The Papenhuyzen decision...

[weststigerman]

One of the Club's finest decisions. Perhaps the best player in RL now?

I’ll take Cleary thanks. The best players usually have starting positions in origin.

Wouldn’t have surprised me if he was another Mullaney or Shannon McDonnell of he stayed with us.

What does this confirm about appointments of senior staff in the football dept at that time? Also for a club relying on juniors to get us to the top 8 and beyond, the development system during that period?

Look back further. Melbourne are the best club in the competition at developing players and have done so for years. It’s got nothing to do with recent coaching staff.

From memory they’ve signed 3 players from us: Paps, Korobete, JAC. All have improved massively when they left.

It could be the facilities, the location, the coaching staff, or they let them watch their favourite tv show before bed.

Agreed. The biggest issue is scouting and retention. We have a superstar in our own juniors and the best we can come up with is he is not worth retaining because he is suffering injury? Papenhuyzen is a player you build a team around!

It was a screw up, no doubt, but I think there was more to it than dumping him because he was injury prone. I also think at the time the club partially gave up on the the juniors theory when Woods, Moses, Tedesco all bailed.

The important point is are we making sure this doesn't happen again? Do we have another Tedesco or Paps coming through? I haven't seen anything like that but hard to tell given there is no junior footy.

I actually think we're on the right track now, I can't remember too many players since 2017 that we lost that we're regretting. We're a long way from Melbourne though.

 

[Russell]

Expanding the topic...let's look at the whole Kelly Egan 'era'.

I, and most of you, blame Cleary...but when you examine it, Egan is almost as much to blame.

Who let go Tevita Tatola, Nathan Brown?....we seem to let go champs and recruit chumps in their place....our recruitment and retention the last 8 years had been diabolical

Don't forget Paseka.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

One of the Club's finest decisions. Perhaps the best player in RL now?

I’ll take Cleary thanks. The best players usually have starting positions in origin.

Wouldn’t have surprised me if he was another Mullaney or Shannon McDonnell of he stayed with us.

What does this confirm about appointments of senior staff in the football dept at that time? Also for a club relying on juniors to get us to the top 8 and beyond, the development system during that period?

Look back further. Melbourne are the best club in the competition at developing players and have done so for years. It’s got nothing to do with recent coaching staff.

From memory they’ve signed 3 players from us: Paps, Korobete, JAC. All have improved massively when they left.

It could be the facilities, the location, the coaching staff, or they let them watch their favourite tv show before bed.

Agreed. The biggest issue is scouting and retention. We have a superstar in our own juniors and the best we can come up with is he is not worth retaining because he is suffering injury? Papenhuyzen is a player you build a team around!

It was a screw up, no doubt, but I think there was more to it than dumping him because he was injury prone. I also think at the time the club partially gave up on the the juniors theory when Woods, Moses, Tedesco all bailed.

The important point is are we making sure this doesn't happen again? Do we have another Tedesco or Paps coming through? I haven't seen anything like that but hard to tell given there is no junior footy.

I actually think we're on the right track now, I can't remember too many players since 2017 that we lost that we're regretting. We're a long way from Melbourne though.

Definitely we are improving significantly with junior recruitment and retention. Papenhuyzen is an affable type when interviewed. He would have been such a great marketing figure for WTs' brand.

 

[coivtny]

Papenhuyzen was a Parra junior. Was Egan responsible for pinching him and bringing him to Tigers?

First i heard of this, I always thought he was a Tigers junior. He was definitely a Tigers under 16s rep.


Played for Kellyville and Hills Bulls. Grew up in Kellyville. My son was mates with him at school.

One of two Oakhill College boys playing first grade NRL at the moment. The other is Luke Keary. Not a bad pair.


Yeah my son knew Luke as well but he is a couple of years older. Oakhill have had pretty good sides for a few years now, particularly in Union. Good school.

Yeh, 3 of my 4 boys went there. The 4th didn't want to go because our 2nd didn't endear himself to the brothers and he thought his name would be mud before he even started. Was a bit of a wild child was our number 2.

Any of them Paps age?

No, the oldest finished in 1993 and the third finished in 2005, well before Pap went through. I think the youngest played rugby with Keiran Jack (Garry's son). Keiran was a pretty fair player I believe who could have gone on with it if he hadn't played AFL.

So, youre fourth son went to the local public high school?

No, he went to Gilroy College. Not as upmarket as Oakhill but a good school in its own right.


