushing to sign an extension to JTs contract.
What if we lose 4 out of our first five games and are still getting flogged the way we finished last season? Then we will be having to pay him out of his contract. Everyone will be posting "who's decision was it to extend JTs contract even though he had us in the bottom 8 for every year he coached us".
Why not wait till mid season to see how we are going before handing out money?

 

[happy_tiger]

The club has been building everything around the coach, so it lends me to believe the extension is going to happen, more than likely before the season starts.

He has been given a new Coaching Structure, a new Operations Manager, and a new Recruitment Manager. The only obvious move is to give Taylor the right amount of time to work with these people, plus a 1 year extension will also give some outlook to the players who are re-signing.

Regardless if you like Taylor as a coach or think he is a dope, the clubs looks to be heading in this direction.

Taylor would only be offered a deal beyond this year in the coming weeks if the club had plenty of get of jail clauses should 2017 turn sour and I am afraid that is about a fifty fifty bet at present.

Pascoe has been quoted a few time that they have high expectations for 2017 so I guess if we fall a long way short of the mark once again Taylor will be out the door

I'd say he will get the extension now and could still be punted if we fail to deliver… sadly, Its just the cost of doing business.

Pretty sure you might be on the mark Watto , only change to that might be what coaches are actually on the market at that stage

 

[happy_tiger]

Ive been an open supporter of the coach, but not because i necessarily think he can coach.

I think he inherited a team that wasnt his, a club in absolute shambles, a joke of a board and a very average overpaid playing roster.

Those who say he has had two years and he should have produced are letting ego cloud their judgement IMO. There is not a single coach that could have done better. Thats not because im saying Taylors the best coach, which he isnt of course, its just a reflection on how bad the club and management was in the last 3-4 years.

I believe Taylor now has his opportunity this year and we will soon find out in the first 10 rounds how things are shaping. Im a firm believer in giving the fair go. If we are languishing after those ten rounds, then ill pay his cab fare out. I dont think senior coaches play as much a part in senior players re-signing as many think. Lets face it, any of them could be gone tomorrow. Tedesco and moses sign at the roosters, but the coach only lasts a year, so nothing is forever anywhere.

Do i think Taylor will take us deeep into the smi finals or a premiership…...ever.....NO.

Is/has he been the right person for the last couple of years with a clean out and a potential scapegoat coach if we needed.....I think so.

Youve got to remember, he has been put in this position to deliberately facilitate a change in culture, not necessarily to win a premiership.

Yeah Swordy , Jason Taylor could actually become the modern age Brian Smith , the guy who comes in makes all the tough decisions that a club might need

I think in 5-10 years time people will come to appreciate what Taylor has done , forced cultural change at a club that abhorred culture change , especially the playing roster

 

[innsaneink]

I think that scenario could be being a bit generous hap, though I have thought myself JT could be the muzza in a muzza /sticky/Roosters/'02 type situation a few years from now

 

[rialto]

Ive been an open supporter of the coach, but not because i necessarily think he can coach.

I think he inherited a team that wasnt his, a club in absolute shambles, a joke of a board and a very average overpaid playing roster.

Those who say he has had two years and he should have produced are letting ego cloud their judgement IMO. There is not a single coach that could have done better. Thats not because im saying Taylors the best coach, which he isnt of course, its just a reflection on how bad the club and management was in the last 3-4 years.

I believe Taylor now has his opportunity this year and we will soon find out in the first 10 rounds how things are shaping. Im a firm believer in giving the fair go. If we are languishing after those ten rounds, then ill pay his cab fare out. I dont think senior coaches play as much a part in senior players re-signing as many think. Lets face it, any of them could be gone tomorrow. Tedesco and moses sign at the roosters, but the coach only lasts a year, so nothing is forever anywhere.

Do i think Taylor will take us deeep into the smi finals or a premiership…...ever.....NO.

Is/has he been the right person for the last couple of years with a clean out and a potential scapegoat coach if we needed.....I think so.

Youve got to remember, he has been put in this position to deliberately facilitate a change in culture, not necessarily to win a premiership.

