The Papenhuyzen decision...

[tony soprano]

Why are we rehashing this topic? It's done to death. Paps took an equivalent offer from Storm to play under Slater and Bellamy, and to get out from behind Tedesco. He is quoted directly about this decision. Tigers matched the Storm offer and Paps decided to leave.

Whatever the exact and most important reasons that he left, it cannot be argued that Tigers had a million-dollar offer on the games' emerging #1 fullback. It also cannot be argued that Storm have and continue to have now the games' most influential (a) player and (b) coach.

Maybe Kelly Egan is/was a complete and utter incompetent moron. Who cares, what more can we do given he's already left the club? Sack him in retrospect? Maybe it would have helped Kelly out if Tigers had the all-time greatest coach going around, to sweeten deals.

No, we must debate this until the end of time.

Or at least until we win the premiership again.

Has anyone on this Forum ever made a bad decision??

Never

 

[ElleryHanley]

Paps was let go before Tedesco was leaving wasn't he?

I don't think anyone would have picked Paps over Tedesco then.

Why did it have to be a choice?

Those who were paid to position the Club to achieve the best results should have ensured our fall back option was secured ie that Papenhuyzen was contracted to WTs.

I'd assume Paps didn't want to sit behind Tedesco. You have to remember at the time, Teddy was our future.

Everyone seems to have gotten away from the original post...Kelly Egan decided to not retain Paps as he was injury prone.

The whole point of the post was to dispel the Tedesco stuff. Chaamas has come out and said Paps was not wanted by Egan.


Everyone has "gotten away from the original post" because its rubbish and has been shown over and over again through out this thread that its rubbish.

"Kelly Egan decided to get rid of Paps because he was injury prone".....because a journalist said so? Oh ok. Must be gospel. You went on to say that Egan "preferred" Dylan Smith to Paps.

Out of Paps own mouth here in the thread, he always dreamt to play with Melbourne and when Bellamy knocked on his door it was a dream come true and he couldnt go quick enough....He had Tedesco in front of him, had a rubbish coach ahead of him in a poorly performing squad that was tearing itself apart......but a journalist says some mindless rubbish that has no resemblance to facts but aligns with your prior biases and thats close enough?

A journalist? That is very dismissive.

It is Chaamas we are talking about. Go and look at his history with us.......

 

[mike]

Why are we rehashing this topic? It's done to death. Paps took an equivalent offer from Storm to play under Slater and Bellamy, and to get out from behind Tedesco. He is quoted directly about this decision. Tigers matched the Storm offer and Paps decided to leave.

Whatever the exact and most important reasons that he left, it cannot be argued that Tigers had a million-dollar offer on the games' emerging #1 fullback. It also cannot be argued that Storm have and continue to have now the games' most influential (a) player and (b) coach.

Maybe Kelly Egan is/was a complete and utter incompetent moron. Who cares, what more can we do given he's already left the club? Sack him in retrospect? Maybe it would have helped Kelly out if Tigers had the all-time greatest coach going around, to sweeten deals.

No, we must debate this until the end of time.

Or at least until we win the premiership again.

Has anyone on this Forum ever made a bad decision??

All the time. Still making them.

 

[the_third]

“Be a goldfish”

Ted Lasso

 

[Tiger5150]

I think if you go back and look at Egan's record it stands up pretty well

He was involved with the Cowboys junior recruitment from 2011 -2013 (2 years before their premiership ) , involved in coaching the Junior Kangaroos ......Manly as an assistant coach and then the Bulldogs before us

I don't care how good you are or are not ...but your not going to get every call right as far as junior recruitment /retention goes ..especially when you have a lot to choose from

Brisbane , Cowboys ,NZ , Newcastle ,Parra and Dogs have large pools of juniors to choose from and you could have 4-5 all in the same age group all as equally talented as each other

The case I use is Willie Carne ....known him for many years from being in the same class at IGS ....if you had told me he would have gone from the 2nd 15 at IGS to NRL player in 4 years I would have taken you to the nearest hospital to have your stomach pumped and stuck you in a drug dependency ward

We have lets lots of players go who go on to better things

This was a massive blunder. I mean LM was SG Ball player of the year, Papenhuyzen HM player of the year and many junior rep teams. The top clubs rarely lose vgood young players.