My ex wife went there........lets leave it at that.

Haha, fair enough.

 

[Moh]

Paps was let go before Tedesco was leaving wasn't he?

I don't think anyone would have picked Paps over Tedesco then.

 

[Telltails]

Paps was let go before Tedesco was leaving wasn't he?

I don't think anyone would have picked Paps over Tedesco then.

That's what I thought. Teddy was meant to be our generational player - shame he had other ideas.

 

[Tiger5150]

One of the Club's finest decisions. Perhaps the best player in RL now?

I’ll take Cleary thanks. The best players usually have starting positions in origin.

Wouldn’t have surprised me if he was another Mullaney or Shannon McDonnell of he stayed with us.

What does this confirm about appointments of senior staff in the football dept at that time? Also for a club relying on juniors to get us to the top 8 and beyond, the development system during that period?

Look back further. Melbourne are the best club in the competition at developing players and have done so for years. It’s got nothing to do with recent coaching staff.

From memory they’ve signed 3 players from us: Paps, Korobete, JAC. All have improved massively when they left.

It could be the facilities, the location, the coaching staff, or they let them watch their favourite tv show before bed.

Agreed. The biggest issue is scouting and retention. We have a superstar in our own juniors and the best we can come up with is he is not worth retaining because he is suffering injury? Papenhuyzen is a player you build a team around!

It was a screw up, no doubt, but I think there was more to it than dumping him because he was injury prone. I also think at the time the club partially gave up on the the juniors theory when Woods, Moses, Tedesco all bailed.

Tedesco hadnt bailed when Papenhuyzen left.

 

[Magpie1969]

Young Papps Do you want to stay and play for WT or would you like to come and learn your trade with Slater and be part of a winning culture.
Bellamy where do I sign.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Paps was let go before Tedesco was leaving wasn't he?

I don't think anyone would have picked Paps over Tedesco then.

Why did it have to be a choice?

Those who were paid to position the Club to achieve the best results should have ensured our fall back option was secured ie that Papenhuyzen was contracted to WTs.

 

[Tiger5150]

Paps was let go before Tedesco was leaving wasn't he?

I don't think anyone would have picked Paps over Tedesco then.

Why did it have to be a choice?

Those who were paid to position the Club to achieve the best results should have ensured our fall back option was secured ie that Papenhuyzen was contracted to WTs.

Chain him?

 

[happy_tiger]

I think if you go back and look at Egan's record it stands up pretty well

He was involved with the Cowboys junior recruitment from 2011 -2013 (2 years before their premiership ) , involved in coaching the Junior Kangaroos ......Manly as an assistant coach and then the Bulldogs before us

I don't care how good you are or are not ...but your not going to get every call right as far as junior recruitment /retention goes ..especially when you have a lot to choose from

Brisbane , Cowboys ,NZ , Newcastle ,Parra and Dogs have large pools of juniors to choose from and you could have 4-5 all in the same age group all as equally talented as each other

The case I use is Willie Carne ....known him for many years from being in the same class at IGS ....if you had told me he would have gone from the 2nd 15 at IGS to NRL player in 4 years I would have taken you to the nearest hospital to have your stomach pumped and stuck you in a drug dependency ward

We have lets lots of players go who go on to better things

 

[happy_tiger]

And he must have been a fantastic footballer ...future Immortal ...he beat me with a right hand fend lol in a challenging defensive position

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I think if you go back and look at Egan's record it stands up pretty well

He was involved with the Cowboys junior recruitment from 2011 -2013 (2 years before their premiership ) , involved in coaching the Junior Kangaroos ......Manly as an assistant coach and then the Bulldogs before us

I don't care how good you are or are not ...but your not going to get every call right as far as junior recruitment /retention goes ..especially when you have a lot to choose from

Brisbane , Cowboys ,NZ , Newcastle ,Parra and Dogs have large pools of juniors to choose from and you could have 4-5 all in the same age group all as equally talented as each other

The case I use is Willie Carne ....known him for many years from being in the same class at IGS ....if you had told me he would have gone from the 2nd 15 at IGS to NRL player in 4 years I would have taken you to the nearest hospital to have your stomach pumped and stuck you in a drug dependency ward

We have lets lots of players go who go on to better things

This was a massive blunder. I mean LM was SG Ball player of the year, Papenhuyzen HM player of the year and many junior rep teams. The top clubs rarely lose vgood young players.