Good post Swordy, IMO the coach definitely should have an extension of his contract - we missed the finals by only one point and, it will only be in the 2018 season when he will finally have full use of the salary cap money's. Robbie will finally be totally paid out and the extra cash used to help improve the squad.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

JT is a snake in the grass, he should have been sacked long ago. but due to are no money issue, if he can have the team in the top 6 after 10 rounds then maybe a 1 year add on only so the players know whats going on, other than that if we are down the bottom after 3-6 six games sack him and sign cleary or toovey.

You talk about money issues at first and then end the paragraph with hire Cleary or Toovey.
Where will that 700k - 1m come from?

Lol

Hey. whatever suits the argument.

 

[Geo]

Des has his besties here laying the spade work…It's obvious... :unamused:

And he'll do it Pro-bono..just to prove a point..

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

JT is a snake in the grass, he should have been sacked long ago. but due to are no money issue, if he can have the team in the top 6 after 10 rounds then maybe a 1 year add on only so the players know whats going on, other than that if we are down the bottom after 3-6 six games sack him and sign cleary or toovey.

You talk about money issues at first and then end the paragraph with hire Cleary or Toovey.
Where will that 700k - 1m come from?

According to yesterday's SMH Toovey is pretty desperate to get back into footie in spite of an accountant's job - he could be very cheap dollar-wise. He uses WT as a stepping stone to prove his credentials.

 

[Harvey]

I am not sold on resigning Taylor until we are able to get a gauge on how the side will perform this year. My other fear is that if we to lose 3 of the big 4 coming off contract this year, no coach would want to come near the club, realising that it would kill his career.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I am not sold on resigning Taylor until we are able to get a gauge on how the side will perform this year. My other fear is that if we to lose 3 of the big 4 coming off contract this year, no coach would want to come near the club, realising that it would kill his career.

No way we're losing 3.

 

[Snake]

From round one this season Jason Taylor has to now step up and show what coaching ability he has plain and simple ..I have been an advocate for Taylor to see out his term as the club and team needed stability .
IMO the team has to show a significant improvement in the defensive structure they produce,the signing of the 4 is hugely important but as far as the coach is concerned he puts up or is moved on .
As many have stated the forward pack is weak and again will struggle on a weekly basis ,I know this is more a money problem than anything else ,but as we all know there is a lot more to coaching and it is now time Taylor stepped up then he can have his extension time to walk the walk the talking is over ..time for real results .

 

[TrueTiger]

JT is a snake in the grass, he should have been sacked long ago. but due to are no money issue, if he can have the team in the top 6 after 10 rounds then maybe a 1 year add on only so the players know whats going on, other than that if we are down the bottom after 3-6 six games sack him and sign cleary or toovey.

You talk about money issues at first and then end the paragraph with hire Cleary or Toovey.
Where will that 700k - 1m come from?

This is what irks me about bagging the coach out everytime it comes to making the finals eg. bptiger you call JT a snake in the grass,do you know him personally or is it because you don't want him coaching the side in your PROFESSIONAL OPINION as an NRL coach or just a keyboard warrior..he has done a reasonable job so far and still has a year to go…how about letting him do his job as per contract first and foremost..dont for a minute think we have a world class playing roster to win us a premiership at the moment,we have what we have that is affordable for the club,,and speaking of which,Brooks,Moses and company are paid big money to PERFORM in the NRL arena,if they spit the dummy during the game,miss tackles at crucial parts of the game,go missing during the game and don't perform to their pay cheques,maybe you should call them" snakes in the grass" for expecting payment for dismal performances...its a two way street,as a coach you can only work with what you have,if the players cant handle the heat of bigtime NRL then maybe they should look at another career and stop wasting club and members money by not performing to the reported hype and talent....

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

JT is a snake in the grass, he should have been sacked long ago. but due to are no money issue, if he can have the team in the top 6 after 10 rounds then maybe a 1 year add on only so the players know whats going on, other than that if we are down the bottom after 3-6 six games sack him and sign cleary or toovey.

You talk about money issues at first and then end the paragraph with hire Cleary or Toovey.
Where will that 700k - 1m come from?