LM ...sorry ..who at the Tigers is / was LM

Lattrell Mitchell fullback and SG Ball player of the year. Papenhuyzen fullback and HM player of the year.

Roosters let him go ....


But look at Fifita ...we chose Groat and Woods over him


Roosters had 1st shot at Fifita as well ....

I'm off to work ...but I'll do a list tonight of the screw ups recruitment / retention calls

I don't think it'll be as bad as some make out TBH.
In 20 years we've probably only had a handful of really bad decisions. Tedesco, Fifita, Papenhyzen and JAC. Tedesco didn't want to be here so there is nothing we could've done about that. A few others are reasonable footballers but very hit and miss.....Moses, Matterson, Woods, Koro, Brown, Tatola, Bronson Harrison, both Sirro's. Matterson is in the same dog catagory as Moses and Ted as far as not wanting to play at WT goes.Koro wasn't any better at Storm than what he was here, still couldn't defend to save his life.

I think you can put Papenhuyzen in the same category as Tedesco. We way some carry on about this "decision" you would swear Papenhuyzen was begging us to stay but Kelly Egan says "Sorry Paps you are too skinny and look like you will snap".

 

[Tiger5150]

Paps was let go before Tedesco was leaving wasn't he?

I don't think anyone would have picked Paps over Tedesco then.

Why did it have to be a choice?

Those who were paid to position the Club to achieve the best results should have ensured our fall back option was secured ie that Papenhuyzen was contracted to WTs.

I'd assume Paps didn't want to sit behind Tedesco. You have to remember at the time, Teddy was our future.

Everyone seems to have gotten away from the original post...Kelly Egan decided to not retain Paps as he was injury prone.

The whole point of the post was to dispel the Tedesco stuff. Chaamas has come out and said Paps was not wanted by Egan.


Everyone has "gotten away from the original post" because its rubbish and has been shown over and over again through out this thread that its rubbish.

"Kelly Egan decided to get rid of Paps because he was injury prone".....because a journalist said so? Oh ok. Must be gospel. You went on to say that Egan "preferred" Dylan Smith to Paps.

Out of Paps own mouth here in the thread, he always dreamt to play with Melbourne and when Bellamy knocked on his door it was a dream come true and he couldnt go quick enough....He had Tedesco in front of him, had a rubbish coach ahead of him in a poorly performing squad that was tearing itself apart......but a journalist says some mindless rubbish that has no resemblance to facts but aligns with your prior biases and thats close enough?

A journalist? That is very dismissive.

It is Chaamas we are talking about. Go and look at his history with us.......

I dont know who the hell Chaamas is but Michael Chammas is a journalist and just a journalist. He has no special ties to the club but he has ties to Benji Marshall. He is the journalist that has been feeding all the woe is me rubbish about Benji and the club and was also the one sparking the Madge has lost the dressing room rubbish. He is just a journalist and not a particularly good one but often used when someone has an axe to grind.

You can choose to put all your eggs in the basket of believing a journalist who said we were signing JAC instead of LM in 2019, our you can believe your own ears when you hear Paps say himself that he always want to play for Melbourne and he couldnt wait to get there and believe your own eyes and use your own brain about what else was going on around him and the club at the time.

 

[Tiger5150]

Why are we rehashing this topic? It's done to death. Paps took an equivalent offer from Storm to play under Slater and Bellamy, and to get out from behind Tedesco. He is quoted directly about this decision. Tigers matched the Storm offer and Paps decided to leave.

Whatever the exact and most important reasons that he left, it cannot be argued that Tigers had a million-dollar offer on the games' emerging #1 fullback. It also cannot be argued that Storm have and continue to have now the games' most influential (a) player and (b) coach.