 

[happy_tiger]

I think if you go back and look at Egan's record it stands up pretty well

He was involved with the Cowboys junior recruitment from 2011 -2013 (2 years before their premiership ) , involved in coaching the Junior Kangaroos ......Manly as an assistant coach and then the Bulldogs before us

I don't care how good you are or are not ...but your not going to get every call right as far as junior recruitment /retention goes ..especially when you have a lot to choose from

Brisbane , Cowboys ,NZ , Newcastle ,Parra and Dogs have large pools of juniors to choose from and you could have 4-5 all in the same age group all as equally talented as each other

The case I use is Willie Carne ....known him for many years from being in the same class at IGS ....if you had told me he would have gone from the 2nd 15 at IGS to NRL player in 4 years I would have taken you to the nearest hospital to have your stomach pumped and stuck you in a drug dependency ward

We have lets lots of players go who go on to better things

This was a massive blunder. I mean LM was SG Ball player of the year, Papenhuyzen HM player of the year and many junior rep teams. The top clubs rarely lose vgood young players.

LM ...sorry ..who at the Tigers is / was LM

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I think if you go back and look at Egan's record it stands up pretty well

He was involved with the Cowboys junior recruitment from 2011 -2013 (2 years before their premiership ) , involved in coaching the Junior Kangaroos ......Manly as an assistant coach and then the Bulldogs before us

I don't care how good you are or are not ...but your not going to get every call right as far as junior recruitment /retention goes ..especially when you have a lot to choose from

Brisbane , Cowboys ,NZ , Newcastle ,Parra and Dogs have large pools of juniors to choose from and you could have 4-5 all in the same age group all as equally talented as each other

The case I use is Willie Carne ....known him for many years from being in the same class at IGS ....if you had told me he would have gone from the 2nd 15 at IGS to NRL player in 4 years I would have taken you to the nearest hospital to have your stomach pumped and stuck you in a drug dependency ward

We have lets lots of players go who go on to better things

This was a massive blunder. I mean LM was SG Ball player of the year, Papenhuyzen HM player of the year and many junior rep teams. The top clubs rarely lose vgood young players.

LM ...sorry ..who at the Tigers is / was LM

Lattrell Mitchell fullback and SG Ball player of the year. Papenhuyzen fullback and HM player of the year.

 

[happy_tiger]

I think if you go back and look at Egan's record it stands up pretty well

He was involved with the Cowboys junior recruitment from 2011 -2013 (2 years before their premiership ) , involved in coaching the Junior Kangaroos ......Manly as an assistant coach and then the Bulldogs before us

I don't care how good you are or are not ...but your not going to get every call right as far as junior recruitment /retention goes ..especially when you have a lot to choose from

Brisbane , Cowboys ,NZ , Newcastle ,Parra and Dogs have large pools of juniors to choose from and you could have 4-5 all in the same age group all as equally talented as each other

The case I use is Willie Carne ....known him for many years from being in the same class at IGS ....if you had told me he would have gone from the 2nd 15 at IGS to NRL player in 4 years I would have taken you to the nearest hospital to have your stomach pumped and stuck you in a drug dependency ward

We have lets lots of players go who go on to better things

This was a massive blunder. I mean LM was SG Ball player of the year, Papenhuyzen HM player of the year and many junior rep teams. The top clubs rarely lose vgood young players.

LM ...sorry ..who at the Tigers is / was LM

Lattrell Mitchell fullback and SG Ball player of the year. Papenhuyzen fullback and HM player of the year.

Roosters let him go ....


But look at Fifita ...we chose Groat and Woods over him


Roosters had 1st shot at Fifita as well ....

I'm off to work ...but I'll do a list tonight of the screw ups recruitment / retention calls

 

[tigerap]

Expanding the topic...let's look at the whole Kelly Egan 'era'.

I, and most of you, blame Cleary...but when you examine it, Egan is almost as much to blame.

Who let go Tevita Tatola, Nathan Brown?....we seem to let go champs and recruit chumps in their place....our recruitment and retention the last 8 years had been diabolical

Is Tatola the Souths big souffs dude who scored a double ?

