The NRL must INTERVENE

[Leck]

The titans owners ( private ownership ) went broke. It had nothing to do with poor governance they just couldn't meet the NRL demand to fork out money to pay wages. The NRL had to intervene to be able to onsell the licence.

A corporate financial collapse stems from systemic breakdowns in risk handling, strategic accountability and club governance.

The ongoing mismanagement of our club is the major factor for our lack of success, thanks to HBG.

 

[diedpretty]

A corporate financial collapse stems from systemic breakdowns in risk handling, strategic accountability and club governance.

The ongoing mismanagement of our club is the major factor for our lack of success, thanks to HBG.

But, but it was privately owned - the holy grail.

 

[Papacito]

I feel like PVL is running NRL like a business more than an asset.

I find the amount of changes and comments he makes off the cuff quite unprofessional and unsettling. I just feel like he's creating a bubble which might burst the moment he leaves or one big private owner sells at a loss.

Scott Penn apparently invests less into Manly than HBG into WT.

Lots of money going to players and other businesses but not into R&D and development of coaches.

I feel like a lot of clubs should be sending their performance coaches into EPL, NFL, NBA etc to see their recovery methods, their testing protocols and invite them to NRL as well.

I have no evidence to support it, but it just feels like we are expanding off a poor base. I don't buy this "we were about to go broke before PVL" bs. And if that's true, shouldn't the millions of extra $$ be invested more into NRL clubs (not salary cap) instead of expanding into another countries?

This is a really good point and touches on some big concerns within the game and risks. Less so with coaching and sports science, but the supply of elite talent.

In the blink of an eye, PVL and co have added two new clubs (PNG and Perth). Allegedly there is also a financial incentive on the table for another club to be added by 2029 (I think). The guys at the top have sold the broadcasters a product that there's a risk they can't deliver.

Neither PNG nor Perth has development pathways to speak of. The only way they fill their roster of 60+ elite players is to immediately poach players from other clubs. Those clubs then need to somehow fill holes in their roster.

A perfect example are the Laulilii brothers. Both local juniors that our club invested into. We've effectively paid the manufacturing cost for Perth to benefit from.

Once the third expansion team is added, you're talking a bigger shortage. An immediate need for 100 or so first graders and new ones coming through each season to replace those that retire, get injured etc.

Strategically it seems like the clubs putting a lot of money into big second tier programs will get hit hardest. Clubs will be picking the eyes out of their program.

Your point on Manly is a great one too. As a club, they don't spend much at all but have a reputation for talent identification. I also don't think it's appreciated enough either but Penrith and Brisbane have historically been elite at finding talent rather than just developing hundreds of kids and crossing their fingers.

I'm quietly optimistic that we're actually in a good position for the next five years if we have (or can get) the right sort of people finding talent for us. I'd be less confident with the calls for HBG to fund broad based pathways for other clubs to benefit from. Strategically it seems like a bad time for this approach.

 

[wstigers11]

It would be great if they bought the franchise wholly from HBG. New ownership that actually cares about performance.

Would seem like a win for both you’d think

 

[NT_Tiger]

Would seem like a win for both you’d think

And they wouldnt have to wait till the NRL is ready for further expansion, they'd get an existing franchise.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I feel like PVL is running NRL like a business more than an asset.

I find the amount of changes and comments he makes off the cuff quite unprofessional and unsettling. I just feel like he's creating a bubble which might burst the moment he leaves or one big private owner sells at a loss.

Scott Penn apparently invests less into Manly than HBG into WT.

Lots of money going to players and other businesses but not into R&D and development of coaches.

I feel like a lot of clubs should be sending their performance coaches into EPL, NFL, NBA etc to see their recovery methods, their testing protocols and invite them to NRL as well.

I have no evidence to support it, but it just feels like we are expanding off a poor base. I don't buy this "we were about to go broke before PVL" bs. And if that's true, shouldn't the millions of extra $$ be invested more into NRL clubs (not salary cap) instead of expanding into another countries?

It should be invested in grassroots to ensure there is a constant stream of quality juniors coming through the game, especially out bush.

 

[tig_prmz]

This is a really good point and touches on some big concerns within the game and risks. Less so with coaching and sports science, but the supply of elite talent.

In the blink of an eye, PVL and co have added two new clubs (PNG and Perth). Allegedly there is also a financial incentive on the table for another club to be added by 2029 (I think). The guys at the top have sold the broadcasters a product that there's a risk they can't deliver.

Neither PNG nor Perth has development pathways to speak of. The only way they fill their roster of 60+ elite players is to immediately poach players from other clubs. Those clubs then need to somehow fill holes in their roster.

A perfect example are the Laulilii brothers. Both local juniors that our club invested into. We've effectively paid the manufacturing cost for Perth to benefit from.

Once the third expansion team is added, you're talking a bigger shortage. An immediate need for 100 or so first graders and new ones coming through each season to replace those that retire, get injured etc.

Strategically it seems like the clubs putting a lot of money into big second tier programs will get hit hardest. Clubs will be picking the eyes out of their program.

Your point on Manly is a great one too. As a club, they don't spend much at all but have a reputation for talent identification. I also don't think it's appreciated enough either but Penrith and Brisbane have historically been elite at finding talent rather than just developing hundreds of kids and crossing their fingers.

I'm quietly optimistic that we're actually in a good position for the next five years if we have (or can get) the right sort of people finding talent for us. I'd be less confident with the calls for HBG to fund broad based pathways for other clubs to benefit from. Strategically it seems like a bad time for this approach.

I agree with most your points except the first one.

I think the talent is there. It needs sports science and coaching to make it elite. Lots of kids around Western and South West Sydney, South East Brisbane and New Zealand that have a bunch of talent but their junior clubs don't have the resources..

They don't see money in NRL until they're at the top.

The funding I believe should go towards funding excellence centers that are NOT club specific.

Pay for their accommodation, TAFE, uni degrees. Maybe NRL can affiliate with other unis kind of like how they do in college football.

Im afraid we are expanding off a bad base. I'm not saying it won't work and by all reports, the only reason we have this money to expand is because of PVL but unless your second, third and fourth string players are able to make some sort of a living off football, I can't see us producing talent.