Maybe Kelly Egan is/was a complete and utter incompetent moron. Who cares, what more can we do given he's already left the club? Sack him in retrospect? Maybe it would have helped Kelly out if Tigers had the all-time greatest coach going around, to sweeten deals.

No, we must debate this until the end of time.

Mate I'm not even convinced Paps could produce his current form at Tigers. He has the luxury of being in the Storm system at the moment, and he's been there since 2018, playing 1.5 years of QLD cup, almost being released by Storm in 2019.

What everyone really needs to remember is that Brodie Croft is the key to the emergence of Paps at Storm. Storm persisted with Croft for some time, but when he was out and Jahrome Hughes moved to halfback, the Storm clicked and Paps took his opportunity well. Croft obviously since been traded to Broncos and Hughes has gone from fullback to FT halfback.

Even without Paps, the 3rd-stringer option Nicho Hynes is still a handy footballer.

I reckon Nicho Hynes is the epitome of bog average footballer who is made to excell in the Storm system. I cringe everytime some throws his name up in the signings suggestion thread. I reckon he would be very average in our system.

 

[Tiger5150]

Paps was let go before Tedesco was leaving wasn't he?

I don't think anyone would have picked Paps over Tedesco then.

Why did it have to be a choice?

Those who were paid to position the Club to achieve the best results should have ensured our fall back option was secured ie that Papenhuyzen was contracted to WTs.

I'd assume Paps didn't want to sit behind Tedesco. You have to remember at the time, Teddy was our future.

Everyone seems to have gotten away from the original post...Kelly Egan decided to not retain Paps as he was injury prone.

The whole point of the post was to dispel the Tedesco stuff. Chaamas has come out and said Paps was not wanted by Egan.

You are twisting the statement.

Firstly does Chammas actually direct-quote anyone? You did not link the article, I can't read to verify.

Secondly, Kelly Egan may well have believed Paps was too injury prone, but that is not the same as saying Tigers released him *because* he was too injury prone. That may have simply been Egan's sole opinion.

Papenhuyzen himself has been quoted very many times about why he left, I don't see the point of rehashing it to either bullet Jason Taylor or Kelly Egan or any other dude from the 2017 management.

Chaamas gets feed unofficial press releases from the club, as you know.

From the club? Did the club tell him that we were buying JAC in 2019? Did the club tell Chammas that Madge had lost the players? Was it the club telling him that Benji was treated so appallingly?

 

[Needaname]

Paps was let go before Tedesco was leaving wasn't he?

I don't think anyone would have picked Paps over Tedesco then.

Why did it have to be a choice?

Those who were paid to position the Club to achieve the best results should have ensured our fall back option was secured ie that Papenhuyzen was contracted to WTs.

I'd assume Paps didn't want to sit behind Tedesco. You have to remember at the time, Teddy was our future.

Everyone seems to have gotten away from the original post...Kelly Egan decided to not retain Paps as he was injury prone.

The whole point of the post was to dispel the Tedesco stuff. Chaamas has come out and said Paps was not wanted by Egan.

Thank you @ElleryHanley.
I for one support the angle of your post.
Whilst I won’t get drawn into the Kelly Egan was a terrible appointment arguement I do think it is worth having a discussion about the club at the time and the position it was in. Justin Pascoe, unfortunately for him is the common denominator in all of this. I’ll stand corrected if there are others involved in these decisions but I believe he was involved in the Kelly recruitment just like the Ivan Cleary recruitment.
But Just like then he was recently involved in the Madge and Hartigan recruitment.
Were the first two a rush of blood decision or were was it a case of getting the best available at the time.
I also remember Egan having a list of 3 potential halves partners for Brooks drawn up and mentioned in an interview at the time. Johnson, Widdop and Reynolds. Whilst the recruiting of the first two may have been more of a success they did knock us back and only Reynolds showed interest. What I can’t agree with is that with Widdop and Johnson both being the dominant playmaker of their teams, that Reynolds was bundled into the same category, Reynolds was not his teams ‘playmaker’ and couldn’t goal kick. And in my opinion would of been an astute signing on half his salary ‘without the benefit of hindsight, injuries etc’.
Instead the club throws the sink at him...
Who was responsible.
At the same time of the interview with Egan it was mentioned and confirmed by Pascoe that a recruitment and retention consortium was set up with Pascoe, Egan and Cleary all being involved in the decision making process.
Since we’ve fallen on our feet and found a favourable outcome with Madge. But since Madge’s inception, who made the decision that Egan was the scapegoat for all the past mistakes and commenced the recruitment of Hartigan?