This is what irks me about bagging the coach out everytime it comes to making the finals eg. bptiger you call JT a snake in the grass,do you know him personally or is it because you don't want him coaching the side in your PROFESSIONAL OPINION as an NRL coach or just a keyboard warrior..he has done a reasonable job so far and still has a year to go…how about letting him do his job as per contract first and foremost..dont for a minute think we have a world class playing roster to win us a premiership at the moment,we have what we have that is affordable for the club,,and speaking of which,Brooks,Moses and company are paid big money to PERFORM in the NRL arena,if **they spit the dummy during the game,miss tackles at crucial parts of the game,go missing during the game and don't perform to their pay cheques,maybe you should call them" snakes in the grass" for expecting payment for dismal performances...**its a two way street,as a coach you can only work with what you have,if the players cant handle the heat of bigtime NRL then maybe they should look at another career and stop wasting club and members money by not performing to the reported hype and talent....

There was one player whom applied himself 100% of the game but that did not get him very far - as well was considered by many to be the devil incarnate

 

[TrueTiger]

JT is a snake in the grass, he should have been sacked long ago. but due to are no money issue, if he can have the team in the top 6 after 10 rounds then maybe a 1 year add on only so the players know whats going on, other than that if we are down the bottom after 3-6 six games sack him and sign cleary or toovey.

You talk about money issues at first and then end the paragraph with hire Cleary or Toovey.
Where will that 700k - 1m come from?

This is what irks me about bagging the coach out everytime it comes to making the finals eg. bptiger you call JT a snake in the grass,do you know him personally or is it because you don't want him coaching the side in your PROFESSIONAL OPINION as an NRL coach or just a keyboard warrior..he has done a reasonable job so far and still has a year to go…how about letting him do his job as per contract first and foremost..dont for a minute think we have a world class playing roster to win us a premiership at the moment,we have what we have that is affordable for the club,,and speaking of which,Brooks,Moses and company are paid big money to PERFORM in the NRL arena,if **they spit the dummy during the game,miss tackles at crucial parts of the game,go missing during the game and don't perform to their pay cheques,maybe you should call them" snakes in the grass" for expecting payment for dismal performances...**its a two way street,as a coach you can only work with what you have,if the players cant handle the heat of bigtime NRL then maybe they should look at another career and stop wasting club and members money by not performing to the reported hype and talent....

There was one player whom applied himself 100% of the game but that did not get him very far - as well was considered by many to be the devil incarnate

He was given to much latitude…he should have played football and not try to backstab his boss...after all he is just a player gone elsewhere now...

 

[happy_tiger]

JT is a snake in the grass, he should have been sacked long ago. but due to are no money issue, if he can have the team in the top 6 after 10 rounds then maybe a 1 year add on only so the players know whats going on, other than that if we are down the bottom after 3-6 six games sack him and sign cleary or toovey.

You talk about money issues at first and then end the paragraph with hire Cleary or Toovey.
Where will that 700k - 1m come from?

This is what irks me about bagging the coach out everytime it comes to making the finals eg. bptiger you call JT a snake in the grass,do you know him personally or is it because you don't want him coaching the side in your PROFESSIONAL OPINION as an NRL coach or just a keyboard warrior..he has done a reasonable job so far and still has a year to go…how about letting him do his job as per contract first and foremost..dont for a minute think we have a world class playing roster to win us a premiership at the moment,we have what we have that is affordable for the club,,and speaking of which,Brooks,Moses and company are paid big money to PERFORM in the NRL arena,if **they spit the dummy during the game,miss tackles at crucial parts of the game,go missing during the game and don't perform to their pay cheques,maybe you should call them" snakes in the grass" for expecting payment for dismal performances...**its a two way street,as a coach you can only work with what you have,if the players cant handle the heat of bigtime NRL then maybe they should look at another career and stop wasting club and members money by not performing to the reported hype and talent....

There was one player whom applied himself 100% of the game but that did not get him very far - as well was considered by many to be the devil incarnate

Tedesco got heaps from this season played SOO and made the PM's 13

I don't think anyone sees him as the devil incarnate though