Thats him...how good would he look in our pack now....assured he isn't on $750k p.a. either

 

[tigerap]

I think if you go back and look at Egan's record it stands up pretty well

He was involved with the Cowboys junior recruitment from 2011 -2013 (2 years before their premiership ) , involved in coaching the Junior Kangaroos ......Manly as an assistant coach and then the Bulldogs before us

I don't care how good you are or are not ...but your not going to get every call right as far as junior recruitment /retention goes ..especially when you have a lot to choose from

Brisbane , Cowboys ,NZ , Newcastle ,Parra and Dogs have large pools of juniors to choose from and you could have 4-5 all in the same age group all as equally talented as each other

The case I use is Willie Carne ....known him for many years from being in the same class at IGS ....if you had told me he would have gone from the 2nd 15 at IGS to NRL player in 4 years I would have taken you to the nearest hospital to have your stomach pumped and stuck you in a drug dependency ward

We have lets lots of players go who go on to better things

This was a massive blunder. I mean LM was SG Ball player of the year, Papenhuyzen HM player of the year and many junior rep teams. The top clubs rarely lose vgood young players.

LM ...sorry ..who at the Tigers is / was LM

Lattrell Mitchell fullback and SG Ball player of the year. Papenhuyzen fullback and HM player of the year.

Roosters let him go ....


But look at Fifita ...we chose Groat and Woods over him


Roosters had 1st shot at Fifita as well ....

I'm off to work ...but I'll do a list tonight of the screw ups recruitment / retention calls

Will make for interesting reading....will show how incompetent our recruitment and retention has been over the years....an area I don't think the club has given much thought to.

 

[Tiger5150]

I think if you go back and look at Egan's record it stands up pretty well

He was involved with the Cowboys junior recruitment from 2011 -2013 (2 years before their premiership ) , involved in coaching the Junior Kangaroos ......Manly as an assistant coach and then the Bulldogs before us

I don't care how good you are or are not ...but your not going to get every call right as far as junior recruitment /retention goes ..especially when you have a lot to choose from

Brisbane , Cowboys ,NZ , Newcastle ,Parra and Dogs have large pools of juniors to choose from and you could have 4-5 all in the same age group all as equally talented as each other

The case I use is Willie Carne ....known him for many years from being in the same class at IGS ....if you had told me he would have gone from the 2nd 15 at IGS to NRL player in 4 years I would have taken you to the nearest hospital to have your stomach pumped and stuck you in a drug dependency ward

We have lets lots of players go who go on to better things

This was a massive blunder. I mean LM was SG Ball player of the year, Papenhuyzen HM player of the year and many junior rep teams. The top clubs rarely lose vgood young players.

LM ...sorry ..who at the Tigers is / was LM

Lattrell Mitchell fullback and SG Ball player of the year. Papenhuyzen fullback and HM player of the year.

Roosters let him go ....


But look at Fifita ...we chose Groat and Woods over him


Roosters had 1st shot at Fifita as well ....

I'm off to work ...but I'll do a list tonight of the screw ups recruitment / retention calls

If only we already had a thread where we could [lament](https://weststigersforum.com/topic/30065/the-wests-tigers-lament-thread) all the screw up recruitment/retention calls.

 

[Tiger5150]

I think if you go back and look at Egan's record it stands up pretty well

He was involved with the Cowboys junior recruitment from 2011 -2013 (2 years before their premiership ) , involved in coaching the Junior Kangaroos ......Manly as an assistant coach and then the Bulldogs before us

I don't care how good you are or are not ...but your not going to get every call right as far as junior recruitment /retention goes ..especially when you have a lot to choose from

Brisbane , Cowboys ,NZ , Newcastle ,Parra and Dogs have large pools of juniors to choose from and you could have 4-5 all in the same age group all as equally talented as each other

The case I use is Willie Carne ....known him for many years from being in the same class at IGS ....if you had told me he would have gone from the 2nd 15 at IGS to NRL player in 4 years I would have taken you to the nearest hospital to have your stomach pumped and stuck you in a drug dependency ward

We have lets lots of players go who go on to better things

This was a massive blunder. I mean LM was SG Ball player of the year, Papenhuyzen HM player of the year and many junior rep teams. The top clubs rarely lose vgood young players.

LM ...sorry ..who at the Tigers is / was LM

Lattrell Mitchell fullback and SG Ball player of the year. Papenhuyzen fullback and HM player of the year.

Roosters let him go ....


But look at Fifita ...we chose Groat and Woods over him


Roosters had 1st shot at Fifita as well ....

I'm off to work ...but I'll do a list tonight of the screw ups recruitment / retention calls

Will make for interesting reading....will show how incompetent our recruitment and retention has been over the years....an area I don't think the club has given much thought to.

Why wait?
https://weststigersforum.com/topic/30065/the-wests-tigers-lament-thread