As a side and back on to your topic specifically with Paps. In an interview at the time, to support but also lament Egans comments re Paps and his injury history. Melbourne it was mentioned flew Paps down whilst still contracted to us and paid for a consultation with a specialist for hamstring injuries. The extra attention to ensuring Paps was able to get the rehab he will require to build to a successful career is was pushed him into the storm corner.
I’ve heard similar stories re Tedesco and how the Roosters manage his Knee conditions.

Shows we have a big gap in making sure these players get the right attention they need off the field.

Another side note. Mikalee was the last player to be recruited through our Keebra Park connections prior to ceasing that relationship as a feeder club. I think their were a couple of others that came with him, Connelly Leumulu possibly but yeah have been moved on to other pastures.

 

[hobbo1]

I think if you go back and look at Egan's record it stands up pretty well

He was involved with the Cowboys junior recruitment from 2011 -2013 (2 years before their premiership ) , involved in coaching the Junior Kangaroos ......Manly as an assistant coach and then the Bulldogs before us

I don't care how good you are or are not ...but your not going to get every call right as far as junior recruitment /retention goes ..especially when you have a lot to choose from

Brisbane , Cowboys ,NZ , Newcastle ,Parra and Dogs have large pools of juniors to choose from and you could have 4-5 all in the same age group all as equally talented as each other

The case I use is Willie Carne ....known him for many years from being in the same class at IGS ....if you had told me he would have gone from the 2nd 15 at IGS to NRL player in 4 years I would have taken you to the nearest hospital to have your stomach pumped and stuck you in a drug dependency ward

We have lets lots of players go who go on to better things

This was a massive blunder. I mean LM was SG Ball player of the year, Papenhuyzen HM player of the year and many junior rep teams. The top clubs rarely lose vgood young players.

LM ...sorry ..who at the Tigers is / was LM

Lattrell Mitchell fullback and SG Ball player of the year. Papenhuyzen fullback and HM player of the year.

Roosters let him go ....


But look at Fifita ...we chose Groat and Woods over him


Roosters had 1st shot at Fifita as well ....

I'm off to work ...but I'll do a list tonight of the screw ups recruitment / retention calls

Get a real job loser lol

 

[Fade.To.Black]

Why are we rehashing this topic? It's done to death. Paps took an equivalent offer from Storm to play under Slater and Bellamy, and to get out from behind Tedesco. He is quoted directly about this decision. Tigers matched the Storm offer and Paps decided to leave.

Whatever the exact and most important reasons that he left, it cannot be argued that Tigers had a million-dollar offer on the games' emerging #1 fullback. It also cannot be argued that Storm have and continue to have now the games' most influential (a) player and (b) coach.

Maybe Kelly Egan is/was a complete and utter incompetent moron. Who cares, what more can we do given he's already left the club? Sack him in retrospect? Maybe it would have helped Kelly out if Tigers had the all-time greatest coach going around, to sweeten deals.

No, we must debate this until the end of time.

Mate I'm not even convinced Paps could produce his current form at Tigers. He has the luxury of being in the Storm system at the moment, and he's been there since 2018, playing 1.5 years of QLD cup, almost being released by Storm in 2019.

What everyone really needs to remember is that Brodie Croft is the key to the emergence of Paps at Storm. Storm persisted with Croft for some time, but when he was out and Jahrome Hughes moved to halfback, the Storm clicked and Paps took his opportunity well. Croft obviously since been traded to Broncos and Hughes has gone from fullback to FT halfback.

Even without Paps, the 3rd-stringer option Nicho Hynes is still a handy footballer.


I reckon Nicho Hynes is the epitome of bog average footballer who is made to excell in the Storm system. I cringe everytime some throws his name up in the signings suggestion thread. I reckon he would be very average in our system.

I reckon he will be a pretty good player, he's shown a fair bit of promise to this point. He's gonna be a bloody big unit when he finishes growing, he'll make a good big-bodied 6 ala Fitter.
Wouldn't mind him at WT.

 

[Tiger5150]

Why are we rehashing this topic? It's done to death. Paps took an equivalent offer from Storm to play under Slater and Bellamy, and to get out from behind Tedesco. He is quoted directly about this decision. Tigers matched the Storm offer and Paps decided to leave.

Whatever the exact and most important reasons that he left, it cannot be argued that Tigers had a million-dollar offer on the games' emerging #1 fullback. It also cannot be argued that Storm have and continue to have now the games' most influential (a) player and (b) coach.

Maybe Kelly Egan is/was a complete and utter incompetent moron. Who cares, what more can we do given he's already left the club? Sack him in retrospect? Maybe it would have helped Kelly out if Tigers had the all-time greatest coach going around, to sweeten deals.

No, we must debate this until the end of time.

Mate I'm not even convinced Paps could produce his current form at Tigers. He has the luxury of being in the Storm system at the moment, and he's been there since 2018, playing 1.5 years of QLD cup, almost being released by Storm in 2019.

What everyone really needs to remember is that Brodie Croft is the key to the emergence of Paps at Storm. Storm persisted with Croft for some time, but when he was out and Jahrome Hughes moved to halfback, the Storm clicked and Paps took his opportunity well. Croft obviously since been traded to Broncos and Hughes has gone from fullback to FT halfback.

Even without Paps, the 3rd-stringer option Nicho Hynes is still a handy footballer.


I reckon Nicho Hynes is the epitome of bog average footballer who is made to excell in the Storm system. I cringe everytime some throws his name up in the signings suggestion thread. I reckon he would be very average in our system.

I reckon he will be a pretty good player, he's shown a fair bit of promise to this point. He's gonna be a bloody big unit when he finishes growing, he'll make a good big-bodied 6 ala Fitter.
Wouldn't mind him at WT.

Diversity of opinion is a wonderful thing.

 

[Geo]

Why are we rehashing this topic? It's done to death. Paps took an equivalent offer from Storm to play under Slater and Bellamy, and to get out from behind Tedesco. He is quoted directly about this decision. Tigers matched the Storm offer and Paps decided to leave.

Whatever the exact and most important reasons that he left, it cannot be argued that Tigers had a million-dollar offer on the games' emerging #1 fullback. It also cannot be argued that Storm have and continue to have now the games' most influential (a) player and (b) coach.

Maybe Kelly Egan is/was a complete and utter incompetent moron. Who cares, what more can we do given he's already left the club? Sack him in retrospect? Maybe it would have helped Kelly out if Tigers had the all-time greatest coach going around, to sweeten deals.

No, we must debate this until the end of time.

Mate I'm not even convinced Paps could produce his current form at Tigers. He has the luxury of being in the Storm system at the moment, and he's been there since 2018, playing 1.5 years of QLD cup, almost being released by Storm in 2019.

What everyone really needs to remember is that Brodie Croft is the key to the emergence of Paps at Storm. Storm persisted with Croft for some time, but when he was out and Jahrome Hughes moved to halfback, the Storm clicked and Paps took his opportunity well. Croft obviously since been traded to Broncos and Hughes has gone from fullback to FT halfback.

Even without Paps, the 3rd-stringer option Nicho Hynes is still a handy footballer.


I reckon Nicho Hynes is the epitome of bog average footballer who is made to excell in the Storm system. I cringe everytime some throws his name up in the signings suggestion thread. I reckon he would be very average in our system.

I reckon he will be a pretty good player, he's shown a fair bit of promise to this point. He's gonna be a bloody big unit when he finishes growing, he'll make a good big-bodied 6 ala Fitter.
Wouldn't mind him at WT.

Umm he's 24 yo unless he undertakes a Sharpies regime you woud think his growing is done..

 

[Fade.To.Black]

Why are we rehashing this topic? It's done to death. Paps took an equivalent offer from Storm to play under Slater and Bellamy, and to get out from behind Tedesco. He is quoted directly about this decision. Tigers matched the Storm offer and Paps decided to leave.

Whatever the exact and most important reasons that he left, it cannot be argued that Tigers had a million-dollar offer on the games' emerging #1 fullback. It also cannot be argued that Storm have and continue to have now the games' most influential (a) player and (b) coach.

Maybe Kelly Egan is/was a complete and utter incompetent moron. Who cares, what more can we do given he's already left the club? Sack him in retrospect? Maybe it would have helped Kelly out if Tigers had the all-time greatest coach going around, to sweeten deals.

No, we must debate this until the end of time.

Mate I'm not even convinced Paps could produce his current form at Tigers. He has the luxury of being in the Storm system at the moment, and he's been there since 2018, playing 1.5 years of QLD cup, almost being released by Storm in 2019.

What everyone really needs to remember is that Brodie Croft is the key to the emergence of Paps at Storm. Storm persisted with Croft for some time, but when he was out and Jahrome Hughes moved to halfback, the Storm clicked and Paps took his opportunity well. Croft obviously since been traded to Broncos and Hughes has gone from fullback to FT halfback.

Even without Paps, the 3rd-stringer option Nicho Hynes is still a handy footballer.


I reckon Nicho Hynes is the epitome of bog average footballer who is made to excell in the Storm system. I cringe everytime some throws his name up in the signings suggestion thread. I reckon he would be very average in our system.

I reckon he will be a pretty good player, he's shown a fair bit of promise to this point. He's gonna be a bloody big unit when he finishes growing, he'll make a good big-bodied 6 ala Fitter.
Wouldn't mind him at WT.

Umm he's 24 yo unless he undertakes a Sharpies regime you woud think his growing is done..

?I thought he was only 20 or so. He is a big frame all the same, he'll be a solid bloke anyhow.

 

[weststigerman]

What I want to know is how did we let Luke O'Donnell and John Morris leave? Pathetic.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

What I want to know is how did we let Luke O'Donnell and John Morris leave? Pathetic.

LOD had a few decent years after he left. Morris not so much (or did he retire at WT?)

 

[Tiger5150]

Why are we rehashing this topic? It's done to death. Paps took an equivalent offer from Storm to play under Slater and Bellamy, and to get out from behind Tedesco. He is quoted directly about this decision. Tigers matched the Storm offer and Paps decided to leave.

Whatever the exact and most important reasons that he left, it cannot be argued that Tigers had a million-dollar offer on the games' emerging #1 fullback. It also cannot be argued that Storm have and continue to have now the games' most influential (a) player and (b) coach.

Maybe Kelly Egan is/was a complete and utter incompetent moron. Who cares, what more can we do given he's already left the club? Sack him in retrospect? Maybe it would have helped Kelly out if Tigers had the all-time greatest coach going around, to sweeten deals.

No, we must debate this until the end of time.

Mate I'm not even convinced Paps could produce his current form at Tigers. He has the luxury of being in the Storm system at the moment, and he's been there since 2018, playing 1.5 years of QLD cup, almost being released by Storm in 2019.

What everyone really needs to remember is that Brodie Croft is the key to the emergence of Paps at Storm. Storm persisted with Croft for some time, but when he was out and Jahrome Hughes moved to halfback, the Storm clicked and Paps took his opportunity well. Croft obviously since been traded to Broncos and Hughes has gone from fullback to FT halfback.

Even without Paps, the 3rd-stringer option Nicho Hynes is still a handy footballer.


I reckon Nicho Hynes is the epitome of bog average footballer who is made to excell in the Storm system. I cringe everytime some throws his name up in the signings suggestion thread. I reckon he would be very average in our system.

I reckon he will be a pretty good player, he's shown a fair bit of promise to this point. He's gonna be a bloody big unit when he finishes growing, he'll make a good big-bodied 6 ala Fitter.
Wouldn't mind him at WT.

Umm he's 24 yo unless he undertakes a Sharpies regime you woud think his growing is done..

?I thought he was only 20 or so. He is a big frame all the same, he'll be a solid bloke anyhow.

Never considered him big, pretty slight in my opinion. One of these players where you wonder if he was that good, what has he been doing for the last 5-6 years? A very late bloomer.

Another thing I think with Hynes is that he benefits from what I call the "Sharon Woods" effect. He looks a certain way, or a bit different to average with long hair and you notice him. I dont think Hynes is, but I actually think that some players do this intentionally (I reckon Woods did), have something visually different like long hair, big beard etc to get noticed and stand out.

 

[Russell]

Well Mitchell and Papenhuyzen are pretty average players. Try again.

That's two players mate. I just showed you, with no effort, 13 junior POTYs, of whom about 4 maybe 5 had decent but not stellar NRL FG careers. Tom Starling is still to be decided as he's young, and anyway he's at Raiders, not the Knights where he began.

You can cherry-pick any young kid from any rep side and try to make an argument for "why club X should have kept Player Y", but that's a stupid argument and ignores any of the real-life complexities about prioritising and retaining junior players.

Did you know Robert Jennings made an NYC team of the year whilst at the Pamfers..

They let him slipaway

I know Geo - and they have been celebrating ever since.

 

[Russell]

Why are we rehashing this topic? It's done to death. Paps took an equivalent offer from Storm to play under Slater and Bellamy, and to get out from behind Tedesco. He is quoted directly about this decision. Tigers matched the Storm offer and Paps decided to leave.

Whatever the exact and most important reasons that he left, it cannot be argued that Tigers had a million-dollar offer on the games' emerging #1 fullback. It also cannot be argued that Storm have and continue to have now the games' most influential (a) player and (b) coach.

Maybe Kelly Egan is/was a complete and utter incompetent moron. Who cares, what more can we do given he's already left the club? Sack him in retrospect? Maybe it would have helped Kelly out if Tigers had the all-time greatest coach going around, to sweeten deals.

No, we must debate this until the end of time.

Mate I'm not even convinced Paps could produce his current form at Tigers. He has the luxury of being in the Storm system at the moment, and he's been there since 2018, playing 1.5 years of QLD cup, almost being released by Storm in 2019.

What everyone really needs to remember is that Brodie Croft is the key to the emergence of Paps at Storm. Storm persisted with Croft for some time, but when he was out and Jahrome Hughes moved to halfback, the Storm clicked and Paps took his opportunity well. Croft obviously since been traded to Broncos and Hughes has gone from fullback to FT halfback.

Even without Paps, the 3rd-stringer option Nicho Hynes is still a handy footballer.


I reckon Nicho Hynes is the epitome of bog average footballer who is made to excell in the Storm system. I cringe everytime some throws his name up in the signings suggestion thread. I reckon he would be very average in our system.

Maybe, but better than Cory Allen that some have suggested.

 

[tig_prmz]

One person isn't possible for our issues. It's not the fault of Cleary, JP, Farah, Benji, Madge, Marina Go, Egan, etc ec etc.

It's a collective failure.

What we should have done is make sure our back up fullback was sewn up. We let Tedesco go out into the open market by not signing him before Nov 1. It's not one person's fault. The whole organisation needs to look at the way things are done. Who we want to re-sign for 2022 should be a priority. If by now we don't know how most of our squad will go in 2021, it's too late.